Originally posted by -Pr-
i can't stand in the comic store and read the issue cover to cover, though.
I don't know what that has to do with anything, but that is true. Though that's similar with most things somewhat, no?
Originally posted by -Pr-
and its not entirely subjective when certain writers go out of their way to ignore continuity or established personality traits just so they can have it the way they want it.
Well, I personally prefer if they forget about elaborate and often contradicting continuity as long as they abandon it for an actual good story.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know what that has to do with anything, but that is true. Though that's similar with most things somewhat, no?Well, I personally prefer if they forget about elaborate and often contradicting continuity as long as they abandon it for an actual good story.
with a car, you can test drive. with games, even, you can sometimes play a demo. there are online previews to comics, but it's not the same thing imo.
i just don't see why they have to be mutually exclusive. and a lot of the time, the stories are shit.
Originally posted by -Pr-
with a car, you can test drive. with games, even, you can sometimes play a demo. there are online previews to comics, but it's not the same thing imo.i just don't see why they have to be mutually exclusive. and a lot of the time, the stories are shit.
Why do you think it is not the same thing? I mean you can read like what, 5-6 pages in the comic store? That should give you a pretty good idea of whether it's going to be good. I think the issue is more that many comic buyers are collectors as much as readers, so they don't really have a choice.
Again it's subjective, the things I think are shit in many mainstream comics are things that others greatly enjoy..
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why do you think it is not the same thing? I mean you can read like what, 5-6 pages in the comic store? That should give you a pretty good idea of whether it's going to be good. I think the issue is more that many comic buyers are collectors as much as readers, so they don't really have a choice.Again it's subjective, the things I think are shit in many mainstream comics are things that others greatly enjoy..
yes, you could read it, but again, as you said, a lot of people are collectors. if they're going to be laying down a lot of money every week, they should be getting a quality product.
i don't agree. some things are universally acclaimed, while some are universally panned. not everything is subjective imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
yes, you could read it, but again, as you said, a lot of people are collectors. if they're going to be laying down a lot of money every week, they should be getting a quality product.i don't agree. some things are universally acclaimed, while some are universally panned. not everything is subjective imo.
It's very hard to please them all, I'd say. And the target of many of the comics are adolescent boys, I think, and many of those like incredibly stupid macho shit....while older collecters...won't stop buying anyways.
What things would that be?
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's very hard to please them all, I'd say. And the target of many of the comics are adolescent boys, I think, and many of those like incredibly stupid macho shit....while older collecters...won't stop buying anyways.What things would that be?
which is the problem. the market aims more towards the teens while ignoring the adults who grew up reading said comics. is it not good business sense to appeal to all the markets you possibly can? hell, both dc and marvel have been trying to get young children and girls to read their comics recently.
comic books specifically. some series will be universally lauded while others are universally hated except by the tiniest of minorities.
Originally posted by -Pr-
which is the problem. the market aims more towards the teens while ignoring the adults who grew up reading said comics. is it not good business sense to appeal to all the markets you possibly can? hell, both dc and marvel have been trying to get young children and girls to read their comics recently.
They can try, but do you think there are stories that please every type of reader? Perhaps some tastes are just incompatible.
Originally posted by -Pr-
comic books specifically. some series will be universally lauded while others are universally hated except by the tiniest of minorities.
I meant specific examples. And what are you referring to specifically, critics, commercial success, cult following, internet vibe...?
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Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I would go with Comic Book Industry.
so comic books are known to stop working half way through? or are known to be incomplete upon their release, expecting patches later?
I'm not saying games are BAD, I'm saying the product doesn't work the way it is being advertised and fails at a rate unheard of in any industry.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
You're neither a gamer but play the video games. K...we'll leave it then that you don't read reviews.
If you want my "gamer" credentials, I frequently read IGN, I subscribe to the Three Red Lights, Game Scoop, the 1up and Joystiq podcasts for news and reviews, I used to get Beyond! but didn't really like the style, now and then with the PC gamer and Maximum PC. I tried the official XBox one, but didn't really like it, not enough sort of industry commentary. I'll be honest, I've fallen off the wagon a bit now that I'm back in school, but I listen as often as possible.
However, my best "street cred" would be the GameThoery podcast, that talks in a meta way about the game industry and the art of game design as a whole.
so, yes, I read reviews. Like I said, I'm very interested in the industry. However, I think its a little childish to define oneself by what they like to do in their spare time.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I gotta stop wikipedia more often than been honest.
ha, again, didn't read it on wikipedia, but followed the news as it was released on gamepolitics.com some years ago.
I thought all real 1337 gamers read gamepolitics?
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I got a good idea where you put your fingers. So thank you for assuming.
ask your mom if the swelling has gone down. She is a classy lady 😉
EDIT: oh, and just one last little bit of "gamer" trivia, the argument I'm making, right now, comes DIRECTLY from penny arcade when Tyco was talking about a version of Tiger Woods.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They can try, but do you think there are stories that please every type of reader? Perhaps some tastes are just incompatible.I meant specific examples. And what are you referring to specifically, critics, commercial success, cult following, internet vibe...?
i'm not saying that you can please everyone with one story, but most major series have at least two or three books. like x-men for example. if one book is written for the 12 year olds who want to be wolverine, then why cant the other book be written for the more mature reader? some comics do it, and have done it well. they just dont seem to bother anymore, and yet still want our money.
critical acclaim, internet fame, positive reviews from pretty much everyone, etc.
Examples of comics that almost nobody hated: The Sinestro Corps War, Annihilation.
Comics that a lot of people hated: Wolverine Origins used to get a lot of flack in the Comic Vs Section.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm not saying that you can please everyone with one story, but most major series have at least two or three books. like x-men for example. if one book is written for the 12 year olds who want to be wolverine, then why cant the other book be written for the more mature reader? some comics do it, and have done it well. they just dont seem to bother anymore, and yet still want our money.critical acclaim, internet fame, positive reviews from pretty much everyone, etc.
Examples of comics that almost nobody hated: The Sinestro Corps War, Annihilation.
Comics that a lot of people hated: Wolverine Origins used to get a lot of flack in the Comic Vs Section.
The question is whether being hated or loved (the way you see it) had any influence on the commercial success.
Originally posted by -Pr-That's exactly what I mean. A majority of comic book readers doesn't actually want a deep or intriguingly artistic story, meaning that if they bought an X-Men comic that was with (what I feel as) merit they would feel how you feel now.
rarely. it's usually the books that are widely acclaimed that don't actually get the sales that they should.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's exactly what I mean. A majority of comic book readers doesn't actually want a deep or intriguingly artistic story, meaning that if they bought an X-Men comic that was with (what I feel as) merit they would feel how you feel now.
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Originally posted by Bardock42
That's exactly what I mean. A majority of comic book readers doesn't actually want a deep or intriguingly artistic story, meaning that if they bought an X-Men comic that was with (what I feel as) merit they would feel how you feel now.
my issue is that it's been shown to be possible to write good comics while still catering to the lowest common demoninator. companies forget this.
Originally posted by -Pr-
my issue is that it's been shown to be possible to write good comics while still catering to the lowest common demoninator. companies forget this.
No they don't, it just costs more to make those sorts of comics and they're a bigger risk. Comics is a nearly margin business, similar to publishing books, and smart people just aren't an economically viable target for entertainment.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No they don't, it just costs more to make those sorts of comics and they're a bigger risk. Comics is a nearly margin business, similar to publishing books, and smart people just aren't an economically viable target for entertainment.
i don't see how it costs any more to make it. how are they a bigger risk? a comic that still attracts the 12 year old kid is going to make a lot of money.