Originally posted by gogogadgetgoThe lasso always glows. Or haven't you noticed it glowing on her side when she isn't using it.
so the slab of concrete and metal bridge is compelled to speak the truth?
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Originally posted by Zeuodin
You are actually working against your self as it is in her hands. The artist simply didn't feel like drawing it glowing or forgot. It happens. It's comics.
no, you said it "always" glows. in hands, at sides, in a can, out the door, it doesn't make a difference as according to you it "always" glows.
now i show a scan where it aint glowing and you try to make excuses such as "well the artist is lazy"
that is so lame.
admit it, it has never been portrayed as "always" glowing
hence, its glowing and helping wonder woman hold up the bridge.
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Originally posted by gogogadgetgoI'm going to put you on ignore now. I"m sorry. It's obvious you are just looking for any excuse to demean the feats. She even says it takes all of her strength. And I already posted several scans of it glowing while it's on her side. So yeah it always glows. Some artist may just color it very bright to show that it's glowing instead of drawing lines around it. Your sad attempt to demean her feat fails.
no, you said it "always" glows. in hands, at sides, in a can, out the door, it doesn't make a difference as according to you it "always" glows.now i show a scan where it aint glowing and you try to make excuses such as "well the artist is lazy"
that is so lame.
admit it, it has never been portrayed as "always" glowing
hence, its glowing and helping wonder woman hold up the bridge.
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Originally posted by Zeuodin
I'm going to put you on ignore now. I"m sorry. It's obvious you are just looking for any excuse to demean the feats. She even says it takes all of her strength. And I already posted several scans of it glowing while it's on her side. So yeah it always glows. Some artist may just color it very bright to show that it's glowing instead of drawing lines around it. Your sad attempt to demean her feat fails.
no, bright is not the same as glowing. or don't you know what glowing is?
its gold, its shiny, naturally it would be nice and bright. but glowing? it sure aint glowing in my scan so you fail. its not portrayed as always glowing as you claim. your just full of lies
and wonder woman saying it would take all of her strength just proves that she's a lot weaker and she needs the lasso to help lift the bridge.
why without the magic lasso she'd get her arms ripped off
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Originally posted by Zeuodin
If you knew anything about wonder woman at all instead of looking to demean feats you would know that there was a spell cast on the lasso for that feat when they used it to tow the earth. You tried and failed. The only thing the spell did was lesson the strain on the earth. It didn't negate any gravity. They still had to pull with all their might.
If you read what I wrote at all instead of being overly defensive about Wonder Woman, you would know that it was never my point to demean WW's feat. It was to create equal and unbiased selection of admissible feats. Sadly, the DC side of this debate is rife with bias and double standards. All I said is that IF Thor's strength feats in hitting with the hammer wasn't admissible as a strength feat, neither is WW with the lasso for the same reasons.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Before Her second upgrade, she had to use all of her strength to hold up this bridge. This was around the time Superman was also weaker. So it would seem everyone got a down shift to match Superman's. As we can see, the lasso does not and never has negated gravity. the attempt has been thus, derailed. She clearly says this will take every ounce of strength Demeter granted her at birth. Now this was a very low class 100's feat. Probably around Colossus level.
What bridge is that?
Because that really isn't impressive at all.
Hell, in like his second appearance, in a game with Loki, Thor rips up and apart the Golden Gate Bridge effortlessly with what looked like one arm.
It takes every ounce of her strength to hold up a piece of a bridge? Heh.
Originally posted by tideoftimeNo, he didn't state that. Sorry, but your constant bickering is annoying. My point was Thor's lightning can rock her it's rocked the Hulk before.
No, that is not what he directly said, and that is not what I said -- lightening/electrical attacks *do not* "easily" affect her - she is resistant to them, just not *as* resistant as Superman, et al. Diana has on numerous occasions be struck by electrical attacks and not been slowed by them; Amazo always adapts and uses the most effective *application* of an attack against its target(s) (just as a number of panels earlier he had adjusted his heat vision attack against Superman to the red-solar range, thus harming and weakening him), and in this case he no doubt attacked her with a powerful alternating current, which would paralyze as oppose to simply push away (as direct current does).*My Point* to stating that to him was his particular wording was misleading (and no doubt the result of heated discussion); as far as his statement that Diana could easily resist Thor's lightening attacks, it should have been clarified/qualified by saying she would be using her bracers to resist the attacks, which she has often demonstrated against powerful mystic lightening/energy attacks in the past.
Was he "lying"? No, not at all. He merely exaggerated/ made an error in wording. It is not even an entirely inaccurate statement, given the specifics of the "battle" being discussed, but certainly needed to be qualified.
(And as I noted in my statement, which you so *conveniently* left out, my point to making the statement had to due with people (in this case, you) running wild with even the slightest error in wording or exaggeration, as if it somehow negates the other 99% of what has been posted...)
I have stated several times in a couple different threads relating to this, which should conceptually "shut down" most discussion about this: DC's official policy/statement for the past decade, is that Wonder Woman is second in strength only to Superman, putting her on par with Captain Marvel, Black Adam, most kryptonian females (PowerGirl and Supergirl) and similar beings. Does this mean that DC, as a company, is "wrong" about the character they own the rights to and have creative control over? 🙄 Thor can still be stronger than her (and I believe he is -- anyone saying she is as strong or stronger is just being a WW fanboi), but his strength is not *that* much greater than hers (meaning, he could be clearly stronger, but not to the degree that other factors don't mitigate this in terms of combat).
