Thanos vs Darkseid with a twist

Originally posted by Galan007
TOAA ultimately allowed thanos to control it's power. if the presence allowed darkseid to control it's power, he could do so as well.

i understand there was a certain degree of will power involved on thanos' part. however, to say that feat trumps darky's feat of willing the entire DC multiverse to crumble [under his own power] is... meh.

Agreed, Darkseid was planning against The Source to become one with it and use it to his advantage, and still trying not to do whatever The Source wants him to do, which he did somewhat accomplish until it gained insight into what he was planning. Never saw DS have any trouble while merged with it. Thanos on the other hand while a great feat was being used the whole time and never thought about that until the very end and it was way to late. One of them planned for it while the other didn't, we all know who did. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Galan007
TOAA ultimately allowed thanos to control it's power. if the presence allowed darkseid to control it's power, he could do so as well.

i understand there was a certain degree of will power involved on thanos' part. however, to say that feat trumps darky's feat of willing the entire DC multiverse to crumble [under his own power] is... meh.

I think making the HOTU bend to his will [under his own power] is a better feat, as THOTU is clearly stronger than the multiverse.

Neither Thanos nor Darkseid have ever had the ultimate power fight against them or attempt to stop them, if they had, they would not have succeeded.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Neither Thanos nor Darkseid have ever had the ultimate power fight against them or attempt to stop them, if they had, they would not have succeeded.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not true. Thanos dominated THOTU with his will even though it was destroying him.

Has nothing to do with TOAA. If he did not want Thanos to have it, Thanos would not have it. Having a hard time adjusting and gaining control over the power is completely different, of course it requires work. Doesn't mean that if TOAA did not want Thanos to have it, he would not have it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Has nothing to do with TOAA. If he did not want Thanos to have it, Thanos would not have it. Having a hard time adjusting and gaining control over the power is completely different, of course it requires work. Doesn't mean that if TOAA did not want Thanos to have it, he would not have it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Neither Thanos nor Darkseid have ever had the ultimate power fight against them or attempt to stop them, if they had, they would not have succeeded.

I would agree with this

Originally posted by kevdude
Agreed, Darkseid was planning against The Source to become one with it and use it to his advantage, and still trying not to do whatever The Source wants him to do, which he did somewhat accomplish until it gained insight into what he was planning. Never saw DS have any trouble while merged with it. Thanos on the other hand while a great feat was being used the whole time and never thought about that until the very end and it was way to late. One of them planned for it while the other didn't, we all know who did. 😮‍💨

False... that WASN'T planned. He didn't plan on getting his heart ripped out by Orion at all. However, once that did happen and he was "falling" he was like f-it I'm taking all down with me. However, by no means was that his original plan and thus your wrong on that point.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If TOAA didn't want Thanos to have it, he wouldn't have left it laying around in the first place. But it was and Thanos was the only one in existence with the will to control it and make it his.

Twice now you attempted to claim that TOAA did not want Thanos to have it. Now you change your argument because you realized how stupid it was.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If he did not want Thanos to have it, Thanos would not have it..

Originally posted by Galan007
as far as will power alone is concerned, i am of the mind that darkseid has accomplished far more than thanos has.

ie. through sheer force of will, and under his own power, darkseid essentially flushed the whole of DC down the cosmic toilet. thanos, on the other hand, could never dream of accomplishing a will power feat on that level, without the aid of some uber artifact.

that's all i'm saying...

strange... i don't recall TOAA ever saying that... mmm

Ummmm it wasn't under his own power though Galan. You mentioned his sheer will or willpower that allowed him to do that. Well, he also had a powerup in the ALE that as you know is directly related to controlling minds and taking away will power. Thus, it was a boost to his willpower so to speak. The reason why the ALE is like a powerup, is because others have used it before not just DS, it's not only his to use. Therefore, all he accomplished was not under his own power and the "powerup" he had was directly related to control others willpower and minds. However, I do concede, even with that it was still a great feat and took A LOT of willpower and power in general to do what he did.

Thanos obtaining the HOTU was the TOAA's plan from the beginning.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Thanos obtaining the HOTU was the TOAA's plan from the beginning.

Bingo Bango.

Nobody can do anything the supreme power does not want them to.

Originally posted by kevdude
Agreed, Darkseid was planning against The Source to become one with it and use it to his advantage, and still trying not to do whatever The Source wants him to do, which he did somewhat accomplish until it gained insight into what he was planning. Never saw DS have any trouble while merged with it. Thanos on the other hand while a great feat was being used the whole time and never thought about that until the very end and it was way to late. One of them planned for it while the other didn't, we all know who did. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Twice now you attempted to claim that TOAA did not want Thanos to have it. Now you change your argument because you realized how stupid it was.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Thanos obtaining the HOTU was the TOAA's plan from the beginning.

Which changes what?

though, if I don't allow you, you'd need energy to take it FROM my hand, and a locked door

Originally posted by xJLxKing
If you think about it, it changes everything. If I allow you to come into my house and take my sword it would only take energy to open the door and walk him to have a chance to take my sword.

though, if I don't allow you, you'd need energy to take it FROM my hand, and a locked door

But it doesn't change the fact that only Thanos could have use it, besides of the TOAA itself. Because of his will.

So it makes Thanos will only second to TOAA's in Marvel.

How fare Ds against that?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
If you think about it, it changes everything. If I allow you to come into my house and take my sword it would only take energy to open the door and walk him to have a chance to take my sword.

though, if I don't allow you, you'd need energy to take it FROM my hand, and a locked door

This thread has to do with willpower. 😂

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
But it doesn't change the fact that only Thanos could have use it, besides of the TOAA itself.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Because it was TOAA's plan. It wasn't TOAA's plan for Reed, or Doom, or anyone else to have it, just Thanos.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Because it was TOAA's plan. It wasn't TOAA's plan for Reed, or Doom, or anyone else to have it, just Thanos.

because he was the man for the job in the point. Not whether he wanted him to have it or not and really that proves it further if you think about it. If he selected Thanos because he was the only one capable of accomplishing TOAA mission and handling the power how does it make it less impressive he picked Thanos?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
because he was the man for the job in the point. Not whether he wanted him to have it or not and really that proves it further if you think about it. If he selected Thanos because he was the only one capable of accomplishing TOAA mission and handling the power how does it make it less impressive he picked Thanos?