Originally posted by Enzeru
I know about all of that and in the end of the day it's still as hypocritical as it gets.You're dismissing stuff the Hulk has done, while DCnU Superman benchpresses the Earth for 5 days on ONE occasion, which screams PIS and it's the new standard for the character, which puts him above Marvel characters like Thor and Hulk, who have so much more feats - and for the most part better feats.
I say that Superman may have the strength to benchpress the planet, but he never uses that in fight to end fights quickly by overpowering his opponents and therefore saving lives and avoiding property damage and on top of that multiple occasions in comics have stated that his punches cause mountain level destruction - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.
I ask for a lower stand for Superman and to ignore the Earth benchpress showing, because it's an out of the norm showing for the character - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.
I say that we should consider Hulk's over the top feats as still viablue for the character, if he fights at his best and you tell me to take a look at the rules, which also state that we should take the norm of characters into consideration and not some kind of a once in a life time showing alá Spider-Man beats Firelord.
I say that Thor, who has tanked attacks from Thanos, Void, Glory, Skyfathers, Celestials and Galactus - can easily tank everything Superman can dish out ... and people on this board simply walk away from a debate, but rather try to school me with useless nonsense.
You know what - This entire board can **** itself. You all deserve each other. I'm out.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm not baiting anyone. I'm calling hypocritical people stupid and that's called confronting someone with the painful truth.
Right on, brother!
You have so many posters here, you start flaming Carver9 in every Hulk thread he posts........and in the end of the day no one is still willing to listen to him, because... uhm, yeah why? You tell me.
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Well, Enzeru was sure entertaining. If he wants to debate feats I'm up for it if he comes back.....and doesn't get himself banned the way he's going.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, that's your opinion. Hulk has done some insane crap...over the top stuff. Superman pushing War World doesn't change what I did or said.
I know how you like to downplay the Warworld instance. How you argued it somehow proved Superman doesn't have dynamic strength(like anybody was arguing his powers are truly limitless as long as he has the right mindset) while either leaving-out or being unaware that it was far more than planet moving.
But hey, how about I show you what Superman was doing before the Sun-Dip?
We all know Imperiex Probes were stronger than most Top-Tiers. So we know Imperiex Prime himself/itself would be far beyond them in strength. Here, around the end of time, Brainiac-13 one-shot one by stepping on it. And was fighting Imperiex Prime hand-to-hand.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Brainiac-13/Time_Stream_Fight
Now flash back to the present, when Brainiac-13 was connected to Warworld, and had taken Imperiex Prime's energy. He talks about the power of Imperiex is now his own. This can either be taken as he's added Imperiex Prime's power on top of his, or he's merely using it as an energy source to enhance his own power. Either way, he'd be immensely powerful. And Superman still matches him in strength, for a little while before he decides to go into the Sun.
So.....he did this before a Sun-Dip so great he was emitting plasma.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Well, Enzeru was sure entertaining. If he wants to debate feats I'm up for it if he comes back.....and doesn't get himself banned the way he's going.I know how you like to downplay the Warworld instance. How you argued it somehow proved Superman doesn't have dynamic strength(like anybody was arguing his powers are truly limitless as long as he has the right mindset) while either leaving-out or being unaware that it was far more than planet moving.
But hey, how about I show you what Superman was doing before the Sun-Dip?
We all know Imperiex Probes were stronger than most Top-Tiers. So we know Imperiex Prime himself/itself would be far beyond them in strength. Here, around the end of time, Brainiac-13 one-shot one by stepping on it. And was fighting Imperiex Prime hand-to-hand.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Brainiac-13/Time_Stream_Fight
Now flash back to the present, when Brainiac-13 was connected to Warworld, and had taken Imperiex Prime's energy. He talks about the power of Imperiex is now his own. This can either be taken as he's added Imperiex Prime's power on top of his, or he's merely using it as an energy source to enhance his own power. Either way, he'd be immensely powerful. And Superman still matches him in strength, for a little while before he decides to go into the Sun.
So.....he did this before a Sun-Dip so great he was emitting plasma.
Uummmm, where is the matching? I'm seeing Superman and Brainiac holding each other while talking but I'm not seeing anyone matching each other.
Now THIS is matching AND overpowering. You see this handsome old guy right here. Well, he is the Elder of the freaking Universe. Not only does he match his strength, Hulk overpowers him. Then he grab the gem and throws it to the core of the planet.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkPressing10248.jpg.html
That's overpowering...not what you showed me. Again, no one is saying that Superman is weak because he isn't and the rest, I'm not even going to respond to it but I do know one thing, Savage Hulk has fts that match Superman strength fts and he is one of the weaker Hulks, weaker than majority on that list. Anyone above him should steam roll Superman, especially WWH and WBH but again, that's my opinion.
Originally posted by carver9
Uummmm, where is the matching? I'm seeing Superman and Brainiac holding each other while talking but I'm not seeing anyone matching each other.Now THIS is matching AND overpowering. You see this handsome old guy right here. Well, he is the Elder of the freaking Universe. Not only does he match his strength, Hulk overpowers him. Then he grab the gem and throws it to the core of the planet.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkPressing10248.jpg.html
That's overpowering...not what you showed me. Again, no one is saying that Superman is weak because he isn't and the rest, I'm not even going to respond to it but I do know one thing, Savage Hulk has fts that match Superman strength fts and he is one of the weaker Hulks, weaker than majority on that list. Anyone above him should steam roll Superman, especially WWH and WBH but again, that's my opinion.
