Originally posted by h1a8lol
Prove that it is harder than true adamantium. Because enchanted Uru has been damaged more times than true adamantium.
btw mjolnir been tested more than adamantium
and destroyer armor aint made of uru anyway!
Originally posted by King KandyUsing your argument the Destroyer is weaker than enchanted Uru since Mjolnir damaged it physically.
Mjolnir has dented pure adamantium before.And the Destroyer is much harder than enchanted Uru, anyway.
But no! A less harder object can easily dent a harder object if the Surface area of the less harder is small enough and it is thick enough. For example I could dent a thin steel plate with my fist (knuckle) and have broken through brick slabs with mere slaps (I studied martial arts a long time ago). Mjolnir was thicker and had a smaller surface area than Cap's shield. Thus it is possible for it to dent it without it being stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
Using your argument the Destroyer is weaker than enchanted Uru since Mjolnir damaged it physically.But no! A less harder object can easily dent a harder object if the Surface area of the less harder is small enough and it is thick enough. For example I could dent a thin steel plate with my fist (knuckle) and have broken through brick slabs with mere slaps (I studied martial arts a long time ago). Mjolnir was thicker and had a smaller surface area than Cap's shield. Thus it is possible for it to dent it without it being stronger.
You do not understand how these things work. Hardness is defined by the ability to resist structural damage by lower substances. For instance Topaz can scratch Emerald, but Emerald cannot scratch Topaz without damage to it's own structure. That's the big difference between lesser hardness, it can damage higher substances but will be damaged itself in the process... only a higher substance can scratch a lower one without any structural damage.
Originally posted by King KandyThat is why it is called enchanted Uru. And it was by purely physical force that Mjolnir done this. If Destroyer was stronger then Mjolnir would have broke upon impact (by your argument).
When was the destroyer damaged by mjolnir not enhanced by some extra power?
We are not talking about scratching things but denting and tearing them. Is my knuckle harder than steel plate? If no, then why can I dent it? Good try though.You do not understand how these things work. Hardness is defined by the ability to resist structural damage by lower substances. For instance Topaz can scratch Emerald, but Emerald cannot scratch Topaz without damage to it's own structure. That's the big difference between lesser hardness, it can damage higher substances but will be damaged itself in the process... only a higher substance can scratch a lower one without any structural damage.
Originally posted by h1a8destroyers different cuz the armors way thinner then mjolnir. its like a thick piece of iron can punch through a steel sheet, same thing
Using your argument the Destroyer is weaker than enchanted Uru since Mjolnir damaged it physically.But no! A less harder object can easily dent a harder object if the Surface area of the less harder is small enough and it is thick enough. For example I could dent a thin steel plate with my fist (knuckle) and have broken through brick slabs with mere slaps (I studied martial arts a long time ago). Mjolnir was thicker and had a smaller surface area than Cap's shield. Thus it is possible for it to dent it without it being stronger.
but caps sheild is VERY thick in the middle, as thick as mjolnir if u look carefuly
so then why dint mjolnir break in 2 when it collide with the sheild? (like it broke in 2 when it collide with 2 other enchanted uru weapons, it made a frakkin huge nucular boom) u tell me
Originally posted by Naija boy
I never stated that the durability of the probe didnt contribute to that of the armour. I stated that the durability of the probe wasnt equal to that of armour, a claim which i stand by.I understand the circumstances of dianas ko. But that doesnt change the fact that if she had indeed used her speed, it would have made for a very different fight. She would have been able to defeat the probe much faster as well as escape the ensuing explosion. Similarly i know that wally doesnt use IMPs regularly but superman doesnt fight in the same manner he fought the probes regularly either. Thats exactly the point. Wally was clearly not fighting to the best of his ability while superman was. The same goes for Jonn who could have efficiently combined his powers like phasing,speed and invisibility but didnt. Indeed the probes were smacking down teams of heroes, however if the individuals within thiose teams had used their powers as efficiently as superman used his it would have made for very different outcomes.
Yes clark was operating on a higher level as he was using his powers to the fullest. The characters we are comparing him to however were clearly not using theirs to the fullest within the same scenarios. Therefore there it is definitely faulty to use their fight against the imperiex probes to suggest that clark at that point and consequently doomsday were >>>>than the rest of the JLA combined, as one set were using their powers to the fullest (clark and doomsday) while the others were not (JLA).
we're just gonna go round in circles, aren't we...
just to clarify, i'm not stating that doomsday would win. not in the slightest. i don't know enough about the destroyer armour to make an educated guess. i honestly think you're way off about owaw, though.
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) the heroes the imperiex probe owned were defending earth. to assume they were half-ass fighting goes against their very nature. furthermore, most of the heroes involved in that saga were written quite uber - for instance, that's the same arc kyle held a big bang in, etc.b.) keep in mind that along with the heroes previously mentioned, darkseid and the whole of apokolips, mongul and the whole of war world, zod and his guard, etc. were easily swatted to the side by probes.
c.) during "doomsday wars" [which took place roughly 3-4 years before OWAW], doomsday collectively owned kyle, flash, orion /w/ astro force, j'onn, dianna, plastic man, superman, etc. with a ridiculous amount of ease. thus, it's perfectly logical to assume he was >> the combined JLA, based on previously established feats.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
we're just gonna go round in circles, aren't we...just to clarify, i'm not stating that doomsday would win. not in the slightest. i don't know enough about the destroyer armour to make an educated guess. i honestly think you're way off about owaw, though.
Meh, ur certainly entitled to ur opinion. I dont think im way off at all though. im pointin out clear inequalities present in the two scenarios which make their use as criteria for comparing levels of power faulty..
