Originally posted by xJLxKing
But he did notice it.
Only after it had emerged. He was confused by it.
Didn't beyonder do the same thing? he limited himself in many ways. I mean hello!! If you are supreme being, how does a mortal man steal your power?
Beyonder wasn't omnipotent either
Read the VS rule
What rule?
Only after it had emerged. He was confused by it.
Beyonder wasn't omnipotent either
What rule?
So characters like Mandrakk that can only get beat by CA + Superman's Story+ other factors can still only be beaten by them. Though, people can't accept it
Originally posted by Endless Mikefacepalm
Then that shows a limit. If he was truly omnipotent he wouldn't need to do anything, he could just say "balance him out? Screw that, I don't have to if I don't want to".If he was omnipotent he would not have any flaws. If he was omnipotent he would not mistake the multiverse for a flaw. If he was omnipotent he could fix it instantly. If he was omnipotent, he wouldn't need to send probes into it, he could know everything about it just by willing to know.
Except your own posts show he clearly has limits, making him inferior to a True Omnipotent being.
Exactly - Within DC Comics. But the vs. forum involves putting characters from DC comics against characters from other fictional works. Just because Superman's story is the best in DC Comics doesn't mean it's the best in Marvel Comics or Image Comics.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, he was never confused.
Why did he feel the need to investigate it then?
I think he was
He obviously was not, since his power was described in finite terms.
There is a specific rule. When characters abttle(from different companies) they fight in a neutral universe where both characters "logic" can be used.So characters like Mandrakk that can only get beat by CA + Superman's Story+ other factors can still only be beaten by them. Though, people can't accept it
Really, because I haven't seen that. In addition, it makes no sense, considering it would allow any random no-limits fallacy to be prevalent.
So if you have a character who is supposedly unbeatable but the strongest thing in his verse is just a guy with class 10 strength, that means that even Galactus or LT can't beat him? 🙄
Why did he feel the need to investigate it then?
He obviously was not, since his power was described in finite terms.
Really, because I haven't seen that. In addition, it makes no sense, considering it would allow any random no-limits fallacy to be prevalent. So if you have a character who is supposedly unbeatable but the strongest thing in his verse is just a guy with class 10 strength, that means that even Galactus or LT can't beat him? roll eyes (sarcastic)
It's stupid which is why he shouldn't be put in a Vs Thread. There is no point in the fight. One side says my argument, and the other says that it doesn't apply Marvel. It's never ending.
The only feats Mandrakk has is, he was eating DC Universe, he was defeated by an armor that can ADAPT to any situation instantly; powered by the best story. He has eternal power. He holds the bleed, and the regular monitors, and other beings in DCU pale in comparison.
As for the business withe Primal Monitor, I told you there can be SOO much theories on who he is. So far, there are many theories on who created the universe.
If we go by what FC is saying, PM is a organism( very big), DCU is a germ inside the PM which is growing(with more stories). Superman created the Universe. Mandrakk is eating up the DCU (everything) and he is the concept of evil(evil part of story)
So if we go by that, PM is a Supreme Being in the story, but he didn't created the story(DCU). Though, these theories can contradict. People can say, the presense created the universe because he admitted it when he say the Spectre and he said that these are his toys. Then there is Superman, Krona, Source Wall, PM, an probably a few more. Then we have the thing about the supreme being. We got the Presense, and the PM.
All in all, just choose who you want to be PM, at the end it doesn't even matter. I don't think the authors were even thinking this deep.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Ever heard of the quote, "God works in mysterious ways"? Well, think of it this way, a supreme being works in mysterious ways. The same way, a ghost who is suppose to be the wrath of god gets destroyed by by beings soo much weaker. It's a comic and don't try to apply a lot of logic into it.
So in other words, you have no answer.
and infinite as well. I'll let Mr. M answer this question
He gave half of his power to Dazzler. You can't split infinity in half.
He was said to be "millions of times the power of the multiverse" - that's a finite number.
