Angry Gamer sues Bungie, Microsoft

Originally posted by inimalist
Since I made that post, I've spent a couple of hours playing Saints Row 2 on my 360. Love the game, really.

Did the dealer missions for most of that time, and due to terrible pathing AI, lost repeatedly (though not technically a glitch...). In 2 hours, the game has frozen twice.

That standard of quality is far below that of any industry, and it is only because the products are being produced for a niche market that is willing to forgive such things that it isn't a real issue.

Lair was shipped as a broken game.

This isn't a matter of ware and tare, but rather of just substandard products being sold as complete because of deadlines and such.

Ah! So you're a gamer. Good! Then this leads me to assume that you read reviews for the games. Usually early reviews will tell you if the game have glitches or not. If it does and you still buy the game...well, you're on your Charlie. I'm one of those gamers that takes a chance, and pre-orders, and then stand in line till midnight to buy the game. If it's glitchy...it is...get the patch.

Originally posted by inimalist

A warranty doesn't cover a company if they produce a defective product

That's when you have recalls. Now, Daudemons apples and oranges earlier comment comes into play. I've never heard of a video game recall...I don't think there even was one...if there was...oh, well...there was and no biggie.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
That's when you have recalls. Now, Daudemons apples and oranges earlier comment comes into play. I've never heard of a video game recall...I don't think there even was one...if there was...oh, well...there was and no biggie.

If there was, it probably would have had more to do with content than glitches or bugs... did the early versions of GTA: San Andreas get recalled due to the whole sex thing?

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
If there was, it probably would have had more to do with content than glitches or bugs... did the early versions of GTA: San Andreas get recalled due to the whole sex thing?

Good question...I don't remember to be honest. I do recall hearing some versions of GTA SA with the sex scene did arrive in Europe even after it was blown out of proportion here in the states.

hmm

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Good question...I don't remember to be honest. I do recall hearing some versions of GTA SA with the sex scene did arrive in Europe even after it was blown out of proportion here in the states.

hmm

Yea, I'm not going to pretend to know all the details. I just know what the controversy was. It was GTA, and I've never been a big fan of that series (I'd enjoy them for about five minutes then get bored), and frankly, I didn't care, so I didn't really look into it that much.

I'm actually a fan of GTA (not a fanboy) series and do recall parts of the controversy from years back. You still brought a very good point...if a game was released with sexual adult content PRIOR to a rating, then I could see a massive recall happening.

Hmm...

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Ah! So you're a gamer. Good! Then this leads me to assume that you read reviews for the games. Usually early reviews will tell you if the game have glitches or not. If it does and you still buy the game...well, you're on your Charlie. I'm one of those gamers that takes a chance, and pre-orders, and then stand in line till midnight to buy the game. If it's glitchy...it is...get the patch.

ok, name another industry that this type of thing is acceptable in

dude, just because you like something doesn't mean you put your fingers in your ears and defend it

EDIT: also, I'm not a gamer. I'm interested in the industry and follow releases, but in no way to I identify as such. It would be as ridiculous as defining myself as a "sporter" or other such things. Identity politics with hobbies, lololol

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
That's when you have recalls. Now, Daudemons apples and oranges earlier comment comes into play. I've never heard of a video game recall...I don't think there even was one...if there was...oh, well...there was and no biggie.

san andreas was recalled

EDIT: the origional san andreas disc contained a mini-game where you had sex with your girlfriends. The game was never finished and was disabled in final product, however was still in the code.

Game modders enabled the code and released it, along with community created nude skins, as the "Hot Coffee" mod. The recall occured to prevent Rockstar from being legally liable for the content on the disc, even though users had to break theur EULA to access or use it.

Originally posted by inimalist

san andreas was recalled

PS3's 'LittleBigPlanet' was recalled, due to the cries/rants of Muslim communities. There are others. It's since been released, once the "offense" was removed.

huh, didn't know that one

Originally posted by inimalist
huh, didn't know that one

It's some online social game filled with music; one of the songs [forget the artist] has a line or two from the Qu'ran; the Islamites didn't like it, so they cried to Sony.

