Superman Runs The Marvel Gauntlet

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what strength feats ?

You don't understand what ferocity means. You are ignoring the definition and trying to change what it is I said with something irrelevant to the word.

He gets hurt all the time. Thing is when he does he can't heal like the Hulk can. Greater healing properties. Another massive advantage for the Hulk.

You REALLY are arguing that the Hulk is stronger than Superman at default?

Stop it.

Let us see what the Hulk experts say.

The Heal can heal from the massive concussion he receives from being knocked out!

Don't see how Hulk > Superman in portrayals.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You REALLY are arguing that the Hulk is stronger than Superman at default?

Stop it.

Let us see what the Hulk experts say.

The Heal can heal from the massive concussion he receives from being knocked out!

You avoided the actual word ferocious.

This is my opinion. I don't speak for anyone else
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This Hulk will kill him IMO. He was on another level.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Don't see how Hulk > Superman in portrayals.

Quan doesn't require facts to make an argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. Definitely.

You avoided the actual word ferocious.

This is my opinion. I don't speak for anyone else
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This Hulk will kill him IMO. He was on another level.

An unrestrained Superman is "Ferocious" enough to crush any Hulk.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Quan doesn't require facts to make an argument.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
An unrestrained Superman is "Ferocious" enough to crush any Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so. Even a slightly restrained WB Hulk was doing massive damage to the eastern seaboard just by walking around and releasing his energy.

BAH!

On DC Earth the dials go up to 11!

This counts for the Eastern seaboard as well.

If WB Hulk were in Metropolis, he would've caused a small rumble, akin to a subway approaching the station.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
BAH!

On DC Earth the dials go up to 11!

This counts for the Eastern seaboard as well.

If WB Hulk were in Metropolis, he would've caused a small rumble, akin to a subway approaching the station.

Superman never started tearing up massive chunks of land by simply walking around to my knowledge.

You're being silly. My points are based on evidence. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman never started tearing up massive chunks of land by simply walking around to my knowledge.

Unlike Banner, Superman has the ability to hold all that power within through discipline.

When it is time to be unleashed the power flows.

For instance when green behemoths start mouthing off and need to be put down.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Unlike Banner, Superman has the ability to hold all that power within through discipline.

When it is time to be unleashed the power flows.

For instance when green behemoths start mouthing off and need to be put down.

Not in the same manner as HOTM Hulk.

Superman had nightmares when he faced a green behemoth. Evidence.

Theres no evidence given that proves Superman can take a footstep forward and almost destroy the eastern seaboard. Not a stomp but a casual foot step. You know, the ones he takes almost every day inside of buildings and on trains and walking through his house. WBH strength in his right leg poops on the strength in Supermans entire body.

Originally posted by carver9
Theres no evidence given that proves Superman can take a footstep forward and almost destroy the eastern seaboard. Not a stomp but a casual foot step. You know, the ones he takes almost every day inside of buildings and on trains and walking through his house. WBH strength in his right leg poops on the strength in Supermans entire body.

DC terra firma is a lot more durable than the flimsy ground of Marvel Earth and the puff pastry of the Dark dimension!

This is canon!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
DC terra firma is a lot more durable than the flimsy ground of Marvel Earth and the puff pastry of the Dark dimension!

This is canon!

Lol.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Like I said it could have just been the Probe flying. Indicated by the other Probe never being seen again. Indicated by the words backing up their only being one Probe.

I still fail to see how that indicates Imperiex Prime grew out of the Probe though. There could have been hundreds of Probes, that's utterly meaningless if you can't prove Imperiex was actually there.

Waverider states how B13 remade the "fabric of the universe" in his image. Nothing indicates there were Probes around, and based on Waverider's statement, it looks YJ was followed through time. Not that there were Imperiex Probes around they stumbled across them.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because alternate futures don't give a shit.

That's not answering the question.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Typo

Either way:
If he'd done it with a slap, that'd be one thing.
- Delta1938
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Missed the panel with Superman right by his hand when I looked at the issue yesterday. I thought it was an energy blast based on the explosion through the building.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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Not sure what these have to do since they don't contradict what I wrote nor have anything to do with the point I made in the first place.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Superman caught a punch at like the end of Brainiac's punch that came nowhere near his face. And then he got knocked away at the end of it. End fight. How that proves Superman was stronger is anyone's guess.

What does it being away from his face have to do with anything? And yeah, he got knocked away from a double handed attack.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's nice and all, but I'm just trying to pin down what you could have possibly been talking about since Superman didn't look better than Brainiac in any of their fights in that arc.

I was referring to pure strength, and a punch catch is a sign of superiority in that department. Nowhere did I argue Superman against Brainiac-13's overall power. Only one example(apparently you think this isn't normal B13 based on your prior comment) was a superior showing on what I specifically argued. Everything else was either inconclusive or irrelevant.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I know it was a sucker punch, but that fight again didn't show Superman being stronger.

Which I never argued that example.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Basically, you want to use one panel of Superman catching a punch that ended in him getting smacked away to try and paint a picture of how superior Superman was.

In the one aspect I was arguing, strength, yes, as I pointed-out, everything you used was either inconclusive or irrelevant(barring the example you think is abnormal) to my point.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I bet if Superman would have landed a shot that knocked Brainiac away he would have been heralded as way stronger.

No, I would not. I've never argued that Superman's stronger than Lobo or Orion based on Supes knocking Lobo into orbit or Orion part way across the continent. This looks to me like a discrediting tactic, instead of going against my argument itself. I would ask you kindly not to resort to stuff like that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
In four fights where Superman doesn't look so hot in any of them, one panel is the deciding factor apparently.

