Thanos vs Darkseid with a twist

Originally posted by Allankles
Actually he wants the anti-life equation so he can control all life. And I thought Darkseid's will is eternal?

Unlike Thanos Darkseid is actually a force of nature, the manifestation of evil in the cosmic balance.

No reason why he should lose a will power battle to anything but an abstract.

As far as Thanos HOTU feat is concerned, its impressive but Thanos success was arranged by TOAA.

TOAA wanted Thanos to do so because he knew he could do so based on his experiences. He didn't survive because the supreme being set it up he survived because of his own experiences dealing with power before.

Originally posted by kevdude
🤨 So your saying Thanos could have done what he did all by himself without the HOTU?? It also seems by this statement you believe him to be without THOTU that Thanos > the LT, he has never shown power anywhere near that scale all by himself..

Originally posted by kevdude
🤨 So your saying Thanos could have done what he did all by himself without the HOTU?? It also seems by this statement you believe him to be without THOTU that Thanos > the LT, he has never shown power anywhere near that scale all by himself..

i understand....thanos wins

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole much? A force of nature, they describe jason voorhees the same way. It's just some a phrase which means nothing.

By force of nature I mean that he's more than just a physical guy. It is said that all who worship death and holocaust, worship Darkseid. He and the other New Gods are the personifications of absolute negative or positive qualities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
TOAA wanted Thanos to do so because he knew he could do so based on his experiences. He didn't survive because the supreme being set it up he survived because of his own experiences dealing with power before. You just don't get it. Thanos' willpower is stronger than an abstracts. Thanos defeated Eternity in the ig story because of willpower.

I know that's the idea, but he faccilitated a scenario where Thanos could absorb the power. Thanos couldn't do that with his own will power.

Originally posted by Allankles
By force of nature I mean that he's more than just a physical guy. It is said that all who worship death and holocaust, worship Darkseid. He and the other New Gods are the personifications of absolute negative or positive qualities.

I know that's the idea, but he faccilitated a scenario where Thanos [b]could absorb the power. Thanos couldn't do that with his own will power. [/B]

yes he could with his own will power...TOAA just gave him the opportunity to do it...he wasnt given the will power to do it

If TOAA didn't want him to have the power Thanos wouldn't have been able to take it. None of the things he accomplished thereafter would have been possible.

Contrast this to DS whose will power is strong enough on its own to halt destiny by stopping all reality and reworking it to reflect his will. Thanos will power couldn't do that.

Originally posted by Blanket
You can attribute that for anything in comics. Doesn't change the fact that he did it.

whereas darkseid:
a.) managed to survive after having his heart destroyed.
b.) was able to 'fall' to the material world [mainstream DCU.]
3.) form a multiverse crushing singularity.
d.) more or less rewrite the whole of creation in his own image.

...all because his will was THAT strong - the multiverse/mantle of supremacy were not handed to him in a shiny orb of powa.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It was stated if Eternity was given THOTU, he would not have been able to use it.

that is not what was said.

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]
darkseid:
a.) managed to survive after having his heart destroyed.
b.) was able to 'fall' to the material world [mainstream DCU.]
3.) form a multiverse crushing singularity.
d.) more or less rewrite the whole of creation in his own image.
/B]

Not the same thing that happened to Lucifer, that's for damn certain.

Never did Thanos get aid in controlling THOTU... never. The "help" he got from TOAA was simply leaving THOTU there to be controlled. It still took Thanos and Thanos alone to control it.

"a poisonous Trinket (THOTI) was OFFERED and I foolishly leapt for it"

TOAA offered THOTU for the taking, but it was destructive to those that attempted it... finally, only Thanos had the force of will to control it.

Originally posted by Galan007
you sure do like to put words in various characters' mouths.

that is not what was said.

Originally posted by Galan007
right, but the instance involving THOTI is a bit different. thanos specifically stated that he was "chosen" by the almighty for the task. he even told eternity that THOTI was "given" to him:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5108/thanos1.jpg

whereas darkseid:
a.) managed to survive after having his heart destroyed.
b.) was able to 'fall' to the material world [mainstream DCU.]
3.) form a multiverse crushing singularity.
d.) more or less rewrite the whole of creation in his own image.

...all because his will was THAT strong - the multiverse/mantle of supremacy were not handed to him in a shiny orb of powa.

you sure do like to put words in various characters' mouths.

that is not what was said.

This reminds me of a quote: "Wrestling with Darkseid's [will] is like trying to beat the ocean unconscious."

Originally posted by Allankles
If TOAA didn't want him to have the power Thanos wouldn't have been able to take it. None of the things he accomplished thereafter would have been possible.

Contrast this to DS whose will power is strong enough on its own to halt destiny by stopping all reality and reworking it to reflect his will. Thanos will power couldn't do that.

Exactly how do you know what Thanos's will power couldn't do what DS did. You have a way to measure DS will power compared to Thanos? Thanos was SPECIFICALLY choosen because of his WILL power and over all other characters in Marvel. He was "guided" and manipulated to finding this power source because yes that is what TOAA wanted. Nobody is arguing that or at least I don't think they are. The point is, it said nothing about increasing his will so he could accomplish the task so that is just some random speculation your throwing out there which isn't logical. If that was the case why would Warlock say.. you were choosen because of YOUR WILL TITAN. If TOAA could just allow anybody to use it that sentence wouldn't make sense. What does make sense and what the writer was clearly trying to protray was that Thanos was the main for the job above all others because of his will and experience with ultimate power.

