Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Question GalanWhen I read it though, it seemed that part of what happened was because of his "position". When he "fell" to a place he didn't "belong" that world couldn't handle the intrusion. I also kinda felt like it was also because of his position as The New God and embodiment of evil so to speak. Thus, when that was no longer there the balance of the multiverse or universe was thrown off. I might be wrong but it seemed that part of that was because of the void of him dying left and because of the falling into a place he didn't belong.
still applies and why it wasn't just his own power at work here.
Originally posted by AllanklesDid you read it? Why did you ingore the rest of my post which called your bluff. Thanos said he was the only one who could accomplish this.
I don't see any mention of beating Eternity due to will power. Also in the end Thanos never tells Eternity that he couldn't accomplish absorbing THOTU because of will power.Eternity didn't have issues absorbing THOTU which is what you claimed.
It's stated in black and white in another comic that Thanos beat him due to willpower. It's obvious anyways. In marvel's the end it's stated through his training and willpower Thanos is the only one who can do this feat.
Originally posted by AllanklesWe aren't talking about mulitversal feats we are talking about willpower. Ds did all that damage to his position and what not. It's just like when he was pulled out of the timestream and reality fell apart.
No. The point is Darkseid didn't need an artifact or a power source to reconfigure the multiverse, unlike Thanos who doesn't have that power.And it doesn't get any bigger than multiversal, except if you're bigger than said multiverse.
It has nothing to do with Ds doing so under his own power. It has nothing to do with whose will is stronger. Thanos' feat speaks volumes about willpower. He wins.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The HOTU, is greater than the multiverse, as proven when it absorbed it easily.
Again. This had nothing to do with Thanos own power, whatever your views of the multiverse. DS was using his own power, Thanos doesn't have such power, not even a significant fraction of such power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you read it? Why did you ingore the rest of my post which called your bluff. Thanos said he was the only one who could accomplish this.
He was the one who could accomplish the task of fixing that specific universal flaw. He was not the only one that could absorb THOTU, which is what you stated before. Nevermind that guys like Eternity have so much more capacity for such absorption.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's stated in black and white in another comic that Thanos beat him due to willpower..
Give me the issue, comic title, anything and I'll concede the point. I'm not beyond accepting evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It has nothing to do with Ds doing so under his own power.
And you'd be wrong. The authors commentary on FC 7 says otherwise. DS was re constituting the multiverse with his own power, according to GM he was also retconning and destroying realities.
What you don't seem to get is that DS is a personification of absolute negative qualities in the multiverse. He is a higher order entity and that's why he was able to warp the material realm (multiverse) like he did.
According to FC whatever happened in heaven (the fourth world) was mirrored in the multiverse, so when evil won, the universal balance between good and evil was shifted in DS' favor.
Allowing him to wreck havoc in a way he couldn't before, because there was nothing left to balance/negate his power in the multiverse once New Genesis lost.
Originally posted by Allankles
Again. This had nothing to do with Thanos own power, whatever your views of the multiverse. DS was using his own power, Thanos doesn't have such power, not even a significant fraction of such power.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosidarkseid's existence in the multiverse is what was flushing it down the cosmic toilet - the thing is, him 'falling' there should have been utterly impossible. why? because when a new god's heart is destroyed, they are supposed to instantly die [which was shown numerous times throughout DotNG.] however, instead of simply dying, darkseid quite literally willed his 'true' form to plummet down to the mainstream DCU [a ridiculous feat in itself.] once there, darkseid knew that his mere presence within the multiverse would irrevocably destroy it [so long as he had the will to maintain said presence]..
Question GalanWhen I read it though, it seemed that part of what happened was because of his "position". When he "fell" to a place he didn't "belong" that world couldn't handle the intrusion. I also kinda felt like it was also because of his position as The New God and embodiment of evil so to speak. Thus, when that was no longer there the balance of the multiverse or universe was thrown off. I might be wrong but it seemed that part of that was because of the void of him dying left and because of the falling into a place he didn't belong.