I was rather sleep deprived yesterday and I know I could've done a better job of making my argument instead of you thinking I claimed Superman consistently was showing superiority over B13 everywhere.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I literally just said that.

But Superman was not in that state of mind when he encountered Brainiac, or all throughout the series. As indicated by even after the Doomsday teamup he got his arm broken by a Probe. That was a one issue mindset.

You claimed Superman's powers don't jump "that much" without a power-up. What do you think going to powerless and somewhat superhuman to fighting Orion levels would be? A small jump?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It doesn't help your argument that it happened by Superman's own words. Unless you think the fight that was purely physical had the Probe bust out an arm breaking beam.

What by "Superman's own words?" That he said a broken arm is the first thing he felt all day? Unless you think it happened quickly and almost immediately before the scene, I'm not seeing what that's arguing.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But yes, go on and tell me how two Probes means Imperiex was there.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And how Superman beating up Probes easier in one issue means he could match Imperiex + Brainiac's power. Among other things that I'm seeing huge leaps in logic in

Basically, imagine you are right in your assertions. Now actually tie that together in why that means why you think it does. Why would Superman crushing Probes mean he could stalemate Imperiex plus for example. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually it was simply one example of Superman having a big leap in power, and I never argued it WAS B13 and Imperiex Prime stacked, simply that it was one possibility. You're assuming I argued it was stacked.

Originally posted by carver9
Theres no evidence given that proves Superman can take a footstep forward and almost destroy the eastern seaboard. Not a stomp but a casual foot step. You know, the ones he takes almost every day inside of buildings and on trains and walking through his house. WBH strength in his right leg poops on the strength in Supermans entire body.

Saying Superman doesn't threaten Earth with his every footstep is a dishonest argument, Carter. I expected better from you.

And do you really want to get into a comparing feats with Superman?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Saying Superman doesn't threaten Earth with his every footstep is a dishonest argument, Carter. I expected better from you.

And do you really want to get into a comparing feats with Superman?

Nothing dishonest about it. Hulk had enough power in his right leg to take a single FOOTSTEP and nearly take out the eastern seaboard. There is no denying this. During that instance, Hulk was the embodiment of pure power...power that Superman just doesn't understand. Just like Hulk said, a stomp would have cracked the planet in half...which again is beyond Superman.

Lol...I know of Superman fts and there isnt a single ft that suggest he can take a WALK (I don't even have to use a step) through the park and threaten a freaking continent.

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing dishonest about it. Hulk had enough power in his right leg to take a single FOOTSTEP and nearly take out the eastern seaboard. There is no denying this. During that instance, Hulk was the embodiment of pure power...power that Superman just doesn't understand. Just like Hulk said, a stomp would have cracked the planet in half...which again is beyond Superman.

Lol...I know of Superman fts and there isnt a single ft that suggest he can take a WALK (I don't even have to use a step) through the park and threaten a freaking continent.

It's dishonest because writers typically don't have shit like that happen. That's why Silver Surfer or GL can bust Planet X with their energy blasts but an all-out blast on Earth won't have any serious consequences. And Superman's feats exceed Hulk's. The fact that you write the way you are shows you don't want to get into this. Just like you avoided the Superman's dynamic strength thing once you realized how bad it was for you, or you dropped-out of telling why Hulk locking-up with Gardner was supposed to be impressive beyond "He's an Elder Of The Universe."

By the way, I'm still waiting on that friend request. Maybe I'll have Bada ban you for a month like you said. I'm sure Pr and Bada wouldn't object. 😄

Originally posted by Delta1938
It's dishonest because writers typically don't have shit like that happen. That's why Silver Surfer or GL can bust Planet X with their energy blasts but an all-out blast on Earth won't have any serious consequences. And Superman's feats exceed Hulk's. The fact that you write the way you are shows you don't want to get into this. Just like you avoided the Superman's dynamic strength thing once you realized how bad it was for you, or you dropped-out of telling why Hulk locking-up with Gardner was supposed to be impressive beyond "He's an Elder Of The Universe."

By the way, I'm still waiting on that friend request. Maybe I'll have Bada ban you for a month like you said. I'm sure Pr and Bada wouldn't object. 😄

If it happened one time, you'll probably have an argument, 'but', it happened 4 times, probably more, just cant remember off hand. If Silver Surfer destroy numerous of planets back to back, ongoing, then yeah, I would probably agree with you. If, by any chance, every time Surfer made an appearance and caused continental destruction or wrecked a planet with a punch, then you'll have an argument but we both know that isn't the case. Every time WBH showed up, we knew what to expect. This power was consistent, ongoing, so that alone destroys your argument. Kind of like Ultraman. As of right now we know that he is at a moon pushing, busting Heralds face level but if something was to change... if the consistency of his power level was to hinder and we have Supergirl challenging him, Captain Marvel beating him, etc, etc... then we can challenge the consistency of his showing and have a proper setting for his power level just like we do for WBH and WWH, etc...

The expectations for WBH is already there and we know that Superman, with all of his showings can not perform what WBH did with a daily walk through the park, let alone a stomp or a footstep. Like I've said before, there is no denying this. Hulk is just on another level. Also, you can think Superman is stronger all you want buddy but I'm pretty sure a lot of people on the board thinks otherwise. Hulk is strength, just how it is.

Also, check your PM.

I haven't read through the last few pages but a hearty lol to base Superman overpowering WBH... Especially "casually"