Marvel is also equal to Superman in terms of strength while WW is not. How don't you get this? If WW isn't and Marvel is who is stronger than the other? It doesn't take a leap in logic here I assure you.
Originally posted by manx422Want to try an dprove it?
Superman > Wonder Woman> Thor
Originally posted by ZeuodinThis isn't an impressive feat at all. If this is what you are going to bring to the table you are actually hurting your case.
Before Her second upgrade, she had to use all of her strength to hold up this bridge. This was around the time Superman was also weaker. So it would seem everyone got a down shift to match Superman's. As we can see, the lasso does not and never has negated gravity. the attempt has been thus, derailed. She clearly says this will take every ounce of strength Demeter granted her at birth. Now this was a very low class 100's feat. Probably around Colossus level.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Actually, if I'm fighting someone, and I hit them with a hammer, I hit them much harder. mechanics. Pure and simple. A hammer flying at someone light speed is going to hit harder than a fist. No matter how you slice it. That is why Thor hits harder than Superman anyday. If I'm fighting someone and I have a rope, and I knock them out, and tie a rope to their feat, they remain the same weight. The rope does not lessen the weight.
If you read what I wrote at all instead of being overly defensive about Wonder Woman, you would know that it was never my point to demean WW's feat. It was to create equal and unbiased selection of admissible feats. Sadly, the DC side of this debate is rife with bias and double standards. All I said is that IF Thor's strength feats in hitting with the hammer wasn't admissible as a strength feat, neither is WW with the lasso for the same reasons.
Originally posted by ZeuodinIs it a normal rope?
Actually, if I'm fighting someone, and I hit them with a hammer, I hit them much harder. mechanics. Pure and simple. A hammer flying at someone light speed is going to hit harder than a fist. No matter how you slice it. That is why Thor hits harder than Superman anyday. If I'm fighting someone and I have a rope, and I knock them out, and tie a rope to their feat, they remain the same weight. The rope does not lessen the weight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf you paid at all attention to the debate at hand you would know that it wasn't to show impressiveness. It was to show that the magical lasso does not negate gravity. Which someone was trying to say as to lesson the black hole feat. You would also have known that this was 2 upgrades ago, during the DOS era when everyone was weaker. Hence why she's had two upgrades on paper since then. an fkn hammer will always augment someone's strikes no matter how you slice it. A rope, never will, no matter how you slice it. It's really simple, Superman hits harder when he flies into something. hence him flying and KOing something at faster than light speed is NOT a strength feat. Same thing applies to a hammer. It's mechanics. a rope NEVER enhances strength. neither does a hammer. But a hammer does enhance STRIKING power.
What bridge is that?Because that really isn't impressive at all.
Hell, in like his second appearance, in a game with Loki, Thor rips up and apart the Golden Gate Bridge effortlessly with what looked like one arm.
It takes every ounce of her strength to hold up a piece of a bridge? Heh.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually, if I'm fighting someone, and I hit them with a hammer, I hit them much harder. mechanics. Pure and simple. A hammer flying at someone light speed is going to hit harder than a fist. No matter how you slice it. That is why Thor hits harder than Superman anyday. If I'm fighting someone and I have a rope, and I knock them out, and tie a rope to their feat, they remain the same weight. The rope does not lessen the weight.
A hammer adds damage thru it's strike thru weight and leverage. The fact that it does more damage has a lot to do with how hard a person can swing a hammer, w/c in turn depends a lot with the wielder's strength. It doesn't suddenly make the person being hit any softer.
With the same logic you are using, a person can pull a lot better with a rope than they can with their bare hands. :-/
Originally posted by Zeuodin
If you paid at all attention to the debate at hand you would know that it wasn't to show impressiveness. It was to show that the magical lasso does not negate gravity. Which someone was trying to say as to lesson the black hole feat. You would also have known that this was 2 upgrades ago, during the DOS era when everyone was weaker. Hence why she's had two upgrades on paper since then.
I never said it was. I simply asked you what bridge that was, because that isn't impressive.
Scans of said upgrades, and how much they upgraded her.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Actually no. Or haven't you heard of rope burns? Ropes make pulling harder if you are alone. Ropes are usually used for MULTIPLE people pulling on something. Tell me, if you were in a room with someone who was trying to kill you. And they were just a lil bit weaker than you, would you rather face them with their bare hands or with a sledge hammer?
A hammer adds damage thru it's strike thru weight and leverage. The fact that it does more damage has a lot to do with how hard a person can swing a hammer, w/c in turn depends a lot with the wielder's strength. It doesn't suddenly make the person being hit any softer.With the same logic you are using, a person can pull a lot better with a rope than they can with their bare hands. :-/
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRead her respect thread. She got an upgrade after clay face stole her power. When Donna troy creates a centifuge or how you spell to give her her power back, it augments Diana. it's even shown as she spars with Superman. The next upgrade came after Neron kills her. She is resurrected by the Gods. She gets all Goddess power and stuff. She rejects the immortality and she keeps the strength upgrade. The Bridge only shows that the Lasso Adds NOTHING in the way of strength to Her. It also shows that even at one of her weakest points, she was already at Colossus level. Because the Golden gate bridge with Thousands of Cars on it is already well over 100 tons.
I never said it was. I simply asked you what bridge that was, because that isn't impressive.Scans of said upgrades, and how much they upgraded her.