No, you missed the point. It means something else. Imagine I bring a character from Marvel into DC. Lets say Silver Surfer. He would be powerless because nothing is powering him up(Galactus), and the power cosmic isn't the same as DC. That would mean he is powerless. So we apply the same thing with Mandrakk, that only CA+Superman story should beat him.
That's completely different. "Gets his power from" isn't the same as "can only be beaten by".
It's stupid which is why he shouldn't be put in a Vs Thread. There is no point in the fight. One side says my argument, and the other says that it doesn't apply Marvel. It's never ending.The only feats Mandrakk has is, he was eating DC Universe, he was defeated by an armor that can ADAPT to any situation instantly; powered by the best story. He has eternal power. He holds the bleed, and the regular monitors, and other beings in DCU pale in comparison.
As for the business withe Primal Monitor, I told you there can be SOO much theories on who he is. So far, there are many theories on who created the universe.
If we go by what FC is saying, PM is a organism( very big), DCU is a germ inside the PM which is growing(with more stories). Superman created the Universe. Mandrakk is eating up the DCU (everything) and he is the concept of evil(evil part of story)
So if we go by that, PM is a Supreme Being in the story, but he didn't created the story(DCU). Though, these theories can contradict. People can say, the presense created the universe because he admitted it when he say the Spectre and he said that these are his toys. Then there is Superman, Krona, Source Wall, PM, an probably a few more. Then we have the thing about the supreme being. We got the Presense, and the PM.
All in all, just choose who you want to be PM, at the end it doesn't even matter. I don't think the authors were even thinking this deep.
We need a story to retcon all of this and decide once and for all who is the real Supreme Being in DC.
(I'm betting it's Ambush Bug 😛 )
So in other words, you have no answer.
He gave half of his power to Dazzler. You can't split infinity in half. He was said to be "millions of times the power of the multiverse" - that's a finite number.
We need a story to retcon all of this and decide once and for all who is the real Supreme Being in DC. (I'm betting it's Ambush Bug stick out tongue )
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/DCFiftyTwoWeek5-022.jpgInfinite.
Mike: It just doesn't seem like you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
Newho, the PM's intelligence was stated to be infinite:
Therefore, you trying to apply your own "knowledge" to a being with infinite intelligence it absolutely pointless. It simply did/does what it (with it's infinite wisdom) feels that needs to be done.
Also, the PM's power would have to be infinite as well, based on the characters we previously thought possessed "truly" infinite power, that were created by the PM as meager probing devices in which to check out the DC Multiverse.
Lastly, we know it's overall size had to be infinite, because the infinite DC Multiverse was nothing but a germ in comparison to it.
Everything about this "creature" screams (to any logical person) that it is "truly" infinite in every aspect. You trying to throw your own logic into the mix doesn't change anything that's been shown/stated on panel. Never will.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Actually the Anti-Monitor instance makes sense, even if one universe survived he could still have destroyed an infinite amount. The problem is that you can't split infinity into equal parts.
Like Merlyn posted, The PM does have infinite knowledge, and his other points seems to be on the spot.
Originally posted by Merlyn
Mike: It just doesn't seem like you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
So what? Ten-Eyed man was stated to be the most dangerous man on earth. The facts that are actually shown overrule what is stated in dialogue.
Therefore, you trying to apply your own "knowledge" to a being with infinite intelligence it absolutely pointless. It simply did/does what it (with it's infinite wisdom) feels that needs to be done.Also, the PM's power would have to be infinite as well, based on the characters we previously thought possessed "truly" infinite power, that were created by the PM as meager probing devices in which to check out the DC Multiverse.
Lastly, we know it's overall size had to be infinite, because the infinite DC Multiverse was nothing but a germ in comparison to it.
A germ has definite size. If it were really infinite, the DC Multiverse would be infinitesimal in comparison.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
So what? Ten-Eyed man was [b]stated to be the most dangerous man on earth. The facts that are actually shown overrule what is stated in dialogue.A germ has definite size. If it were really infinite, the DC Multiverse would be infinitesimal in comparison. [/B]
Originally posted by Merlyn
Mike: It just doesn't seem like you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
