Minato's Power Level

We all know he's dead at the start of the manga, ala Zack Fair in FF7. He was considered to be the strongest Hokage, but with the way the manga is right now, Akatsuki, Madara's return, the fourth Ninja war, powerful shinobi from different nations being introduced, the power strata in the Narutoverse changed a bit for me. Does anyone still consider Minato in the top 5?

Would he still be alive today if it was Madara himself who attacked Konoha all those years ago instead of the kyuubi? Would he have beaten the first to awaken the Mangekyo?

And on an entirely different matter, I agree with some of the posters saying that speed is the critical factor between Naruto and Bleach. Being Konoha's Yellow Flash, who in Bleach can he beat? 😛

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
We all know he's dead at the start of the manga, ala Zack Fair in FF7. He was considered to be the strongest Hokage, but with the way the manga is right now, Akatsuki, Madara's return, the fourth Ninja war, powerful shinobi from different nations being introduced, the power strata in the Narutoverse changed a bit for me. Does anyone still consider Minato in the top 5?

Would he still be alive today if it was Madara himself who attacked Konoha all those years ago instead of the kyuubi? Would he have beaten the first to awaken the Mangekyo?

And on an entirely different matter, I agree with some of the posters saying that speed is the critical factor between Naruto and Bleach. Being Konoha's Yellow Flash, who in Bleach can he beat? 😛

Well he stopped Kakashi after he first learnt chidori in a mere moment. The speed needed for Chidori is roughly the speed of Rock Lee weightless. And so we know he's much faster than that without his space/time jutsu.

Personally i haven't seen anyone in Naruto i think would beat a serious 4th Hokage.

Normally i think Bleach Characters >>>>> Naruto but when it comes to the 4th everything is vague. From what we know he in theory should be stronger than most bleach characters too. That is if you assume he can cut even without spiritual force.

Let's think... we know his space-time jutsu, which is not as good as Madara's... and his rasengan, which is not as good as Naruto's... And his speed which is unknown but what we have seen is no greater than Raikage...

His reputation places him very high but we have not seen enough showings to know how high.

I don't see why he is status would be changed. He was considered the strongest Hokage, and that really wouldn't change despite the spotlight Harishima is getting. Raikage, who people say is the fastest character seen, has to amp himself with his raiton shroud to be comparable to Minato's own speed. Having a sharingan user, who has a more advanced form of teleporting, and can phase through any attack, see through everything he does didn't really diminish him at all. Even after saying that he still stopped Madara from destroying Konoha, and possibly from obtaining the 10-tails power as only half the Kyuubi's chakra is sealed into Naruto.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Normally i think Bleach Characters >>>>> Naruto but when it comes to the 4th everything is vague. From what we know he in theory should be stronger than most bleach characters too. That is if you assume he can cut even without spiritual force.

Agreed. I would give Minato favorable odds against shinigami who rely on physical attacks ie Ikkaku, Hisagi, or Renji, and maybe a handful of kidou users as I think jutsu trumps kidou, basically those around vice captain class and lower end captains like......................Hitsugaya. (runs for cover from the Toshiro fanboys)

Originally posted by King Kandy
His reputation places him very high but we have not seen enough showings to know how high.

True.

Which makes him ever more intriguing...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
We all know he's dead at the start of the manga, ala Zack Fair in FF7. He was considered to be the strongest Hokage, but with the way the manga is right now, Akatsuki, Madara's return, the fourth Ninja war, powerful shinobi from different nations being introduced, the power strata in the Narutoverse changed a bit for me. Does anyone still consider Minato in the top 5?

Would he still be alive today if it was Madara himself who attacked Konoha all those years ago instead of the kyuubi? Would he have beaten the first to awaken the Mangekyo?

And on an entirely different matter, I agree with some of the posters saying that speed is the critical factor between Naruto and Bleach. Being Konoha's Yellow Flash, who in Bleach can he beat? 😛

He's definitely not the most powerful ninja we've seen. Madara was imo, more powerful than him. Perhaps even Nagato was. The Sage was more powerful than anyone we've seen.