Not sure why they didn't pursue the artist and music distribution company.

Originally posted by Robtard
PS3's 'LittleBigPlanet' was recalled, due to the cries/rants of Muslim communities. There are others. It's since been released, once the "offense" was removed.

Same thing happened to Ocarina of Time. The blood was censored too.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Ah! So you're a gamer. Good! Then this leads me to assume that you read reviews for the games. Usually early reviews will tell you if the game have glitches or not. If it does and you still buy the game...well, you're on your Charlie.

His point is that every other industry that makes a product has standards they are required to live up to. There's no good reason that the video game industry should be any different.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His point is that every other industry that makes a product has standards they are required to live up to. There's no good reason that the video game industry should be any different.

Not to mention, said glitches/problems would have to be labeled on the box, to be a valid warning to the consumer.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's some online social game filled with music; one of the songs [forget the artist] has a line or two from the Qu'ran; the Islamites didn't like it, so they cried to Sony.

Not sure why they didn't pursue the artist and music distribution company.

weird. I've played some little big planet... How do they protect themselves against user created offensive stuff, like what happened in Hot Coffee?

(I have no idea how their copyright stuff works, especially given that City of Heroes was liable for the ability of consumers to create marvel characters with their character generator)

I'm sure the music distribution company and the artist don't have pockets like Sony 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Same thing happened to Ocarina of Time. The blood was censored too.

muslims censored OoT?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no good reason that the video game industry should be any different.

the market doesn't demand it?

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, name another industry that this type of thing is acceptable in

dude, just because you like something doesn't mean you put your fingers in your ears and defend it

I would go with Comic Book Industry.

You're neither a gamer but play the video games. K...we'll leave it then that you don't read reviews.

I got a good idea where you put your fingers. So thank you for assuming.

Originally posted by inimalist

san andreas was recalled

EDIT: the origional san andreas disc contained a mini-game where you had sex with your girlfriends. The game was never finished and was disabled in final product, however was still in the code.

Game modders enabled the code and released it, along with community created nude skins, as the "Hot Coffee" mod. The recall occured to prevent Rockstar from being legally liable for the content on the disc, even though users had to break theur EULA to access or use it.

I gotta stop wikipedia more often than been honest.

Double post.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His point is that every other industry that makes a product has standards they are required to live up to. There's no good reason that the video game industry should be any different.

I think there is life cycle in software involved. But again, I will point out that there are such things as reviews of products that might warn of you of glitches. I believe Adam Sessler once said that all games have glitches and they're expected to happen.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I would go with Comic Book Industry.

What?

I think he has me on ignore, please someone inquire as to this.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I would go with Comic Book Industry.

You're neither a gamer but play the video games. K...we'll leave it then that you don't read reviews.

I got a good idea where you put your fingers. So thank you for assuming.

I gotta stop wikipedia more often than been honest.

yeah, that's true. the comic book industry loves to put out a substandard product and still charge you full price.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yeah, that's true. the comic book industry loves to put out a substandard product and still charge you full price.

Remember Countdown? 😛

However, now that I think of it...there is a flip side. You can buy comics from the .50 cent pile....you just have to wait months for it. lulz.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yeah, that's true. the comic book industry loves to put out a substandard product and still charge you full price.

That's a totally subjective thing though.

Meaning, they can't make sure that you like the story, and really, if you by a story by some hack author, I'd say you yourself are to blame. Now if the whole lettering is off and there are misprints etc. then you have a point (that doesn't happen that often though) and I have multiple times actually received a reprint in my subscriptions.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's a totally subjective thing though.

Meaning, they can't make sure that you like the story, and really, if you by a story by some hack author, I'd say you yourself are to blame. Now if the whole lettering is off and there are misprints etc. then you have a point (that doesn't happen that often though) and I have multiple times actually received a reprint in my subscriptions.

i can't stand in the comic store and read the issue cover to cover, though.

and its not entirely subjective when certain writers go out of their way to ignore continuity or established personality traits just so they can have it the way they want it.