Originally posted by Gideon
"He managed to avoid dying at the hands of [Maul]" =/= "he managed to survive without being killed."And the entire point of me saying that was to insinuate that Obi-Wan simply avoided death, and did not "match" Maul.
Thats not what I asked you... I asked you if that same sentence you used could be used to describe any duel in the history of star wars. Very simple and yet you keep avoiding it because you know how silly that description was of the fight.
KuRuPT Thanosi
Thats not what I asked you... I asked you if that same sentence you used could be used to describe any duel in the history of star wars. Very simple and yet you keep avoiding it because you know how silly that description was of the fight.
Why should I answer a question in which you can't quote me correctly? Your question is based off of a misquote.
Learn to read and reframe your question and I might find the time to answer it.
It takes a particularly skilled fvck up to say something as asinine as "he managed to survive without being killed."
Congratulations. 😉
Originally posted by Gideon
Why should I answer a question in which you can't quote me correctly? Your question is based off of a misquote.Learn to read and reframe your question and I might find the time to answer it.
It takes a particularly skilled fvck up to say something as asinine as "he managed to survive without being killed."
Congratulations. 😉
Ut oooooo look at Gideon squirm haha. Can't be honest can you. You have to hide behind me not quoting you exactly and thus won't answer the question haha. Your letting down your butt buddy Mr. Beef.
I said VERY CLEARLY... I said, use your exact quote and tell me if your sentence couldn't be used to describe any saber duel in history. I was very clear and said use your exact quote. Yet you have to avoid the question because of how stupid a description is was.
Thanks for playing and concession accepted.
Originally posted by Lord LucienEpic Song 0:23 for you Lucien.
I play fun games. I'm bad at being uncool.
Originally posted by Gideon
Slash, calm the fvck down. Discussing technical skill (which actually requires thought) > LAWL FEET WARZ!And a Jedi abusing their rage is a notorious power booster that has allowed them to briefly overpower combatants who are otherwise more skilled and more powerful than they are.
I am calm. 🙄
Like I said, Cin Drallig got his ass handed to him by a one-handed Anakin, who uses a form of dueling that relies heavily upon power. Actually, it's better to say that Vader killed Cin Drallig instead of Anakin, and Vader is a Dark Sider so he always uses his Dark Side rage in duels. You think that at any other moment after he became a Sith and didn't get delimbed, he would not be a better lightsaber duelist than Cin Drallig?
And somehow, the fact that he is a master of Soresu does not mean jack compared to the likes of Bulq and Bondara.
Why would one master the form of Soresu when it doesn't mean anything? His attack is like a ping pong ball and their attack is like a soccer ball, but Obi-Wan's defense is like a brick wall and its hard to take down a brick wall with a soccer ball. Besides a select few, there aren't a lot of characters who can get through his lightsaber defenses.
EDIT: By the way, I know what you're talking about, but I don't think that's the point of this thread. Sometimes technical skill says more than feats. But in this case the feat directly puts A above B in the ranking, because B was beaten by A with no PIS in a lightsaber duel.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
haha that is what you called owned haha. He didn't disprove anything I said in the least just as I thought he wouldn't. Just more fallacies and pretentious language.
Then, after you've failed at that, point to a response of yours other than 'NO U'. I've saved you some time by compiling all (?) of your posts here- if I find a counterpoint in here I'll let you know. I've read it three times and I haven't found it yet, but I'll keep up hope.
While we're on the topic of what I suspect you thought was an insult, let me make a note (for the records) that your level of vocabulary is juvenile and your command of the English language suspect, as is your level of computer literacy. That you are incapable of using the spell check function provided by KMC speaks to the level of thought invested in your post. It does not say nice things.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just as I said... Gideon is all about Hyperbole and not about feats it seems when it comes to dueling. Guess what kid, feats are the NO.1 criteria in derterming saber dueling. Your no.1 is hyperbole and famed databanks on how is the best lol.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you something about your fallacy....
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Couldn't you say your line for ANY saber duel in the history of the star wars universe your famed.."he managed to survive without being killed" haha lol. I still laugh at that. Obi-Wan like all duels managed to survive but guess what.. he also managed to wtfpwn maul and anakin. Period.
We could not use the line "managed to avoid dying at the hands of [the opponent]" for any given saber duel in the mythos. You seem to be operating under the misconception that the line indicates the final outcome of the match only. It does not. It provides a measure of the difficulty with which [Kenobi] managed to emerge from battle. It illustrates the degree to which he was outclassed. The match between Kenobi and Anakin is one that could not be labeled as such; the novel notes that 'Blade-to-blade, they were identical.' Another such pairing is the one between Mace Windu and Depa during Shatterpoint: the former had been ambushed and struck even before the battle had begun. This did not prevent him from taking the day.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This thread is about duelist... Obi-wan has beat.. Maul, Anakin and Grievous to name some... Now who has Cin and Anoon beat that can compare.. go.. .hurry and don't use your famed hyperbole "well the databanks say they are TH3 B3ST" haha lol. Epic fail.
Maul had been in control of the duel for the entire incident. The Sith lord was dictating the location and pace of the battle throughout, and outmatched him even while Kenobi was tapping into the dark side, which provides a huge boost to Jedi who make that choice. Kenobi won because the plot said he would- Maul had a PIS induced lapse of reaction time. He was not out-dueled by TPM Kenobi.
One could even argue that his performance against Grievous was atypical- he was noted by the then-omniscient narrator to be incapable of defeating even the magnaguards by himself. He was at an unprecedented level of immersion within the Force:
Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting. He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm okay. Using exactly what you said... Couldn't your statement be used to describe every single duel in history? Lets see how honest you'll be.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thats not what I asked you... I asked you if that same sentence you used could be used to describe any duel in the history of star wars. Very simple and yet you keep avoiding it because you know how silly that description was of the fight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ut oooooo look at Gideon squirm haha. Can't be honest can you. You have to hide behind me not quoting you exactly and thus won't answer the question haha. Your letting down your butt buddy Mr. Beef.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I said VERY CLEARLY... I said, use your exact quote and tell me if your sentence couldn't be used to describe any saber duel in history. I was very clear and said use your exact quote. Yet you have to avoid the question because of how stupid a description is was.Thanks for playing and concession accepted.
Your total lack of reading comprehension is not our fault.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted yet again. I love seeing Gideon squirm and hide. Thanks for the laugh.
Originally posted by Slash_KMCWhy would one master the form of Soresu when it doesn't mean anything? His attack is like a ping pong ball and their attack is like a soccer ball, but Obi-Wan's defense is like a brick wall and its hard to take down a brick wall with a soccer ball. Besides a select few, there aren't a lot of characters who can get through his lightsaber defenses.
Mace Windu, ROTS, Pg.
"I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form--or the master of the classic form?"
"I'm very flattered that you would consider me a master, but really--"
"Not a master. The master, " Mace had said." Be who you are, and Grievous will never defeat you."
The onus of that is that Mace's answer to his own question was Kenobi.
Since it was rhetorical, and we get no answer, it hardly counts as a deciding factor, but it can easily be an influencing factor, since it is clear Mace's opinion on the subject.