Siege: Invasion of Asgard [ Disscssion Thread]

Started by roughrider63 pages

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
I think he has greater potential as a villain ... Love him or hate him, Superboy Prime has had a massive effect on D.C. I don't nessarily think having a big uber bad of this ilk would be a bad thing for Marvel.

And although I haven't read the most recent DA book,s the previews/reviews certinaly insinuate that Bendis is retconning him into a Villain.

Its quite ammusing how much of a salviging job this seems to be. I presume Bendis re-introduced Sentry back into continuity, to fullfill the Thor niche on the original New Avengers team. I think he had every intention of making him into the new Thor, hence the storyline where Emma fixes his delicate mental state. But Bendis in experience as a teams writer, and House of M, meant Sentry had to be relegated to the side lines for a long while. Plus Bendis had to develop his Skrull plotline, which included a lot of Hydra and Shield espinonage, instead of End of the world castrophes; that Sentry would be more suited at.
Eventually a crisis did come along with that Xorn Collective thing from M- Day, but Bendis had to explain why the Sentry had been missing for so long.
So he played the Insanity card again, and has been doing so through out Civil War, The Intiative, Secret War and now Dark Avengers. I think he originally had every intention of making him into a mentally Strong; Superman esq character, but the enigma shrouding his powers, and character, plus the storylines Bendis was motivated to complete meant he never got the personality devlopment he required. Bendis knows that Sentry characterisation is flondering in the realms of ambiguity, and with Marvel pressing the reunion of the Trinity, there's no real need for him ... So to make him relevant, and to get the fanboy fight that evryone has been crying out for; Bendis has decided to make him the Superboy Prime of the piece. Uber powerful, corrupted, mentally unstable transitional heroe, whose going to turn everyone at the worst moment !

I don't think Sentry was ever supposed to replace Thor permanently, because Thor wasn't going to away permanently.
And I doubt Sentry was supposed to reach some kind of potential that would make him Marvel's true answer to Superman. Superman's place in DC is replicated in different ways by a number of Marvel (Earth 616)characters - Thor, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Gladiator.
Sentry's hook from the start was - as John Romita Jr. put it - "A Superman with feet of clay." His mental instability is always going to be part of him.
Plus, I believe Marvel has already played the SBP card twice with the Scarlet Witch. I think it's more likely Sentry recognizes the threat he's become and goes away - maybe even doing the memory spell he pulled before.

Originally posted by outavodka
yes sir. Under his rule everything is wonky. FRIKIN SHOT IN THE DARK HERE...ID RATHER ANYONE ELSE as head of marvel

I wouldn't say that. Marvel has been a much more interesting place this decade than the last one (so much of the 1990's sucked.) And he's got great talent working under him.

Originally posted by roughrider
I don't think Sentry was ever supposed to replace Thor permanently, because Thor wasn't going to away permanently.
And I doubt Sentry was supposed to reach some kind of potential that would make him Marvel's true answer to Superman. Superman's place in DC is replicated in different ways by a number of Marvel (Earth 616)characters - Thor, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Gladiator.
Sentry's hook from the start was - as John Romita Jr. put it - "A Superman with feet of clay." His mental instability is always going to be part of him.
Plus, I believe Marvel has already played the SBP card twice with the Scarlet Witch. I think it's more likely Sentry recognizes the threat he's become and goes away - maybe even doing the memory spell he pulled before.
technically the SBP card hasnt been played as of yet till sentry loses it and does the whole "i tried to be the best hero blah blah song and dance" during Siege im so sure the Void is gona come out and the trinity will put such an ass whoopin and maybe Bucky will pass away im hoping because its the heroic age coming up. no death in the trinity heres hoping its Sentry tho hes been lacking character for years.

Originally posted by roughrider
I wouldn't say that. Marvel has been a much more interesting place this decade than the last one (so much of the 1990's sucked.) And he's got great talent working under him.
well you got a point there its just i cant help feeling its not even character development/evolution but competing with D.C with death dark stories twist etc.

Originally posted by outavodka
technically the SBP card hasnt been played as of yet till sentry loses it and does the whole "i tried to be the best hero blah blah song and dance" during Siege im so sure the Void is gona come out and the trinity will put such an ass whoopin and maybe Bucky will pass away im hoping because its the heroic age coming up. no death in the trinity heres hoping its Sentry tho hes been lacking character for years.

i feel like void is a kinda of force like the phoenix force...it seems like bob is just an avatar of it...maybe bob will die and the void will wonder to somebody else

Originally posted by bbrem123
i feel like void is a kinda of force like the phoenix force...it seems like bob is just an avatar of it...maybe bob will die and the void will wonder to somebody else
Scary thought because of who it would possibly posses. Remember Strange lost power, Wanda's been missing, Exodus went on some pilgrimage. If it does happen il remember you called it first

Originally posted by bbrem123
i feel like void is a kinda of force like the phoenix force...it seems like bob is just an avatar of it...maybe bob will die and the void will wonder to somebody else

Oh #$%# no if it turns out the Void is really the Goblin Force.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dark Wolverine 82 is out.

