Even as a vampire, Elena is still annoying. I'm hoping she turns somewhat like Katherine by the end of the season. Damon as usual is the best part f the show. I was impressed by the vampire hunter. He seemed to be actually competent from the get go. Looking forward to finding out about his tattoos. I hope he is part of a bigger group and there's someone even more capable than him. The thing with the lanterns made me cringe. That s**t was whack!
This show is in danger of forgetting its own mythology.
The pencil scene notwithstanding, why is anyone entertaining the idea that Elena could just kill Rebekah? Why did Stefan neglect to mention during his speech to Elena the fact that Rebekah [should] effortlessly annihilate vamp!Elena in 99 out of 100 confrontations by virtue of being miles and miles and miles and miles and miles beyond her?
Between this and the nerfing of Kol and Finn last season, I'm underwhelmed.
IDK man, how did Elena dagger Elijah and Rebekah in previous seasons? My guess is that Elena, being a main character, is entitled to certain character enhancements.
But in actuality, yes Rebekah can wipe the floor with the whole town, and it bothers me when all this time and energy was spent on making the Originals all badass, and they were pretty much toyed with by children to their standards.
Originally posted by AscendancyHiding like they have been for centuries?
Where are the werewolves?
Originally posted by ThorinWooferThere problem was, aside from Finn and Elijah, mentally, they were still children.
IDK man, how did Elena dagger Elijah and Rebekah in previous seasons? My guess is that Elena, being a main character, is entitled to certain character enhancements.But in actuality, yes Rebekah can wipe the floor with the whole town, and it bothers me when all this time and energy was spent on making the Originals all badass, and they were pretty much toyed with by children to their standards.
Originally posted by The_TempestI don't think they believe she could kill Rebekah.
This show is in danger of forgetting its own mythology.The pencil scene notwithstanding, why is anyone entertaining the idea that Elena could just kill Rebekah? Why did Stefan neglect to mention during his speech to Elena the fact that Rebekah [should] effortlessly annihilate vamp!Elena in 99 out of 100 confrontations by virtue of being miles and miles and miles and miles and miles beyond her?
Between this and the nerfing of Kol and Finn last season, I'm underwhelmed.
And how did they nerf Finn and Kol, they were only hurt by surprise attacks. We saw what happened when Kol and Damon faced other with both ready to fight; Damon was left a broken mess. This was with Kol not even wanting to kill Damon, just playing with him.
Originally posted by ThorinWoofer
IDK man, how did Elena dagger Elijah and Rebekah in previous seasons?
Complete and utter element of surprise.
Originally posted by ThorinWoofer
My guess is that Elena, being a main character, is entitled to certain character enhancements.
Dear Lord I hope not. But you may be right.
Originally posted by ThorinWoofer
But in actuality, yes Rebekah can wipe the floor with the whole town, and it bothers me when all this time and energy was spent on making the Originals all badass, and they were pretty much toyed with by children to their standards.
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Originally posted by Mindset
I don't think they believe she could kill Rebekah.
Their argument concerned itself completely with the morality of her decision, not its implausibility. An offhand remark like, "Well, if killing thousands of vampires isn't enough to deter you, there's the fact that she'll effortlessly eviscerate you in all likelihood, so don't try" would have been pleasing.
Originally posted by Mindset
And how did they nerf Finn and Kol, they were only hurt by surprise attacks. We saw what happened when Kol and Damon faced other with both ready to fight; Damon was left a broken mess. This was with Kol not even wanting to kill Damon, just playing with him.
When plotting to kill Finn, the brothers were concerned about Sage rather than Finn himself, who by all rights should be far above Sage and, by extension, the Salvatores. As for Kol, they shouldn't have given him the bat. Let him crush Damon barehanded, it makes the scene much more satisfying and helps to remove all doubt as to which is better.
Originally posted by The_TempestIt didn't need to be said, as the story point was more about her morality than anything else.
Their argument concerned itself completely with the morality of her decision, not its implausibility. An offhand remark like, "Well, if killing thousands of vampires isn't enough to deter you, there's the fact that she'll effortlessly eviscerate you in all likelihood, so don't try" would have been pleasing.When plotting to kill Finn, the brothers were concerned about Sage rather than Finn himself, who by all rights should be far above Sage and, by extension, the Salvatores. As for Kol, they shouldn't have given him the bat. Let him crush Damon barehanded, it makes the scene much more satisfying and helps to remove all doubt as to which is better.