"i'm the only one who can see the shadow. this gigantic shadow cast across the entire multiverse. falling over everything":
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9310/ds2u.jpg
even when darkseid 'possessed' turpin's body, it was still through sheer force of will that his existence within the multiverse continued. without such massive will, darkseid, and darkseid alone, would have continued to fall to his own personal hades. instead, he did not merely continue to survive, but he also formed a friggin' singularity around himself, of which was intertwining/destroying the entire multiverse - ie. if darkseid was going to die, everything was going to die with him... all through will powa, my friend..
"darkseid's falling, dragging this whole universe down as he goes. the entire structure of existence. the whole multiverse, wally":
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4899/ds4.jpg
hell, even after darkseid was shot with a lethal dose of radion, after he was hit by his own omega sanction, and after he'd met the black racer, his energy form still continued to linger within the material world [due, again, to sheer will power.]
it was only when superman sang the 'life-equation' that darkseid was more or less canceled out:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4818/ds5.jpg
and the best part is... darkseid knew all of this was going to happen. he knew full well what his battle with orion could potentially gain him. that's why he made this comment to libra, just before he and orion had their 'final battle'..
"there will be great changes on earth in the days to come, libra. you must be ready for whatever transpires":
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3860/ds1a.jpg
[so it can't be said that the displays of power/will in FC were any kind of 'fluke'.]
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anyhow, darkseid's feats of will > thanos'. imo.
Originally posted by AllanklesI put this up before but you failed to click on it.
He was the one who could accomplish the task of fixing that specific universal flaw. He was not the only one that could absorb THOTU, which is what you stated before. Nevermind that guys like Eternity have so much more capacity for such absorption.Give me the issue, comic title, anything and I'll concede the point. I'm not beyond accepting evidence.
And you'd be wrong. The authors commentary on FC 7 says otherwise. DS was re constituting the multiverse with his own power, according to GM he was also retconning and destroying realities.
What you don't seem to get is that DS is a personification of absolute negative qualities in the multiverse. He is a higher order entity and that's why he was able to warp the material realm (multiverse) like he did.
According to FC whatever happened in heaven (the fourth world) was mirrored in the multiverse, so when evil won, the universal balance between good and evil was shifted in DS' favor.
Allowing him to wreck havoc in a way he couldn't before, because there was nothing left to balance/negate his power in the multiverse once New Genesis lost.
Allankles you are clueless on Thanos and misinformed on Ds it would appear. When your key points are he's a force of nature that's just a hyperbolic statement which proves about as much as calling Odin omnipotent.
I alone had the WILL and the training.
You are flat out wrong and actually ignore the comic itself to take away from Thanos' feat that trumps anything Ds has ever done.
Then provide the proof. Provide the statements that correlate your points.
What you don't get is that you had the ale the entire time and it aided him in defeating the other new gods. he has done nothing to even suggest he's anywhere near Odin level. Thanos has already taken Odin on before his got more powerful with his final powerup.
Basically the universal tilt was off balance due to evil winning. It had everything to do with their position and not their own power levels. Had the good guys won the balance would have still been off in the opposite direction.
And through sheer force of WILL, I prevailed.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
darkseid's existence in the multiverse is what was flushing it down the cosmic toilet - the thing is, him 'falling' there should have been utterly impossible. why? because when a new god's heart is destroyed, they are supposed to instantly die [which was shown numerous times throughout DotNG.] however, instead of simply dying, darkseid quite literally willed his 'true' form to plummet down to the mainstream DCU [a ridiculous feat in itself.] once there, darkseid knew that his mere presence within the multiverse would irrevocably destroy it [so long as he had the will to maintain said presence].."i'm the only one who can see the shadow. this gigantic shadow cast across the entire multiverse. falling over everything":
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9310/ds2u.jpgeven when darkseid 'possessed' turpin's body, it was still through sheer force of will that his existence within the multiverse continued. without such massive will, darkseid, and darkseid alone, would have continued to fall to his own personal hades. instead, he did not merely continue to survive, but he also formed a friggin' singularity around himself, of which was intertwining/destroying the entire multiverse - ie. if darkseid was going to die, everything was going to die with him... all through will powa, my friend..
