Minato's Power Level

I thought Oro. was discovered doing his experiments when he was in his 20s? And that's when Sarutobi wanted to give the mantle over.

Minato would have either not been born yet or be a small child. No way he could have become hokage at the age. Sarutobi just kept the title for another 15-20 years,and handed it over when he was in his...what....50s?

Then, that puts Sarutobi nicely in his late 60s when he fought Oro during he Konoha invasion.

In fact, I think in the anime, when Sarutobi is doing his flash back, he mentions something about waiting another decade or two before finally finding a worthy successor.

Like I said, another can become Hokage without necessarily being stronger.

The Third wanted to retire, and needed an active Hokage.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Is that right?

I thought i recalled him becoming Hokage during the war. Well, not exactly an important detail.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought Oro. was discovered doing his experiments when he was in his 20s? And that's when Sarutobi wanted to give the mantle over.

Minato would have either not been born yet or be a small child. No way he could have become hokage at the age. Sarutobi just kept the title for another 15-20 years,and handed it over when he was in his...what....50s?

Then, that puts Sarutobi nicely in his late 60s when he fought Oro during he Konoha invasion.

In fact, I think in the anime, when Sarutobi is doing his flash back, he mentions something about waiting another decade or two before finally finding a worthy successor.

Sarutobi gave it up in his fifties most likely, he was just shy of 70 I believe when he fought Oro.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Passing over Hokage to someone else during war means allot. Let's suppose you are correct just for this example's sake. Why else would he do it? Minato is wiser? smarter? a better tactition? I cannot think of a reason that doesn't mean Minato is in atleast one way better. And Tbh i said Sarutobi has no feats of being able to counter FTG, and so far you nor Nemebro have given me one.

He was retiring. That would mean that he was getting weaker or would like to get away from the hustle of being Hokage, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Minato was overall better than him.
Though fair enough, Minato may have been better than him in some areas when he took over.

It's a teleport and a strike as far as I can recall. One with sufficient reflexes can stop his strikes. He is also limited to where a seal is and a small area close to it apparently.

The only reason we don't have feats that counter it is because we've not seen much of it in use. I mean, Minato could form a Rasengan and then teleport to hit his enemy, but it's not a feat is it? At least, I don't think it is >__>

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Simple, Minato did not surpass them.
Yeah, well as great as that might be in your head it doesn't mean anything. The fourth was the greatest Hokage of all. They teach it at Konoga academy, and the third was present. So... go figure.

Again, greatest =/= most powerful. The 4th saved the village from the Fox. Of course he would be praised as the greatest.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
None of those had those exact words said about them. They are all geniuses. But not of the Fourth's Calibur.

So now, by your need for words, Sarutobi was praised as the 'god of Shinobi,' while Minato wasn't praised as the 'god of shinobi' or something greater, and you think of him to be greater than Sarutobi?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Itachi was Anbu Captain at the age of 13. Sasuke's got nothing on him.

I said when it came to usage of techniques or rather techniques. Sasuke being able to mold Amaterasu like he did would not be better than Itachi's usage of it? He's expanded on Chidori similar to how Naruto has expanded on the Rasengan.

Originally posted by Kento
😛 Yea, only Orochimaru can beat a person with the Will Of Fire, not some hax-eye Uchiha.

😆

😛 Sasuke's genius is overthrown by Neji.

He wanted said hax-eyes. He knows it's the only way to truly beat the will of fire 😛.

Not in part 2. Sasuke leaves Neji coughing in the dust 😛.

To illustrate the third's genius:

He was called the "God of Shinobi" for his power, the "The Professor" for his vast knowledge and innovations on Jutsu in general, he was the longest reigning Hokage in history, and was undefeated until his sacrifice against Orochimaru.

Neji is overrated as far as being a genius goes...Other than his admittedly impressive abilities with Jyuuken, what does he have? Most of the other "geniuses" are called such due to their masteries or at least proficiency with several forms of Shinobi combat. Plus Neji sucks.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought Oro. was discovered doing his experiments when he was in his 20s? And that's when Sarutobi wanted to give the mantle over.