His FTG technique is what contributed to his immense reputation. His speed may have been great, but I don't know the exact specifics. His FTG might have contributed to it.

To be honest, I don't know why he is considered above Hashirama or Sarutobi.

That said, in the end, Naruto is going to surpass Minato 😛.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Agreed. I would give Minato favorable odds against shinigami who rely on physical attacks ie Ikkaku, Hisagi, or Renji, and maybe a handful of kidou users as I think jutsu trumps kidou, basically those around vice captain class and lower end captains like......................Hitsugaya. (runs for cover from the Toshiro fanboys)

Toshiro isn't lower end 😐. Middle imo.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That said, in the end, Naruto is going to surpass Minato 😛.

Frankly, with Naruto achieving Toad Sage and surpassing Jiraiya whose had a lifetime of training in that mode, has already surpassed Minato power-wise, but not battle-wise imo. I believe Minato would open a can on Naruto in a straight up fight.

That said, would you still put Minato above Sasuke? 😖hifty: 😛

Minato would definately destroy Pain. And since even Madara himself has commented he is weaker than ever before, i don't see Madara beating the "Greatest Hokage" when the 1st whopped him hard.

Naruto has raw power in spades, but Minato is still something else.

And imo Toshiro is one of if not the weakest captain. I honestly see him as a weaker version of Byakuya. Balanced fighter type. But Toshiro lacks experience, feats of kido ability and his Zanpaktou isn't as broken.

None are above Sasuke backed by the plot.

Anyway.

What we know of his is little, but we know he has a powerful Time/Space jutsu, although Kakashi asserts that it is actually inferior to Madara's, and allegedly Raikage's top speed equals it (Somehow...). We know he possessed usage of at least the normal Rasengan, and in terms of normal speed is much faster than Rock Lee as EA said. He also had command over Gamabunta as a summon.

Also, the title of "strongest Hokage" seems to be disputed among some...Iruka for instance regarded the Third as the strongest, Madara considers the First the strongest, and I am pretty sure it was Jiraiya who said Minato was. They are all very powerful, although personally, I would consider the First the strongest, I find Madara to be a more reliable source than Iruka and equally as reliable to Jiraiya, and in the First's battle with the Kyuubi his Wood Release abilities were shown to be extraordinarily powerful, actually grappling with the Kyuubi IIRC.

Regardless, all three are some of the most powerful Shinobi to ever live, but on the topic of the Fourth, although personally I do not even think he is on a primed Madara's level, he is still easily in the top ten of the series most likely.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Minato would definately destroy Pain. And since even Madara himself has commented he is weaker than ever before, i don't see Madara beating the "Greatest Hokage" when the 1st whopped him hard.

Naruto has raw power in spades, but Minato is still something else.

And imo Toshiro is one of if not the weakest captain. I honestly see him as a weaker version of Byakuya. Balanced fighter type. But Toshiro lacks experience, feats of kido ability and his Zanpaktou isn't as broken.

I mean, sure it is possible, but to state it is a fact is ridiculous, we do not know Minato's full power.

Madara was a regular rival for the First, constantly battling, it was only the final battle that Madara was weakened.

Toshiro is one of the weakest captains, yeah.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why would Minato destroy Pain? 😬

I mean, sure it is possible, but to state it is a fact is ridiculous, we do not know Minato's full power.

Madara was a regular rival for the First, constantly battling, it was only the final battle that Madara was weakened.

Toshiro is one of the weakest captains, yeah.

Id say he might make it into the top 5 but without more feats we cant be sure. I dont see him beating nagato/pain at all. honestly looking at all pain/nagato did and considering that he was dying and extremely weakened while doing it, i dont see anyone aside the sage beating a prime nagato. Heck if he even came close to nagato hed probably have his chakra taken over.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Frankly, with Naruto achieving Toad Sage and surpassing Jiraiya whose had a lifetime of training in that mode, has already surpassed Minato power-wise, but not battle-wise imo. I believe Minato would open a can on Naruto in a straight up fight.

