Anakin Skywalker (AOTC) vs. Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)
Who will win this duel, eh?
Conditions:
1.) Saber
2.) Force
3.) All Out
What I think:
1.) Luke
2.) Anakin
3.) Luke, but Anakin still has a chance.
My logic is that Luke defeated Vader, who is stronger than Anakin in the Force, but not so much in Saber skills. So what do you think?
Anakin. More control of both the force and a lightsaber. Vader didn't want to kill Luke anyways. Even still, Anakin contended with Dooku and visibly wore him out, as evident by the deep breath after it was over. Luke used no force really in his duel with Vader, saver for a couple jumps and one saber grab.
Vader didn't use the Force in their duel, and if he would have, he should have been able to swat Luke down like a fly.
ROTJ Luke doesn't have more than possibly two months of informal training (with the lowest estimate of time that Luke spent on Dagobah being as little as two weeks). In AOTC, Anakin's proficiency with saber combat had Dooku more hard-pressed than when he was dueling his master Obi-Wan. Luke has done nothing to indicate that he'd be able to beat a young, athletic and agile Jedi like Anakin who has at least a decade of experience and formal apprenticeship under a Jedi Master.
Originally posted by Advent
Vader didn't use the Force in their duel, and if he would have, he should have been able to swat Luke down like a fly.ROTJ Luke doesn't have more than possibly two months of informal training (with the lowest estimate of time that Luke spent on Dagobah being as little as two weeks). In AOTC, Anakin's proficiency with saber combat had Dooku more hard-pressed than when he was dueling his master Obi-Wan. Luke has done nothing to indicate that he'd be able to beat a young, athletic and agile Jedi like Anakin who has at least a decade of experience and formal apprenticeship under a Jedi Master.
Luke had 4 years of unprofessional training.
Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Luke had 4 years of unprofessional training.
Anakin had 10 years under an order that was 20,000+ years old, was at its prime, and under Obi Wan Kenobi, one of the greatest jedi of all time.
But then again, apparently Luke by DE had surpassed ROTS Anakin, so maybe Luke is just a very fast learner.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Anakin had 10 years under an order that was 20,000+ years old, was at its prime, and under Obi Wan Kenobi, one of the greatest jedi of all time.But then again, apparently Luke by DE had surpassed ROTS Anakin, so maybe Luke is just a very fast learner.
What is DE? And Luke and Anakin were the fastest learners of the order.
Originally posted by Anakin4EverBullshit. He didn't know either OB1 or Yoda for 4 years, so who was he learning from for those 4 years? He knew OB1 for like, what, a week before daddy killed him. He wasn't on Degobah nearly that long, so where is that time period being pulled from?
Luke had 4 years of unprofessional training.
Had Anakin not been met with his unfortunate incident on Mustafar, he would have surpassed all other force users, including Luke, as the chosen one. By AoTC, he was already ahead of his peers and was resented by many other of the Jedi, to include some Masters like Mace. (I believe I heard that in the AoTC commentary around the time when Anakin jumps out of the speeder.) Anakin destroys Luke here.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Bullshit. He didn't know either OB1 or Yoda for 4 years, so who was he learning from for those 4 years? He knew OB1 for like, what, a week before daddy killed him. He wasn't on Degobah nearly that long, so where is that time period being pulled from?
By the time of ROTJ, he knew about the Force for 4 years.
How does knowledge about something equate to training in it? So from the second that OB1 explained to him the force in his house, he instantly started training in it? Come now. He had extremely limited and informal training from OB1 right before he died, suffice to say a quick tutorial rather than training. And then he was on Degobah for a couple months training with Yoda in a swamp, and failed almost all his little tests (rocks, x-wing, cave.. hell, his initial "interview"😉 and that somehow translates into 4 years of training?
No sir. You have to prove that he was actually training [himself for that matter] over that time period when he was actively involved with the rebellion. When training yourself with no instruction or holocrons to study, you can only improve on the very limited knowledge that you already know. Nothing compared to what Anakin went through for 10 years, formally.
luke wins all 3 this is no contest for 3 reasons
1) they didnt have cgi and nick gillard back then so you cant take the coreography to mean that all the PT duelists are better than all the OT duelists.
2) luke was also going easy on vader "i will not fight you father" pretty much sais it all
3) anakin is too cocky at the point and luke is calmer and more collected and would easily overwhelm his father,
now if you said rots anakin vs rotj luke, that would be a better and more even fight
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Anakin had 10 years under an order that was 20,000+ years old, was at its prime, and under Obi Wan Kenobi, one of the greatest jedi of all time.But then again, apparently Luke by DE had surpassed ROTS Anakin, so maybe Luke is just a very fast learner.
so did kit fitso, agen kolar, ki adi mundi, adi galia and depa bilaba and mace windu, and look what happened to them
Originally posted by Man of Christ
ok so "hewhoknowsall" was giving the credentials of anakin as if being trained by the jedi order in a formal sense made you more powerful and i was giving examples of jedi who had the same training yet sucked
Uhhhh... so you're saying that Kit, Depa, and Mace suck?????? Because, that's what you just said/typed/whatever.
You have to realize that Luke was trained to be a weapon while Anakin's training was more about diplomacy and learning galactic customs. Luke had maybe a week with Obi-wan, plus two weeks or so with Yoda, and then several months training in Obi-wan's house before rescuing Han.
Regardless of training though, Luke demonstrated some impressive powers. He showed that he can use Force Choke (the Guards when first entering Jabba's palace. His lifting of the X-wing as much as he did it actually extremely impressive. Luke is a powerhouse and we've seen that Jedi trained in different manners can advance far more rapidly than PT Jedi (the NJO and Old Republic Jedi).
Luke wins it.