He wanted to give it over quite a bit before. He wanted to give it to Orochimaru. Then he decided to give it to Minato. That's when Orochimaru stopped being discreet and was found out.

That's how I remember it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He wanted said hax-eyes. He knows it's the only way to truly beat the will of fire 😛.

Not in part 2. Sasuke leaves Neji coughing in the dust 😛.

Sasuke was handed power-up after power-up to get stronger. 😛 Neji was learning clan moves that his part of the family wasn't even suppose to be learning, and without being taught.

Originally posted by Kento
No, he just wanted to cheat to learn super jutsu, he knew that hax-eyes alone were no match for the will of fire.

Sasuke was handed power-up after power-up to get stronger. 😛 Neji was learning clan moves that his part of the family wasn't even suppose to be learning, and without being taught.

DAAAMMMMNNNNN, you got me there 😛

That's part 1. In part 2, all he does is beat his clone and refuse a piggy-back ride 😛.
Sasuke uses said power-up efficiently (for the most part) 😛. Takes a genius to use a weapon he has not used before as proficiently as he does.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
DAAAMMMMNNNNN, you got me there 😛

That's part 1. In part 2, all he does is beat his clone and refuse a piggy-back ride 😛.
Sasuke uses said power-up efficiently (for the most part) 😛. Takes a genius to use a weapon he has not used before as proficiently as he does.

That's only because he got no screen time just like every other character not Sasuke or Naruto. Well obviously Sasuke's a genius being best in class, 😛 doesn't mean he's the genius of his generation I still say that belongs to Neji.

Incorrect.

That belongs to Naruto.

Being able to learn Sage Mode in a week is such a ridiculous over the top feat he might as well take the Third's title of The Professor.

Originally posted by Kento
lol

That's only because he got no screen time just like every other character not Sasuke or Naruto. Well obviously Sasuke's a genius being best in class, 😛 doesn't mean he's the genius of his generation I still say that belongs to Neji.

More screen-time would make no difference, and you know it 😛.

~ We've been acting gay by posting like this 😛. Ahh well, still kinda fun.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Incorrect.

That belongs to Naruto.

Being able to learn Sage Mode in a week is such a ridiculous over the top feat he might as well take the Third's title of The Professor.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
More screen-time would make no difference, and you know it 😛.

~ We've been acting gay by posting like this 😛. Ahh well, still kinda fun.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, because Pain TOTALLY didn't have several advantages in his fight right? Pain started the fight weakened and had prep for the fight, not even counting how the plot held Naruto's hand through the entire fight. Not a credible example. Pain's Deva Realm alone is above the level of a very powerful Jounin like Kakashi, hell, in his fight with Naruto he did most of the fighting. Where? When he thought he was some destined child of prophecy and because he possessed the Rinnegan, which I am pretty sure he said was a Divine gift. He hyped him more. I am not saying Pain is definately stronger, but to say that the Yondaime HAS to be more powerful based on one technique he has is ludicrous.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

We can clearly see wooden tendrils of the First grappling around the Kyuubi's right legs (Both of them) and beginning to do so with its torso. Kyuubi is also visibly struggling. Make sure you are actually right before you insult my intelligence next time. Oh, and Chibaku Tensei is not an actual black hole, obviously.

One way? No, Kakashi was speaking that Naruto is the only one who can surpass the Yondaime, present tense, he did not say that Naruto will be the only one who has ever been more powerful than the Yondaime, he was speaking in terms of the present, and on limited information.

It means he not only does not need markings, no hand seals, nothing, he does it with a thought. Keep in mind this is a WEAKENED Madara, who Madara himself describes as powerless. I know he can perceive things around it, and yes, I agree he does not need to literally teleport on the mark, but in its general area.

Yeah, I proved that. Seriously, I would have hoped you would not have jumped to insulting me before even seeing my proof.

Well hence why IMO naruto beating pain was PIS. Pain isn't stronger for a number of reasons, FTG is just a damn good one.

