Originally posted by Endless MikeUnless they want to be. Unless they will it be.
So no real refutations?Let me just restate my position: If a character has ever shown to be unable to accomplish anything, or to be obligated to do something, or to show any effort at all doing something, they are not omnipotent.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That's possible.
That is stupid, unless Mxy wills it.
* inherent omniscience - the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known.
* total omniscience - actually knowing everything that can be known.
Get it? Same can be said for Omnipotent
mxy is actually another good point. as far as what we've seen, mxy is omnipotent - having reality manipulation on a multiversal+ level. but even higher realms, like the 5th dimension, are still linked to the 'mainstream' DC multiverse - that's how prime was able to punch his way there, when he was "warped into the multiverse."
that said, what needs to be understood is DC's multiverse was/is nothing but a microscopic flaw to the primal monitor. in fact, the multiverse was so insignificant that it's existence was hardly even recognized. this means that the primal monitor is so vast that even 'infinite' powers such as: spectre, mxy, the entire 5th dimension, the source... hell, all of DC combined - BARELY even constituted being looked further into.
that's how powerful the primal monitor is. i don't understand what's not computing with some people. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007👆
mxy is actually another good point. as far as what we've seen, mxy is omnipotent - having reality manipulation on a multiversal+ level. but even higher realms, like the 5th dimension, are still linked to the 'mainstream' DC multiverse - that's how prime was able to punch his way there, when he was "warped into the multiverse."that said, what needs to be understood is DC's multiverse was/is nothing but a microscopic flaw to the primal monitor. in fact, the multiverse was so insignificant that it's existence was hardly even recognized. this means that the primal monitor is so vast that even 'infinite' powers such as: spectre, mxy, the entire 5th dimension, the source... hell, all of DC combined - BARELY even constituted being looked further into.
that's how powerful the primal monitor is. i don't understand what's not computing with some people. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
mxy is actually another good point. as far as what we've seen, mxy is omnipotent - having reality manipulation on a multiversal+ level. but even higher realms, like the 5th dimension, are still linked to the 'mainstream' DC multiverse - that's how prime was able to punch his way there, when he was "warped into the multiverse."that said, what needs to be understood is DC's multiverse was/is nothing but a microscopic flaw to the primal monitor. in fact, the multiverse was so insignificant that it's existence was hardly even recognized. this means that the primal monitor is so vast that even 'infinite' powers such as: spectre, mxy, the entire 5th dimension, the source... hell, all of DC combined - BARELY even constituted being looked further into.
that's how powerful the primal monitor is. i don't understand what's not computing with some people. srsly
Spectre and Mercy weren't even obstacles.
Which speaks volumes.
Originally posted by Galan007
mxy is actually another good point. as far as what we've seen, mxy is omnipotent - having reality manipulation on a multiversal+ level. but even higher realms, like the 5th dimension, are still linked to the 'mainstream' DC multiverse - that's how prime was able to punch his way there, when he was "warped into the multiverse."that said, what needs to be understood is DC's multiverse was/is nothing but a microscopic flaw to the primal monitor. in fact, the multiverse was so insignificant that it's existence was hardly even recognized. this means that the primal monitor is so vast that even 'infinite' powers such as: spectre, mxy, the entire 5th dimension, the source... hell, all of DC combined - BARELY even constituted being looked further into.
that's how powerful the primal monitor is. i don't understand what's not computing with some people. srsly
I agree with a lot of this Galan but I gotta ask you, where does the Fourth World fit in with this?? We know it is someplace else and not within the DC Multiverse as Darkseids presence in it began to break it down, and that's not even beginning to talk about where The Source resides. Your thoughts 😎
Originally posted by Galan007
mxy is actually another good point. as far as what we've seen, mxy is omnipotent - having reality manipulation on a multiversal+ level. but even higher realms, like the 5th dimension, are still linked to the 'mainstream' DC multiverse - that's how prime was able to punch his way there, when he was "warped into the multiverse."that said, what needs to be understood is DC's multiverse was/is nothing but a microscopic flaw to the primal monitor. in fact, the multiverse was so insignificant that it's existence was hardly even recognized. this means that the primal monitor is so vast that even 'infinite' powers such as: spectre, mxy, the entire 5th dimension, the source... hell, all of DC combined - BARELY even constituted being looked further into.
that's how powerful the primal monitor is. i don't understand what's not computing with some people. srsly
Originally posted by Kris Blazecorrection: they weren't even obstacles to a second-hand version of mandrakk, of which was far less than the original mandrakk - and by proxy, was far less than the primal monitor.
Spectre and Mercy weren't even obstacles.Which speaks volumes.
ie. primal monitor g_infinity> mandrakk I >>> mandrakk II >>> spectre/radiant > pretty much anything in DC [sans johns.]
Originally posted by Galan007
correction: they weren't even obstacles to a second-hand version of mandrakk, of which was far less than the original mandrakk - and by proxy, was far less than the primal monitor.ie. primal monitor g_infinity> mandrakk I >>> mandrakk II >>> spectre/radiant > pretty much anything in DC [sans johns.]
Yes, for ****s sake. I still keep mixing Ogama and Mandrakk.
Originally posted by kevdudestill linked to the DCU, but on a higher dimensional plane.
I agree with a lot of this Galan but I gotta ask you, where does the Fourth World fit in with this?? We know it is someplace else and not within the DC Multiverse as Darkseids presence in it began to break it down, and that's not even beginning to talk about where The Source resides. Your thoughts 😎
Originally posted by Galan007
still linked to the DCU, but on a higher dimensional plane.
Yeah and we have other places as well like that as well, like Dreams realm. Have you read anything about the Monitors trying to become The Source (The Prime Monitor/Overvoid) though I've never read that before and if they are the same being?? Hard to say really, it is stated on Wikipedia that was their goal, maybe to join with it??
Here is Grant on IGN about it.
In later interviews, the author of this revised origin of the Monitor race, Grant Morrison, explained it as a metafictional comment on the DC Multiverse as both a living being and a fictional creation, with the Overvoid as a single or multiple pieces of blank white paper, reacting to the ink stories being forced upon it:
“ What happens if the page is a bit pissed off at the story that's drawn on it? So I thought of the page as God. The idea being that the Overvoid – as we called it in Final Crisis - of the white page as a space is sort of God. And it's condensing stories out of itself because it finds inside its own gigantic white space, self-absorbed pristine consciousness, it finds this little stain or mark, this DC Multiverse somebody has 'drawn'. And it starts investigating, and it's just shocked with what it sees, with all the crazy activity and signifying going on in there. It then tries to protect itself from the seething contact with 'story' and imagines a race of beings, 'angels' or 'monitors' (another word for angel, of course) to function as an interface between its own giant eternal magnificence and this tiny, weird crawling anthill of life and significance that is the DC Multiverse.
— Grant Morrison, Interviewed on IGN.com.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
A truly omnipotent being would not be shocked by anything, nor would it need to create other beings to protect itself. No one here seems to grasp the actual concept of omnipotence.
Nor do you seem to understand that an omnipotent being can choose to be shocked by something. An omnipotent being should be able to lock away parts of it's own power.
God can make a sandwhich so big he can't finish it, and he could finish it anyway.