But we will just have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Meh, ur certainly entitled to ur opinion. I dont think im way off at all though. im pointin out clear inequalities present in the two scenarios which make their use as criteria for comparing levels of power faulty..But we will just have to agree to disagree.
aye. you see inequalities, i don't, lol...
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
destroyers different cuz the armors way thinner then mjolnir.
proof?
but caps sheild is VERY thick in the middle, as thick as mjolnir if u look carefuly
hysterical
one of the most ridiculous posts in kmc history . . .
moving on. i've personally always likened the destroyer's beam to the OE. everyone knows how the OE fared. question becomes could DD harm the destroyer. less sure of that. we know the armor CAN be damaged and destroyed if sufficient force is exerted. we know that when it was briefly distracted in a battle with thor, thor himself (with his hammer) ko'd it (thor 221-222 iirc). we also know about the probes and how they were handled by dd though imo probes/destroyer aren't truly analogous. the only difference i see is that the destroyer has a weakness that MIGHT somehow be exploited by dd, whereas dd HAS no such weakness. could dd adapt to find a way to attack the host? he hasn't shown such an ability exactly, but i don't think it out of the realm of reason. 😬
i guess i'd say dd/destroyer are pretty damn close and anyone who thinks one of them is 'clearly' superior to the other, doesn't really know both characters very well. or just doesn't like one. (anti-fanboys are even worse than fanboys . . .)
Originally posted by leonidas
proof?hysterical
moving on. i've personally always likened the destroyer's beam to the OE. everyone knows how the OE fared. question becomes could DD harm the destroyer. less sure of that. we know the armor CAN be damaged and destroyed if sufficient force is exerted. we know that when it was briefly distracted in a battle with thor, thor himself (with his hammer) ko'd it (thor 221-222 iirc).
Thor didnt actually KO it though. he just knocked it down and then the host managed to escape back into his own body. Assuming were dealing with a host that is willfully controlling it then its a different story,
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor didnt actually KO it though. he just knocked it down and then the host managed to escape back into his own body. Assuming were dealing with a host that is willfully controlling it then its a different story,
hmm, that's rather open to interpretation. 😬
if it wasn't ko'd or at least incapacitated in SOME manner, how did the host escape from it?
Originally posted by h1a8You are ignoring the context behind the feat as usual not that you read it.
Using your argument the Destroyer is weaker than enchanted Uru since Mjolnir damaged it physically.But no! A less harder object can easily dent a harder object if the Surface area of the less harder is small enough and it is thick enough. For example I could dent a thin steel plate with my fist (knuckle) and have broken through brick slabs with mere slaps (I studied martial arts a long time ago). Mjolnir was thicker and had a smaller surface area than Cap's shield. Thus it is possible for it to dent it without it being stronger.
Originally posted by leonidaslol yeah your the one whose sayin that so-call "legendary" weapon is weaker then somethin thats mass-produce on earth yeah man that make sense
proof?hysterical
one of the most ridiculous posts in kmc history . . .
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
lol yeah your the one whose sayin that so-call "legendary" weapon is weaker then somethin thats mass-produce on earth yeah man that make sense
that is STILL the stuidest argument i've ever encountered in the KMC. the hammer is harder than the shield because it was made in asgard and the shield was made on earth! 😆 😆 😆
BRILLIANT! 😱
man u rilly hate Marvel lol why dont u say the writers are a bunch of dum****s while your at it 😂
actually, by implying the hammer>shield JUST BECAUSE THE SHIELD WAS MADE IN ASGARD 😆 YOU'RE the one saying the writers are all stupid!! why? because anytime a piece of earth science/tech does something GREATER than what anything fashioned in asgard has done, you think the writers are wrong, genius!
asgard is just another world in the universe. not the greatest, not the least.
earth science is AT LEAST a match for asgardian science or magic. it's been shown too many times to count. hell, doom's armor stole the power of the friggin BEYONDER!! you're still hilarious . . .
btw--the shield is a one-of-a-kind and has never been duplicated let alone mass-produced.
and where is the proof the destroyer armor is thin, again? and where is your proof that the shield is as thick as the hammer in the middle? we all wait for your utterly ludicrous reply . . .
Originally posted by leonidasno but your making crapiest argument by sayin teh writers made a unique weapon ALL 4 NOTHING (since its weaker then somethin which earth can make in large quantity (adamatium))
that is STILL the stuidest argument i've ever encountered in the KMC. the hammer is harder than the shield because it was made in asgard and the shield was made on earth! 😆 😆 😆BRILLIANT! 😱
actually, by implying the hammer>shield JUST BECAUSE THE SHIELD WAS MADE IN ASGARD 😆 YOU'RE the one saying the writers are all stupid!! why? because anytime a piece of earth science/tech does something GREATER than what anything fashioned in asgard has done, you think the writers are wrong, genius!
asgard is just another world in the universe. not the greatest, not the least.
i mean if so-call "legendary" hammer is weaker then somethin which can be mass-produce on earth then what is it that make it legendary? oh yeah thats right NOTHIN 😂 so basicaly your sayin the writers did this all for nothin & ****ed up big time
earth science is AT LEAST a match for asgardian science or magic. it's been shown too many times to count. hell, doom's armor stole the power of the friggin BEYONDER!! you're still hilarious . . .dint he use a cube for that too?
btw--the shield is a one-of-a-kind and has never been duplicated let alone mass-produced.i wuz talkin about adamantium not the sheildand where is the proof the destroyer armor is thin, again? and where is your proof that the shield is as thick as the hammer in the middle? we all wait for your utterly ludicrous reply . . .
yeah Caps sheild is unique (even more then mjolnir!) so MAYBE it coud be harder then the hammer at least that woud be acceptable 🙂
(but it aint harder IMO)
btw destroyer armor aint thick cuz its hollow im prety sure they showed it onpanel somewere 🤨