I bet using wood element to wrestle with the god demon of fire is a great strategy. But unfortunately you're misinterpreting that image.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/329/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/16/

It seems wood element on contact has power over the 9 tails. Yamato tried to wrestle the 4 tails. Okay, Yamato is a hella lot weaker the the first, granted, but 4 tails is allot weaker than 9, AND yamato has gripped allot more of the body than the first and look what happens

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/14/

Doesn't work. You cannot physically restrain something like that. So the notion the first did is idiotic and i will question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that's true. It's retarded.

It's black, it has such suction it was ripping the earth out of the ground itself. It's a black hole. Saying it isn't is just being terminologically petty. If it makes you feel more comfortable you can call it a localized gravitational collapse jutsu. But I'm calling it a black hole, live with it 😬

I just checked, he says "Only you can surpass the fourth Hokage" there's no tense to that. It's a declaritive statement. You are picking at straws if that's the arguement you're putting up.

I knew what your 'proof' would be, hence why i told you it was an idoitic notion. You've known me for how long? You still think i'd make that kind of a claim without knowing what you're on about?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He was retiring. That would mean that he was getting weaker or would like to get away from the hustle of being Hokage, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Minato was overall better than him.
Though fair enough, Minato may have been better than him in some areas when he took over.

It's a teleport and a strike as far as I can recall. One with sufficient reflexes can stop his strikes. He is also limited to where a seal is and a small area close to it apparently.

The only reason we don't have feats that counter it is because we've not seen much of it in use. I mean, Minato could form a Rasengan and then teleport to hit his enemy, but it's not a feat is it? At least, I don't think it is >__>

Again, greatest =/= most powerful. The 4th saved the village from the Fox. Of course he would be praised as the greatest.

So now, by your need for words, Sarutobi was praised as the 'god of Shinobi,' while Minato wasn't praised as the 'god of shinobi' or something greater, and you think of him to be greater than Sarutobi?

I said when it came to usage of techniques or rather techniques. Sasuke being able to mold Amaterasu like he did would not be better than Itachi's usage of it? He's expanded on Chidori similar to how Naruto has expanded on the Rasengan.

I'm sure the guy who chose to suffer in agony for all of eternity for Konoha would also retire even if it meant replacing himself with someone less fitting for the job. *cough*

Close proximity could be anything from a few feet to several meters, which is allot when it comes to battle. Sufficient reflexes? the guy can teleport with a kunai at your throat. Even if you by mircale counter it, he could just do it while you're in mid counters and lop your head off then.

What do you want? prep? That's one of the reasons it's so powerful. No one has seen or fought against anything like it. You don't survive that kind of ability.

You don't know that is why they call him the greatest. Personally, this is just how i see it. But when a serious threat comes along and someone wishes the Fourth were still alive, i'm inclined to think they'd feel safer if that person were Alive. Meaning that person is more powerful.

Impressive title. So what? He was killed by a Shinobi so his title was perhaps less deserving that it seems don't you think? I mean, you don't hear of how the god of lightning got killed by electrocution do you?

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Impressive title. So what? He was killed by a Shinobi so his title was perhaps less deserving that it seems don't you think? I mean, you don't hear of how the god of lightning got killed by electrocution do you?

Originally posted by Kento
While I do think Minato was better, Sarutobi was called a God amongst Shinobi when he was younger, he was weakened by old age against Orochimaru. He could have killed Orochimaru back the first time they fought after all. Saru's strength during the Sound/Sand invasion holds no real value to how he was when he first got the any of his titles.

I was just mocking the title itself. Afterall that is all it is.

The professor i get, understandable. But the God of Shinobi is ridiculous no matter when it was given him 😬

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I was just mocking the title itself. Afterall that is all it is.

The professor i get, understandable. But the God of Shinobi is ridiculous no matter when it was given him 😬

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I was just mocking the title itself. Afterall that is all it is.

The professor i get, understandable. But the God of Shinobi is ridiculous no matter when it was given him 😬

This, I agree with. Only the Sage can be called that with any degree of accuracy. I believe he was called that because he never lost a battle/fight before. Neither did Yondaime. On top of that, Yondaime went to the grave, undefeated....so he has one up on Sarutobi.