Awful stuff, just plain garbage. It's essentially Loeb's the Hulk, only instead of everybody being weaker than Daken, they're all weaker and gay.

It's nothing like Loeb's Hulk, at all. I didn't see Daken stomping on anyone unreasonably and punching out Uatu, I saw him cut off a few limbs in the heat of battle.

What I don't get is why

Spoiler:
Daken is being touted as the new bringer of Ragnarok or whatever. I mean, we've got a potentially very good twist with The Sentry, we've got Loki and The Hood's interactions which haven't even been revisited yet, and now we've got another prophetic character in the mix[/quote]. Don't get me wrong, if it works out I'll be fine, I just don't see where they're going with it. Though I did like the juxtaposition of [spoiler]Daken narrating about how he controls everyone, only to essentially be fated to do something himself by those Norse goddesses. It was interesting
.

Also, the "gay" stuff. The somewhat homosexual overtones didn't bother me. I don't understand why they were there, but if you wanna f*ck with someone's mind and make them uncomfortable, there's usually no better way than that.

-AC

Right on AC! 👆

What shown in Dark Wolverine 82, could just be "What If" carnation.

Daken enticing/controlled personality in his own comic, which score points w/ me, but I dislike how he was portray easily as berserker in other Dark Reign issues. These writers seriously need to invite each other for dinner & have a chat. 😛

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Dark Wolverine 82 is out.

Awful stuff, just plain garbage. It's essentially Loeb's the Hulk, only instead of everybody being weaker than Daken, they're all weaker and gay.

Tell me about it...
Plus asgardians turned out to be the worst kind fodder.
Having read the book one might feel that osborn could have taken asgard by himself.

and all this after the crazy Volstagg durability feat.

total crap.

oh and bone claws breaking normans armor?
not cool

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Also, the "gay" stuff. The somewhat homosexual overtones didn't bother me. I don't understand why they were there, but if you wanna f*ck with someone's mind and make them uncomfortable, there's usually no better way than that.

-AC

Daken is bi that's not a joke. Fraction even pointed it out in Utopia.

Originally posted by Warlord
Tell me about it...
Plus asgardians turned out to be the worst kind fodder.
Having read the book one might feel that osborn could have taken asgard by himself.

and all this after the crazy Volstagg durability feat.

total crap.

oh and bone claws breaking normans armor?
not cool

The bone claws didn't break Norman's armour, Daken used the Muramasa Claw on his left hand to punch through the armour.

And yeah, Asgardians being fodder after pretty much eery character in the Siege books has been all 'OH NOES GODS' and saying it's suicide mission just seems strange. Although, some writers might stick to them not being fodder, in the Avengers Initiative preview it has soemone stating the normal gods are as tough as Spiderman...

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
The bone claws didn't break Norman's armour, Daken used the Muramasa Claw on his left hand to punch through the armour.

And yeah, Asgardians being fodder after pretty much eery character in the Siege books has been all 'OH NOES GODS' and saying it's suicide mission just seems strange. Although, some writers might stick to them not being fodder, in the Avengers Initiative preview it has soemone stating the normal gods are as tough as Spiderman...

Well considering that Athena believes that the so called "Gods" are no different from the Marvels I have no problem with that.

still on one instance Volstagg can take the U Foes' blast that destroyed a stadium while other asgardians that are no different than him got decapitated by a single repulsor blast from osborns in Dar Wolverine 83

crap

Originally posted by Warlord
still on one instance Volstagg can take the U Foes' blast that destroyed a stadium while other asgardians that are no different than him got decapitated by a single repulsor blast from osborns in Dar Wolverine 83

crap

Maybe it has something to do with the bulk, he could apparently lift 50 tons in his prime and now it's only 35 tons according to the Thor/Herc Encyclopedia.

And I'm not sure if that scene in Dark Wolverine even happened or is an alternate reality.

You guys are obviously forgetting how big Volstagg's dick is. He's a notch above the rest.

Originally posted by Warlord
still on one instance Volstagg can take the U Foes' blast that destroyed a stadium while other asgardians that are no different than him got decapitated by a single repulsor blast from osborns in Dar Wolverine 83

crap

Volstagg's is above normal asgardian IMO (Warrior Three homie!), but there a plot there during U-foes, their mission was to create premise for Siege or could of been feat for Volstagg's to reflect there attacks. 😛

honesstly hope thats not how it happens

Originally posted by vansonbee
Volstagg's is above normal asgardian IMO (Warrior Three homie!), but there a plot there during U-foes, their mission was to create premise for Siege or could of been feat for Volstagg's to reflect there attacks. 😛

still he was able to deflect/tank power enough to destroy a stadium.
and in Dark Wolverine asgardians were chopped by bone claws (not the enhanced masamura claw) and decapitated by repulsor blasts.

they shouldn't have been hyped as the ultimate enemy by Osborn if that's the case

I agree. By the looks of it, Norman could've handled this invasion single-handedly.