Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It seems that no one is willing to actually argue for the 501st anymore, so the NJO (my side) wins!
Yes, because that's obviously how it works.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
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Well, it's good to have a goal. Another few years of trying might give you a chance to be better than somebody, at least!
NO U!!!
It seems that you guys forgot that there is a place called The Battle Bar #2. Or an even bigger place called The Off Topic Forum. I mean seriously: the same people all the sudden bust in and COMPLETELY forget about talking about the topic! At least ALSO talk just as much about the topic, or else you minus well go to the OT forum.
We ignore it 'cuz it's [and by extension you're] dumb.
And you've yet to rebut TJ.
And you just launched a massive ad hominem against Slash- what does it matter to his point calling you out about the criteria for "victory" that he's sometimes off topic? I mean, his failure to help elsewhere isn't relevant here, where he is helping. Either you're being intentionally inflammatory or are bad at this.
Originally posted by Red NemesisAnd you just launched a massive ad hominem against Slash- what does it matter to his point calling you out about the criteria for "victory" that he's sometimes off topic? I mean, his failure to help elsewhere isn't relevant here, where he is helping. Either you're being intentionally inflammatory or are bad at this.
First of all, I never even mentioned Slash until he responded to my post, and then I in turned responded to his post. And sometimes off topic? If you're going to be off topic, at least also talk just as much about the ACTUAL TOPIC!
So please, what is your opinion on who wins and why?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It seems that you guys forgot that there is a place called The Battle Bar #2. Or an even bigger place called The Off Topic Forum. I mean seriously: the same people all the sudden bust in and COMPLETELY forget about talking about the topic! At least ALSO talk just as much about the topic, or else you minus well go to the OT forum.
YOU get back on topic and rebut my post.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
where he is helping.
*Gasp*
Is that, a compliment... from you?!
Holy print screen.
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And yes noez, you actually were on my ignore list for a while because your constant whining, stupid remarks and begging other people to answer the topic were making my head hurt.
But at least we don't spam every freakin topic on the page just to have our ending name on the entire page.
Originally posted by truejedi
The reason he could take the CIS doesn't fit these circumstances. And i never said the entire CIS, with all of its droids: the thread asked if he could beat all the regular battle droids. THAT is what i said he could do.
Since battle droids make up the majority of the droid forces of the CIS, that's still almost a quadrillion battle droids he's facing. Do you realize how big a quadrillion is? A quadrillion ANTS would be able to beat Luke...well, maybe not, but a quadrillion dogs certainly could. Even if Luke were to kill 20 battle droids every second and all of the droids were to stand there and do nothing, it would still take countless LIFETIMES for him to kill all almost quadrillion battle droids.
And almost a quadrillion battle droids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 501st legion. It would require for each 501st trooper to kill about 100 billion battle droids.
Originally posted by truejediHe could beat the droids by cloaking himself and then taking them out one by one with the force. Since he is the only combatant, they wouldn't even know where to shoot at. In a battle with the stormtroopers, luke would find it necessary to try to protect his other Jedi, and he would have to reveal himself to do that.
See above. It would take countless lifetimes for him to succeed.
Originally posted by truejedi
It was pretty much a fair fight. They followed him into a building, he tried to run, they threw grenades at him, he pushed some of them back, couldn't block them all, and died.You said a battle, you didn't say the Jedi go and hide. This isn't the 501st hunting the Jedi, it is the Jedi and 501st fighting.
If the Jedi go and hide, and the 501st divides up to hunt them down, then yes, the jedi win, but the 501st is under no obligation to hunt anyone down.
The jedi go and hide, the 501st just wait. They haven't lost a fight at that point. The Jedi are under the same time-constraints as the 501st.
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By hide it mean hide and launch hit and run attacks. And assuming that we don't put on any time-constraints, the jedi could very well win by hiding. The 501st just wait for the jedi. Eventually, the clones would die first due to their growth acceleration and inability to produce offspring due to them being all male. It sounds silly I know, but it works.
Originally posted by truejediThis is a TINY jedi order compared to what we saw in the PT. The number are overwhelming. See, even if a trooper fires and misses, his shot might hit another jedi. The firepower the 501st could turn on the Jedi in an open-field fight would just be overwhelming. If i were the 501st commander,i would take some hostages, i would find an open field, park the 501st, and send out word that hostages would be killed every hour till the Jedi come to take them from me. Then when they attacked, i'd mow them down.
Dude the 501st aren't heartless monsters, they simply obey orders. It has been stated that clones were trained to be polite, so unless if Vader or someone is commanding them they won't do that, nor would the jedi fall for it.
And the numbers aren't as lopsided as you think. Each jedi would have to take about 50 troops, but it doesn't have to be all at once. I could imagine them leading the clones into a city, and then using the force to collapse the (very big) skyscrapers, thus killing hundreds, maybe even thousands of clones at once.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That was... a startlingly poor showing.The Jedi wouldn't fall for it? They'd let innocents be killed every hour of every day for months?
And: Civil to non-military ≠ Bound by our Geneva convention
OK, so maybe they'll fall for it. But can you respond to the rest of the (more important) stuff:
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Since battle droids make up the majority of the droid forces of the CIS, that's still almost a quadrillion battle droids he's facing. Do you realize how big a quadrillion is? A quadrillion ANTS would be able to beat Luke...well, maybe not, but a quadrillion dogs certainly could. Even if Luke were to kill 20 battle droids every second and all of the droids were to stand there and do nothing, it would still take countless LIFETIMES for him to kill all almost quadrillion battle droids.And almost a quadrillion battle droids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 501st legion. It would require for each 501st trooper to kill about 100 billion battle droids.
See above. It would take countless lifetimes for him to succeed.
By hide it mean hide and launch hit and run attacks. And assuming that we don't put on any time-constraints, the jedi could very well win by hiding. The 501st just wait for the jedi. Eventually, the clones would die first due to their growth acceleration and inability to produce offspring due to them being all male. It sounds silly I know, but it works.
Dude the 501st aren't heartless monsters, they simply obey orders. It has been stated that clones were trained to be polite, so unless if Vader or someone is commanding them they won't do that, nor would the jedi fall for it.
And the numbers aren't as lopsided as you think. Each jedi would have to take about 50 troops, but it doesn't have to be all at once. I could imagine them leading the clones into a city, and then using the force to collapse the (very big) skyscrapers, thus killing hundreds, maybe even thousands of clones at once.
Thanks.