Originally posted by NemeBro
...Excuse me? You directly insult me and my intelligence and when I get angry you tell me to calm down? How's about this, don't insult me over a debate about Naruto, kay? I will admit however that I still snapped at you, and I apologise for it.I know, because of the seal on Yamato's hand that was able to drain the chakra of the Kyuubi, I am not completel sure what your scans are intending to disprove. I am well aware of why Yamato was assigned Kakashi's temp. Also, whether the jutsu he used when Naruto's clone went Kyuubi drained him or not, it was clearly not a normal Wood Release like the roots ensnaring Kyuubi.
Just because Yamato could not do it does not mean the Shodaime cannot, that would be like saying because Killer Bee took a punch from Sasuke he can take a punch from Hulk. Your scans did not outright state that Wood Release has a level of control over the Biju, as a matter of fact, the technique used to subdue the Kyuubi has a name, "Hokage-style Sixty-year-old Technique - Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-bringing Hands" (Why the name is so long is anyone's guess), that was what subdued Kyuubi, Wood Release has never been stated to have a degree of control over Biju, in fact, in the very scans you posted Yamato attributes it to Naruto's pendant.
Rear right leg has one tendril around it, the front right has two wrapping, and another is beginning to wrap around its torso, and Kyuubi is clearly struggling. Also, you are thinking of Wood Release jutsus as mere "trees," that is not true, in the same way Haku's jutsus were not merely ice, or Kimimaro's jutsus not merely bones, they are infused with chakra, granting them strength beyond a mere tree.
I directly questioned the intelligence of anyone who would make a bold accusation with as little backing as you gave. Yes. However that was not personal to you. Your response was personalised towards me. That is what i will not tolerate Nemebro.
I am also getting bored with your argument.
Provide proof Shodaime's wood jutsu possess more power than Chibaku Tensei. Kyuubi 8 tails ripped itself out of this technique which to-date boasts the greatest holding power.
Your scan is worthless. It is a single image that from your interpretation showing the Shodaime ensnaring the Kyuubi. However i have provided scans of this being done on a much weaker Kyuubi and it failing. Also note Yamato's strength to the Shodaime vs 4 tails strength to the 9 cannot be measured reasonably, so there is no logic in claiming Shodaime's so much more powerful his works even though Yamato's didn't.
To be exact
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
Is comparable to
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/10/
As in both images one might interprete the Kyuubi is being ensared.
When the result is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/14/
You cannot prove the Kyuubi was unable to break out of it.
You claim it's struggling. What part of the raging Fox demon to you indicates it's in any way struggling? Either way your answer is down to interpretation. Not fact, you don't have enough resources to prove what you're trying to claim.
The scan i provided with Yamato talking about his power states something your seem to have overlooked
"In Konoha I'm the only one who can use it because i was compatible with Shodai-sama's cells. The power to control the Kyuubi's Chakra. I can't use it as well as the original Shodai-sama since I'm just an experimental copy"
You are correct when you say Yamato can only do this with that necklace. But not the Shodaime. Why?
Because it is said he had several Bijuu's as pets. Now unless they each themselves had one of these necklaces (unlikely) it's not a requirement for this power. The necklace is only an amplifier.
I accept it is not specifically stated it is the wood element jutsu that allows the control over the Bijuu's but the only two none-sharingan weilders to display this power have said element. And in the training for the Rasen-shuriken in the anime you can clearly see Yamato's wood jutsu dissipate the Kyuubi's chakra. Yes the clone was destroyed but after the chakra was dealt with.