Exar Kun vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yes, I'm claiming he has a RIDICULOUS amount of feats. Read Gideon's essay. And your response is "show us what he did in fight x"? Wow.

Were aren't talking about what Sidious, throughout all incarnations was capable of, numskull. The only reference's that work are ones from before he fought Yoda, as we don't know how a fight between the two of them would have gone after that point. You what me to go read and essay? You can go read the comics for yourself, big man.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract

Freezing the entire Senate (millions) and killing one of the Order's top Jedi.

Killing the only Jedi to modify the Jedi Code with a mere whim.

Surviving the combined assault of a small Jedi army. (He lost his body, but survival is survival).

Killed Sith wyrm, which is pretty dang powerful.

Killed Freedon Nadd, who was also extremely powerful (Sadow's apprentice, conquered planet, spirit powerful enough to be serious threat even to Jedi Masters)

Invented the double bladed lightsaber and his own style, which was never able to be replicated.

What can you offer for Sidious??? [/B]

This is one of the worst arguments for Kun I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Were aren't talking about what Sidious, throughout all incarnations was capable of, numskull. The only reference's that work are ones from before he fought Yoda, as we don't know how a fight between the two of them would have gone after that point. You what me to go read and essay? You can go read the comics for yourself, big man.

I was talking about Sidious in general, and you brought up the Yoda fight like an idiot. I've read the comics. I've also read many star wars books and Gideon's essay. Kun has nothing on Sidious.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Millions my ass. You and the antediluvians have been peddling that for years. And none of them were force user. And this was replicated by C"Baoth who didn't need a sith spell.

The Senate consisted of multiple members from each planet. There were hundreds of thousands of Republic member worlds at that time. You do the math. C'baoth, who I have been parading as very powerful for years, controlled the crew of one SD, not millions of minds. C'baoth was also rather taxed, Exar killed one of the Order's most powerful members while freezing a far greater number of people.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
OMG he modified the Jedi Code!! He must be awesome!!

Yoda basically worshiped this dude, so SMD.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This is so stupid it doesn't warrant a response.

SMD, yes is does, ass wipe. It took a combined assault by THOUSANDS of Jedi to kill his body.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
With a force assisting amulet.

Which he always has on his person, and is started to have for this fight, genius.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Who was ACTUALLY a pretty powerless spirit.

A spirit who could kill Force Users. Get your facts strait.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Didn't invent it according to JvS

Prove it. Every source I have seen specifically states he did.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This is one of the worst arguments for Kun I've ever seen.

You're an ass. And you make shitty arguments.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I was talking about Sidious in general, and you brought up the Yoda fight like an idiot. I've read the comics. I've also read many star wars books and Gideon's essay. Kun has nothing on Sidious.

Sidious in general has nothing to do with the Sidious Yoda fought. Get back on topic.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sidious in general has nothing to do with the Sidious Yoda fought. Get back on topic.

I never brought up the Yoda Sidious fight you buffoon. You brought it up.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
]The Senate consisted of multiple members from each planet. There were hundreds of thousands of Republic member worlds at that time. You do the math. C'baoth, who I have been parading as very powerful for years, controlled the crew of one SD, not millions of minds. C'baoth was also rather taxed, Exar killed one of the Order's most powerful members while freezing a far greater number of people.

Yoda basically worshiped this dude, so SMD.

SMD, yes is does, ass wipe. It took a combined assault by THOUSANDS of Jedi to kill his body.

Which he always has on his person, and is started to have for this fight, genius.

A spirit who could kill Force Users. Get your facts strait.

Prove it. Every source I have seen specifically states he did.

You're an ass. And you make shitty arguments. [/B]

I've just destroyed yours. Go back to 2006

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Didn't invent it according to JvS

Originally posted by Borbarad
ROFL, Sexy. What a great application of logic that is.

You are aware of the fact that everything said in JvsS refers to the usual DBL design with the extreme long hilt, correct? Kun pretty much built a DBL with a usual length lightsaber hilt - and that, my friend, is a unique weapon design. And he also used a unique style for it just because of that.

