Originally posted by Allanklesnot to mention that he melded all of time into a single moment. darkseid: "as ALL time becomes ONE time, the time has come to strike."
By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.
...all through will.
Originally posted by kevdude
Indeed, the feat he (DS) pulled off showed just how prepared he was against everyone, except the Flashes of course. He had way more against him then Thanos ever did (until he had the HOTU which by that time his opposition didn't mean much).
Originally posted by Galan007
darkseid was > multiverse as well. the difference is, he didn't need an artifact to achieve that power - it was all him.
Question Galan
When I read it though, it seemed that part of what happened was because of his "position". When he "fell" to a place he didn't "belong" that world couldn't handle the intrusion. I also kinda felt like it was also because of his position as The New God and embodiment of evil so to speak. Thus, when that was no longer there the balance of the multiverse or universe was thrown off. I might be wrong but it seemed that part of that was because of the void of him dying left and because of the falling into a place he didn't belong.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, that isn't the case at all. I have no idea where you get this nonsense. The guy was defeated the same as he always is despite the ale and all the prep he had against earth.
By force of nature I mean that he's more than just a physical guy. It is said that all who worship death and holocaust, worship Darkseid. He and the other New Gods are the personifications of absolute negative or positive qualities.I know that's the idea, but he faccilitated a scenario where Thanos [b]could
absorb the power. Thanos couldn't do that with his own will power. [/B]
Yes, he could. No one else could it seems. His willpower adjusted and he survived solely because of it. This feat is the greatest feat of willpower out there as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by AllanklesThat doesn't change the fact that Thanos was the only one who could do so. The supreme being got the ball rolling but Thanos mastered this power on his own due to willpower.
If TOAA didn't want him to have the power Thanos wouldn't have been able to take it. None of the things he accomplished thereafter would have been possible.Contrast this to DS whose will power is strong enough on its own to halt destiny by stopping all reality and reworking it to reflect his will. Thanos will power couldn't do that.
Originally posted by Galan007That feat is nowhere near Thanos' feat from marvels' the end. No matter how you spin it Thanos mastered the energies of supremacy because of his willpower.
right, but the instance involving THOTI is a bit different. thanos specifically stated that he was "chosen" by the almighty for the task. he even told eternity that THOTI was "given" to him:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5108/thanos1.jpgwhereas darkseid:
a.) managed to survive after having his heart destroyed.
b.) was able to 'fall' to the material world [mainstream DCU.]
3.) form a multiverse crushing singularity.
d.) more or less rewrite the whole of creation in his own image....all because his will was THAT strong - the multiverse/mantle of supremacy were not handed to him in a shiny orb of powa.
you sure do like to put words in various characters' mouths.
that is not what was said.
Originally posted by AllanklesDs had the ale the entire time and prep to accomplish all that he did in final crisis. He needed some kind of advantage the ale to defeat the new gods. 😬
I already know all that. But what others are trying to say (King Kandy Quan) is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words they are trying to measure will power using an unquantifiable feat for Thanos. Taking a power up by itself isn't impressive, the only way it becomes impressive is if the author adds a qualify like "it required great will power to harness."By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.
EDIT: And Thanos does not have the power to accomplish said feats, he'd need an artifact or power up to even do half that stuff.
Originally posted by JuntaiWhat happened when Orion ripped out Darkseid's heart?
What happened to Thanos after his heart got ripped out?
>.>
Originally posted by AllanklesAre you kidding me?
I already know all that. But what others are trying to say (King Kandy Quan) is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words they are trying to measure will power using an unquantifiable feat for Thanos. Taking a power up by itself isn't impressive, the only way it becomes impressive is if the author adds a qualify like "it required great will power to harness."By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.
EDIT: And Thanos does not have the power to accomplish said feats, he'd need an artifact or power up to even do half that stuff.
Read what it says, I alone had the training to do so. Key words are I and alone if you were paying attention.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin08-4.jpg
By sheer force of WILL.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin09-4.jpg
Don't ever let me catch you ever twisting mighty Thanos' feats. Ever.
Originally posted by AllanklesHere's Thanos beating Eternity because his willpower was greater than the living embodiment of this reality.
I suggest you reread the story because your clearly talking out of your ass friend. Eternity has more than enough will power to do the same, it had nothing to do with will power.Warlock mentioned that Thanos will, that implies that Thanos has a strong will but together with that it also implied Thanos' mindset, he had the mind necessary for that specific task. It wasn't just about will power that Thanos was selected, if you remember the story line.
And we know it's darkseid's will power because we're told that he's refusing to die and pass away as the universe intends for him to do. Even after he is shot by the Radion bullet he continues to resist, after the Black Racer takes his spirit he still resists, waiting to corrupt Superman's wish with a stray thought or word.
Thanos won due to his willpower.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/The_Infinity_Guantlet_05-29.jpg
Originally posted by King KandyExactly, I put the scan up where Thanos said only he could do so which puts his willpower above anyone else's in marvels.
The feat of the Heart is that it puts his willpower above anybody in the whole of marvel.
Originally posted by kevdudeDs always loses even when he had the source outprepped. he pulled out Orion and this took away Ds's advantage. Ares also outprepped him with regards to the godwave.
Indeed, the feat he (DS) pulled off showed just how prepared he was against everyone, except the Flashes of course. He had way more against him then Thanos ever did (until he had the HOTU which by that time his opposition didn't mean much).
Originally posted by King KandyI think this is the one you are referring to.
Quanchi do you have the scan where Thanos says Eternity himself could not have accomplished his feat?
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend5kebbin15-3.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think this is the one you are referring to.http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend5kebbin15-3.jpg
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's Thanos beating Eternity because his willpower was greater than the living embodiment of this reality.Thanos won due to his willpower.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/The_Infinity_Guantlet_05-29.jpg
I don't see any mention of beating Eternity due to will power. Also in the end Thanos never tells Eternity that he couldn't accomplish absorbing THOTU because of will power.
Eternity didn't have issues absorbing THOTU which is what you claimed.