Now DS feat is impressive and I don't know what is more impressive or not. However, what is going is Thanos's favor is essentially TOAA feels Thanos will > all others. That has never been said about Ds and DC.

I already know all that. But what others are trying to say (King Kandy Quan) is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words they are trying to measure will power using an unquantifiable feat for Thanos. Taking a power up by itself isn't impressive, the only way it becomes impressive is if the author adds a qualify like "it required great will power to harness."

By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.

EDIT: And Thanos does not have the power to accomplish said feats, he'd need an artifact or power up to even do half that stuff.

Originally posted by Allankles
I already know all that. But what others are trying to say (King Kandy Quan) is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words they are trying to measure will power using an unquantifiable feat for Thanos. Taking a power up by itself isn't impressive, the only way it becomes impressive is if the author adds a qualify like "it required great will power to harness."

By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.

EDIT: And Thanos does not have the power to accomplish said feats, he'd need an artifact or power up to even do half that stuff.

Those qualifiers were stated throughout the thread and I just pointed some out. Here they are again.

1. Warlock said you were specifically choosen because of YOUR WILL TITAN. That sentence right there shows that not all could've accomplish the task but Thanos's will was such that he could.

2. Eternity if given the task and heart couldn't have accomplished what Thanos did. Also said.

3. The celestial order and others had to use machines and such just to get a fraction of the power of the heart. The couldn't do anything with it or harness its power because guess what... The didn't have the tools for the job. Thanos does.

I'm not sure how you can say nothing was specifically said when it was in various ways. It said very clearly he was choosen because of his WILL and we see that others even powerful beings couldn't do a damn thing with it. We also see that even eternity couldn't get the job done. So, yet it was said in more than one way just not the specific way you want. That is like me saying... Point me to the Author saying DS willpower is what allowed him to create the sigularity etc etc. I don't remember that ever being specifically said. Thus, I could say the same thing. However, I agree it was his willpower that helped accomplish the events that took place. How you can say it wasn't Thanos will then is just silly when it was stated as such.

I suggest you reread the story because your clearly talking out of your ass friend. Eternity has more than enough will power to do the same, it had nothing to do with will power.

Warlock mentioned that Thanos will, that implies that Thanos has a strong will but together with that it also implied Thanos' mindset, he had the mind necessary for that specific task. It wasn't just about will power that Thanos was selected, if you remember the story line.

And we know it's darkseid's will power because we're told that he's refusing to die and pass away as the universe intends for him to do. Even after he is shot by the Radion bullet he continues to resist, after the Black Racer takes his spirit he still resists, waiting to corrupt Superman's wish with a stray thought or word.

Originally posted by Allankles
I suggest you reread the story because your clearly talking out of your ass friend. Eternity has more than enough will power to do the same, it had nothing to do with will power.

Warlock mentioned that Thanos will, that implies that Thanos has a strong will but together with that it also implied Thanos' mindset, he had the mind necessary for that specific task. It wasn't just about will power that Thanos was selected, if you remember the story line.

And we know it's darkseid's will power because we're told that he's refusing to die and pass away as the universe intends for him to do.

What is good for goose is good for the gander Allan. You said the writer had to specifically state "this task required a lot of will power" your quote was something like that on what you wanted. So then, point me to a similar quote that said the same about DS. Good luck on that. You can't have it power ways. Thanos's feat SPECIFICALLY states Thanos was choosen because of his will. Period. That is more than what is said about DS. It was also stated if my memory is correct that Eternity couldn't accomplish the task IIRC. Maybe you need to go read it again. Point is, Thanos will was why he was choosen (along with mindset, which I already referenced) for the job and that was specifically stated, which is more than what was said about DS and his feat.

Eternity could not accomplish the task TOAA wanted accomplished. The task not involving absorbtion of THOTU but the fixing of a universal flaw that would end the universe. That wasn't about absorbing THOTU.

As for the rest of this, your misusing my quote. I only mentioned qualifiers being used for a feat that is unimpressive on its own, like taking a power up. Darkseid's own feats didn't need qualifiers like "great will power required" because they speak for themselves, they are action feats nothing ambiguous about them.

Originally posted by Allankles
I already know all that. But what others are trying to say (King Kandy Quan) is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words they are trying to measure will power using an unquantifiable feat for Thanos. Taking a power up by itself isn't impressive, the only way it becomes impressive is if the author adds a qualify like "it required great will power to harness."

By contrast Darkseid's will power is far more quantifiable by the feats it allowed him to accomplish. Surviving death, arresting his fall, creating a singularity to stop the arrival of a new age/new iteration of reality, and subsequently forcing the multiverse to reflect his image, all because he willed it.

EDIT: And Thanos does not have the power to accomplish said feats, he'd need an artifact or power up to even do half that stuff.

Originally posted by Allankles
I suggest you reread the story because your clearly talking out of your ass friend. Eternity has more than enough will power to do the same, it had nothing to do with will power.

Warlock mentioned that Thanos will, that implies that Thanos has a strong will but together with that it also implied Thanos' mindset, he had the mind necessary for that specific task. It wasn't just about will power that Thanos was selected, if you remember the story line.

And we know it's darkseid's will power because we're told that he's refusing to die and pass away as the universe intends for him to do. Even after he is shot by the Radion bullet he continues to resist, after the Black Racer takes his spirit he still resists, waiting to corrupt Superman's wish with a stray thought or word.

Indeed, the feat he (DS) pulled off showed just how prepared he was against everyone, except the Flashes of course. He had way more against him then Thanos ever did (until he had the HOTU which by that time his opposition didn't mean much).