And even if you want to assume that he got the design from some other source, that doesn't mean his style can't be unique. If you want to argue that, than Mace Windu couldn't have come up with Vaapad because he didn't invent the lightsaber...

Originally posted by Advent
Thank you, Borbarad. To quell the JvS myth further:

JvS is from Tionne Solusar, NJO historian four millenia after the GSW. She got that info from the Tedyrn Holocron. Since the Tedryn Holocron is a Jedi artifact, a Jedi must've recorded that. No Jedi could know where Kun's design came from & they'd be a fallible source to begin with, much like the narrator already is.

[b]One line from an in-universe, third party source does not retcon anything! An OOU source, the New Essential Chronology to Weaps & Techs, says on pg 74:

"Other lightsaber variants also exist. Darth Maul's signature weapon was a double-bladed lightsaber with an oversize handle. The design for the double-bladed lightsaber originated with the fallen Jedi Exar Kun some four thousand standard years before the Battle of Naboo"

The official databank supports this. Kun developed it on his own. Fact. As for the form: There's no proof that a style was with it or that Kun would even use it. The battery pack's chord was connected to the hilt of the saber during the Exiles' era, therefore restricting movement to an extreme degree. So the Jedi would've had to adapt for that, Kun would not have to with the advancement of modern lightsabers.

This is important to consider since twirling the saber like Kun does would tangle the chord, cut it & cut off power to their lightsaber! So it is safe to assume that even if he didn't create the model (he did), he created an entirely new style. Evidence firmly supports me, your evidence is "Tionne said it, it must be true!". Uh....NAH! 🙄

Not to mention, it states that the imaginary holocron might of came from the Exiles. JvS is not conclusive proof of a retcon when it doesn't even have its facts straight nor does it make sense nor does it have authority over OOU.

[Darth Vader] Search your feelings, you know it to be true! [/Darth Vader] 😉 [/B]

For reference, OOU = Out Of Universe.

Originally posted by Advent
From what I remember, Joruus was bat-shit insane and only thought that he could control a fraction of the number of beings that Kun froze against their will. Those subjects were also willing to let Joruus influence them. That's not close to being "replicated".

For reference, OOU = Out Of Universe.

Ignoring a newer source in favor of another one. Advent, you should be ashamed.

But yes, Tionne, a historian MUST be fallible lol.

And there's a big difference in freezing someone in their tracks, and commanding a few star destroyers to do your bidding.

I'm looking at the Star Wars databank Advent, where does it say that he invented his own blade?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/exarkun/index.html

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Pretty pathetic examples. Try and be more specific next time.

What can you offer for Sidious???

Name something that Kun did to rival Sidious taking on the entire rebel fleet by himself (Note: He would have succeeded if it wasn't for Luke, Leia and her unborn children from using the full power of the lightside to surround Sidious.

Sidious also drained billions of Byss inhabitants of their life force, and turning Byss into one of the most powerful dark side nexus in the galaxy.

Apparently, you need to learn to read. It has nothing to do with it being ignoring newer sources, nitwit. I explained the logic behind it quite clearly:

Originally posted by Advent
JvS is from Tionne Solusar, NJO historian four millenia after the GSW. She got that info from the Tedyrn Holocron. Since the Tedryn Holocron is a Jedi artifact, a Jedi must've recorded that. No Jedi could know where Kun's design came from & they'd be a fallible source to begin with, much like the narrator already is.

One line from an in-universe, third party source does not retcon anything! An OOU source, the New Essential Chronology to Weaps & Techs, says on pg 74:

"Other lightsaber variants also exist. Darth Maul's signature weapon was a double-bladed lightsaber with an oversize handle. The design for the double-bladed lightsaber originated with the fallen Jedi Exar Kun some four thousand standard years before the Battle of Naboo"

The official databank supports this. Kun developed it on his own. Fact.[/B]

For those of us who can read, out-of-universe canon contradicts in-universe beliefs that are heavily flawed by reason. On that basis, the out of universe source takes precedent.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm looking at the Star Wars databank Advent, where does it say that he invented his own blade?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/exarkun/index.html

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm looking at the Star Wars databank Advent, where does it say that he invented his own blade?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/exarkun/index.html

You must be pretty blind: "It should also be noted that Kun was the first to weild a double-bladed lightsaber". So, you are telling me that people who designed the weapon didn't even pick it up? 🙄

And this behind the scenes is part of the database? Who wrote this a 12 year old?