Now either you need glasses, or you're blatantly ignoring what's on-panel to support your argument. Pr pointed-out what's going on. The first scan is the actual strength matching, the rest is to give a rough time frame.
And.....you're arguing an Elder who puts his obsession into growing roses is a better example than Superman matching an amped B13 who without the amp matched Imperiex Prime hand-to-hand?
And you're not going to respond to the rest? What? The rest was me establishing what Brainiac-13 has done and talking about his amp. Did you even read what I wrote dude, or did you just skim it?
By the way, you broke your promise. 😒
Originally posted by Delta1938
Now either you need glasses, or you're blatantly ignoring what's on-panel to support your argument. Pr pointed-out what's going on. The first scan is the actual strength matching, the rest is to give a rough time frame.And.....you're arguing an Elder who puts his obsession into growing roses is a better example than Superman matching an amped B13 who without the amp matched Imperiex Prime hand-to-hand?
And you're not going to respond to the rest? What? The rest was me establishing what Brainiac-13 has done and talking about his amp. Did you even read what I wrote dude, or did you just skim it?
By the way, you broke your promise. 😒
Please read above. It's an elder of the Universe and he got overpowered and slapped like an insect. That's a better showing than what you provided imo.
Lol...I fell asleep playing poker. If I don't send you a friend request by the end of this week, Bada can ban me for a month.
Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but I'm not seeing struggle between either and this doesn't include both of them being connected via the tubes. There is obviously more going on during that scene other than two people trying to overpower the other.
Ya know, you're doing what Bada stated he'd start giving warnings for. Dismissing feats and showings via nitpicking without any actual evidence to back your dismissal. Between this and broken promises, I'm tempted to report you..... 😠
Originally posted by Delta1938
Ya know, you're doing what Bada stated he'd start giving warnings for. Dismissing feats and showings via nitpicking without any actual evidence to back your dismissal. Between this and broken promises, I'm tempted to report you..... 😠
Lol...I'm not dismissing fts. How about we get off of this topic. Agree to disagree.
Originally posted by carver9
Please read above. It's an elder of the Universe and he got overpowered and slapped like an insect. That's a better showing than what you provided imo.Lol...I fell asleep playing poker. If I don't send you a friend request by the end of this week, Bada can ban me for a month.
You would have to prove that Gardner is on a strength level greater than Imperiex Prime. Brainiac-13 matched Imperiex in hand-to-hand, and when Superman locked-up with him, B13 was amped from his connection to Warworld, its connection to Apokolips and the energy he took from Imperiex Prime(whether stacking Imperiex's stats to his own, or simply enhancing his own via Imperiex Prime's energy). I already gave some examples to establish the two. You've given nothing other than Gardner is an Elder Of The Universe. And not one who obsesses in something combat related.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I'm not dismissing fts. How about we get off of this topic. Agree to disagree.
Look above.
Why discuss this Delta when you're going to angry if I don't see things the way you do? Hercules has High Herald level strength, well, Savage Hulk flexed his muscles and free himself from Hercules grip (again, with a flex).
Originally posted by carver9
Why discuss this Delta when you're going to angry if I don't see things the way you do?
Whoever said I was getting angry? 😕
Originally posted by carver9
[B]Hercules has High Herald level strength, well, Savage Hulk flexed his muscles and free himself from Hercules grip (again, with a flex).
Yeah, 'cuz he's overpowering Hercules' strength as opposed to throwing his weight off? Unless you can provide evidence that it was the writer's intent to be overcoming Hercules' strength? Hercules shows surprise, but the dialogue doesn't indicate it to be what you're arguing.
And.....this is a dodge of my prior post.
Originally posted by Delta1938That was an Imperiex Probe Brainiac was fighting.
Well, Enzeru was sure entertaining. If he wants to debate feats I'm up for it if he comes back.....and doesn't get himself banned the way he's going.I know how you like to downplay the Warworld instance. How you argued it somehow proved Superman doesn't have dynamic strength(like anybody was arguing his powers are truly limitless as long as he has the right mindset) while either leaving-out or being unaware that it was far more than planet moving.
But hey, how about I show you what Superman was doing before the Sun-Dip?
We all know Imperiex Probes were stronger than most Top-Tiers. So we know Imperiex Prime himself/itself would be far beyond them in strength. Here, around the end of time, Brainiac-13 one-shot one by stepping on it. And was fighting Imperiex Prime hand-to-hand.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Brainiac-13/Time_Stream_Fight
Now flash back to the present, when Brainiac-13 was connected to Warworld, and had taken Imperiex Prime's energy. He talks about the power of Imperiex is now his own. This can either be taken as he's added Imperiex Prime's power on top of his, or he's merely using it as an energy source to enhance his own power. Either way, he'd be immensely powerful. And Superman still matches him in strength, for a little while before he decides to go into the Sun.
So.....he did this before a Sun-Dip so great he was emitting plasma.