Finn wanted to die, Sage did not want Finn to die.
So there is your explanation right there.
Kol did not need the bat, like I said, he was playing around with Damon. Did you not see him easily send Damon flying across the room with a casual headbutt? If you can't tell who was stronger you just aren't looking. 😬
Originally posted by Mindset
It didn't need to be said, as the story point was more about her morality than anything else.
Sure it did. Especially by Damon, who retardedly gave her the stake to begin with. Isn't pragmatism his department? A clear and obvious flaw in the script.
Originally posted by Mindset
Finn wanted to die, Sage did not want Finn to die.So there is your explanation right there.
Which is why he ran to secure the stake that would kill him and actively resisted their attempts to kill him rather than comply? Another clear and obvious flaw in the script.
Originally posted by Mindset
Kol did not need the bat, like I said, he was playing around with Damon. Did you not see him easily send Damon flying across the room with a casual headbutt? If you can't tell who was stronger you just aren't looking. 😬
Who said I can't tell who's stronger? I said who's stronger should be made as subtle as, well, a baseball bat to the head. Damon punked Kol twice, which was twice too many. And unlike Elijah's deaths, neither of them were completely by surprise.
It didn't need to be said because that was not point. I'm sure neither of them thought she would do it. She couldn't even kill a deer.
OK, let me elaborate. During their planning they were under the assumption Finn wanted to die, or at least that Sage was more of an immediate threat. Again, he was killed due to element of surprise.
It wasn't subtle, Damon was trying to choke him and Kol sent him flying across the room with a headbutt and Damon couldn't get up. The times Damon punked him could both be chalked up to Kol underestimating him. When Kol got more serious we saw the result.
Originally posted by Mindset
It didn't need to be said because that was not point. I'm sure neither of them thought she would do it. She couldn't even kill a deer.
Did she want to kill the deer?
Originally posted by Mindset
OK, let me elaborate. During their planning they were under the assumption Finn wanted to die, or at least that Sage was more of an immediate threat. Again, he was killed due to element of surprise.
Still pretty thin, especially the element of surprise part: Finn knew he and Sage were being attacked and it's not like he didn't see Matt coming.
Originally posted by Mindset
It wasn't subtle, Damon was trying to choke him and Kol sent him flying across the room with a headbutt and Damon couldn't get up. The times Damon punked him could both be chalked up to Kol underestimating him. When Kol got more serious we saw the result.
Might have something to do with the beatdown from the aluminum bat. The bottom line is that when Damon killed Kol, Kol saw him coming and couldn't overpower Damon's bare hands on the ground when we saw Elijah do it with extreme ease.
You might think that it's still apparent and I don't necessarily disagree, but it should be patently obvious in all situations that Damon is pretty much helpless against an Original.
No.
Since when did a single arrow to the stomach sap an Original's powers? Moar nerf-age.
Yes, it did, unless we assume Kol's neck carries more strength in it than Kol swinging an aluminum bat. Kol was pushed off a balcony, yes, but Damon followed and struggled with him for a critical second or three before finishing the job. Plenty of time for Kol to eviscerate Damon.
Also, no, Damon wanted to kill Elijah but failed without Stefan and Elena. I guess when you're that lame, it makes sense why the writers have to invent all sorts of convoluted scenarios for you to be marginally cool.
Originally posted by The_TempestYes.
No.Since when did a single arrow to the stomach sap an Original's powers? Moar nerf-age.
Yes, it did, unless we assume Kol's neck carries more strength in it than Kol swinging an aluminum bat. Kol was pushed off a balcony, yes, but Damon followed and struggled with him for a critical second or three before finishing the job. Plenty of time for Kol to eviscerate Damon.
Also, no, Damon wanted to kill Elijah but failed without Stefan and Elena. I guess when you're that lame, it makes sense why the writers have to invent all sorts of convoluted scenarios for you to be marginally cool.
Since always.
No, it didn't. Hitting him in the head > hitting his arm and leg. Kol was stunned enough to get his neck broken. Because Elijah is an Original.