'It should also be noted that Kun was the first to weild a double-bladed lightsaber, beating Darth Maul to the punch by several years."

Wtf is weild?

Originally posted by Advent
You must be pretty blind: "It should also be noted that Kun was the first to weild a double-bladed lightsaber". So, you are telling me that people who designed the weapon didn't even pick it up? 🙄

Ah so you want me to guess why. That's not my job advent. Creator and "wield" are two different things. Stop playing Kun's therapist.

Ok you win Advent, you want me to play the guessing game with you and it just so happens that I love guessing games. So let me try my first guess.

One of the Jedi Exiles had the knowledge to build a double bladed saber, put that knowledge in the holocron, and sometime later decided that alchemically altered sith swords were better.

Tell me if I'm hot or cold.

Stop trolling:

Originally posted by Advent
JvS is from Tionne Solusar, NJO historian four millenia after the GSW. She got that info from the Tedyrn Holocron. Since the Tedryn Holocron is a Jedi artifact, a Jedi must've recorded that. No Jedi could know where Kun's design came from & they'd be a fallible source to begin with, much like the narrator already is.

One line from an in-universe, third party source does not retcon anything! An OOU source, the New Essential Chronology to Weaps & Techs, says on pg 74:

"Other lightsaber variants also exist. Darth Maul's signature weapon was a double-bladed lightsaber with an oversize handle. The design for the double-bladed lightsaber originated with the fallen Jedi Exar Kun some four thousand standard years before the Battle of Naboo"

The official databank supports this. Kun developed it on his own. Fact. As for the form: There's no proof that a style was with it or that Kun would even use it. The battery pack's chord was connected to the hilt of the saber during the Exiles' era, therefore restricting movement to an extreme degree. So the Jedi would've had to adapt for that, Kun would not have to with the advancement of modern lightsabers.

This is important to consider since twirling the saber like Kun does would tangle the chord, cut it & cut off power to their lightsaber! So it is safe to assume that even if he didn't create the model (he did), he created an entirely new style. Evidence firmly supports me, your evidence is "Tionne said it, it must be true!". Uh....NAH! roll eyes (sarcastic)

Not to mention, it states that the imaginary holocron might of came from the Exiles. JvS is not conclusive proof of a retcon when it doesn't even have its facts straight nor does it make sense nor does it have authority over OOU.

Is there any reason you don't seem to be reading the passage provided from an out-of-universe source? Is there any reason why you think finding a typo in the Star Wars data bank disproves...anything?

Originally posted by Advent
Stop trolling:

Is there any reason you don't seem to be reading the passage provided from an out-of-universe source? Is there any reason why you think finding a typo in the Star Wars data bank disproves...anything?

Besides the fact that it doesn't say he created? No not really. I'm downloading this "source" as we speak so I'll get back to you on it.

Originally posted by Advent
Have you ignored KMC for the past three days?

The quotes from tNEC, Vader: Ultimate Guide, Death Star, and Dark Empire Sourcebook are all but nugatory. Care to produce any more of these "many" quotes?

Few things you kind of neglect, Advent:
1. The UTTER hypocrisy of the old Antediluvian route of "No context of power!!!!!" DESPITE your own quote providing...no context of what power means. He
2. This is from 2005. We have plenty since then.
3. You also neglect to mention it's discussing the OLD REPUBLIC ERA THERE, period. There is no 'ever,' no 'in history,' no 'all times,' nothing. It's describing the Sith of that specific era and no other.

Oh, and you know what's rich? Your response to the DE quote is to vaguely complain about how there are things more recent but when a more recent quote from Vader the Ultimate Guide is introduced, you suddenly develop contradictory standards and claim "Oh, well, power doesn't mean!"
Well, I don't see "In The Force" after 'powerful' for your pony tailed prince. Can we say double standards?