"darkseid's falling, dragging this whole universe down as he goes. the entire structure of existence. the whole multiverse, wally":
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4899/ds4.jpghell, even after darkseid was shot with a lethal dose of radion, after he was hit by his own omega sanction, and after he'd met the black racer, his energy form still continued to linger within the material world [due, again, to sheer will power.]
it was only when superman sang the 'life-equation' that darkseid was more or less canceled out:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4818/ds5.jpgand the best part is... darkseid knew all of this was going to happen. he knew full well what his battle with orion could potentially gain him. that's why he made this comment to libra, just before he and orion had their 'final battle'..
"there will be great changes on earth in the days to come, libra. you must be ready for whatever transpires":
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/3860/ds1a.jpg[so it can't be said that the displays of power/will in FC were any kind of 'fluke'.]
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anyhow, darkseid's feats of will > thanos'. imo.
Good job on this and explaining this Galan. The only thing I disagree with is that he planned on Orion killing him. That quote was rather ambiguous and really can be taken a few ways. However, I say nothing that suggested he let Orion rip his heart out so he could then do what transpired. Seemed to me like that wasn't his plan but once that happened your right his will power, power, position did some impressive stuff.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I put this up before but you failed to click on it.Allankles you are clueless on Thanos and misinformed on Ds it would appear. When your key points are he's a force of nature that's just a hyperbolic statement which proves about as much as calling Odin omnipotent.
[B]I alone had the WILL and the training.
You are flat out wrong and actually ignore the comic itself to take away from Thanos' feat that trumps anything Ds has ever done.
Then provide the proof. Provide the statements that correlate your points.
What you don't get is that you had the ale the entire time and it aided him in defeating the other new gods. he has done nothing to even suggest he's anywhere near Odin level. Thanos has already taken Odin on before his got more powerful with his final powerup.
Basically the universal tilt was off balance due to evil winning. It had everything to do with their position and not their own power levels. Had the good guys won the balance would have still been off in the opposite direction.
And through sheer force of WILL, I prevailed. [/B]
Good job on the scans Quan... Through sheer force of will... was he able to dominate a power like no other.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosii'm not saying darkseid 'let' orion shred his heart - i'm saying that it was a win/win situation for him either way. afterall, darky would have still gained the ultimate supremacy he so desired, no matter the outcome of his and orion's final battle.
👆Good job on this and explaining this Galan. The only thing I disagree with is that he planned on Orion killing him. That quote was rather ambiguous and really can be taken a few ways. However, I say nothing that suggested he let Orion rip his heart out so he could then do what transpired. Seemed to me like that wasn't his plan but once that happened your right his will power, power, position did some impressive stuff.
Originally posted by Galan007That's... an interesting interpretation. And one that unfortunately has gaping holes in it.
darkseid's existence in the multiverse is what was flushing it down the cosmic toilet - the thing is, him 'falling' there should have been utterly impossible. why? because when a new god's heart is destroyed, they are supposed to instantly die [which was shown numerous times throughout DotNG.] however, instead of simply dying, darkseid quite literally willed his 'true' form to plummet down to the mainstream DCU [a ridiculous feat in itself.] once there, darkseid knew that his mere presence within the multiverse would irrevocably destroy it [so long as he had the will to maintain said presence]..
Originally posted by Merlyn
I hate bumping this thread, but I think it's worth mentioning that Darkseid was able to prevent the Source Being itself from accessing the energies of all the fallen New Gods {energies that the Source Being created}, just by willing it.That is pretty remarkable.
DONG right? Pretty impresive.
Originally posted by MerlynBecause he was tapping into his power source. The Source quickly remedied the situation.
I hate bumping this thread, but I think it's worth mentioning that Darkseid was able to prevent the Source Being itself from accessing the energies of all the fallen New Gods {energies that the Source Being created}, just by willing it.That is pretty remarkable.