That said, would you still put Minato above Sasuke? 😖hifty: 😛

Naruto has surpassed Minato in some aspects: Stamina, chakra level, Rasengan's mastery.

Minato is just a better ninja though, one with a better rep, and one who can kick much more ass.

Hell no. Sharingan/HAX no jutsu pwns every fool that decides to go up against it 😏

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Minato would definately destroy Pain. And since even Madara himself has commented he is weaker than ever before, i don't see Madara beating the "Greatest Hokage" when the 1st whopped him hard.

Current Madara would lose, but not the Madara that faced Hashirama in their fights.

'Greatest hokage' =/= most powerful. It falls down to reputation as it was his FTG that helped them win the war.

Honestly, the third while very old took on Orochimaru and the 1st and the 2nd (although they didn't fight to full capacity imo) and still managed to win to a degree. He'd be above Minato while he was in his prime imo.

Hashirama took on a pissed off Madara in control of the Fox and won. (though for some reason, I think Madara's blind rage may have cost him the fight)

Going by feats, Minato isn't close as he hasn't shown a lot. All we have is his reputation and a few statements to be honest.

I also find Raikage's top speed = Minato's kinda hard to believe. FTG might have contributed to this again, as I don't think the opposing countries knew the secret behind it and probably just attributed it to pure speed.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Simply because if his Jutsu works as i recall, he can move between his special kunai using his time/space jutsu then there's nothing i've seen of Pain to make an argument he could beat that.

FTG is a godsend of a jutsu when up against a squadron or such. Not so much against a small squad and even less when up against a single opponent. His best shot is to KO each Pain with each teleport but that might be easier said than done.

Besides, doesn't he have to place the kunai's or something like that?

Originally posted by NemeBro
None are above Sasuke backed by the plot.

Anyway.

What we know of his is little, but we know he has a powerful Time/Space jutsu, although Kakashi asserts that it is actually inferior to Madara's, and allegedly Raikage's top speed equals it (Somehow...). We know he possessed usage of at least the normal Rasengan, and in terms of normal speed is much faster than Rock Lee as EA said. He also had command over Gamabunta as a summon.

Also, the title of "strongest Hokage" seems to be disputed among some...Iruka for instance regarded the Third as the strongest, Madara considers the First the strongest, and I am pretty sure it was Jiraiya who said Minato was. They are all very powerful, although personally, I would consider the First the strongest, I find Madara to be a more reliable source than Iruka and equally as reliable to Jiraiya, and in the First's battle with the Kyuubi his Wood Release abilities were shown to be extraordinarily powerful, actually grappling with the Kyuubi IIRC.

Regardless, all three are some of the most powerful Shinobi to ever live, but on the topic of the Fourth, although personally I do not even think he is on a primed Madara's level, he is still easily in the top ten of the series most likely.

Madara's control and variety with S/T justu is better. That's probably what Kakashi meant. So in a way, he is actually better.

Hyperbole on Shi's part, amirite? FTG can theoretically cover more ground in the same time than Raikage could as it's a teleport. Also, Raikage's top speed is above Minato's top speed (non-FTG) imo.

I'm with you on the First and Madara (they were regarded as equals iirc, and I think Madara lost the last battle as he was blinded by rage), but I honestly think the Third in his prime was better than Minato in his prime 😬. The Third we've seen in the fight against Orochimaru is probably lower than Minato.

the First defeated Madara because he possesed something more powerful than the sharingan, teh uber will of fire...

i don't think Minato is more powerful than the 1st Hokage or Madara..maybe he's around Itachi level..

Minato is still in the top 10 I believe.

He is weaker than Third Hokage (at his prime), Madara (FP), Harashima, Nagato, and Rikudou-Sennin.
And eventually, Narutard.

Shodai Hokage was stronger than Minato, since he beat Madara and the Kyuubi and didn't die doing so

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Shodai Hokage was stronger than Minato, since he beat Madara and the Kyuubi and didn't die doing so

Hashirama had a handy kekkai genkai that could control and suppress the kyuubi, Minato had to do things the hard way by contracting a ****ing god to do the job for him.