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Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but there's a difference between "In character with PIS" and "In character without PIS". If fights were a carbon copy of the comics, there wouldn't be the rule. So yeah there's a difference.That was just the first that came to mind, do you really think that there haven't been other instances of Surfer keeping his distance for most/all the fight? Supes has plenty of instances of getting tagged for being dumb too, but his fans still say that the Hulk can't touch him.
They both use creative methods to take down their foes and they're both good at doing it, unless Supes has a particularly impressive strategy in his history it doesn't really seem right to say that he's better than Surfer.
Originally posted by kgkgWasn't it animated with some PC? In any event, if this is the level of Destroyer being considered for this thread (when it was herald), I don't see it being a challenge even for undipped Superman.
You might have missed it but the destroyer was not animated when Ben Grimm beat on him.
Originally posted by MindshipIt was a small fraction of Galactus Power cosmic. What i'm saying is that when Grimm was beating on it Galactus took that power away making Grimm beat a soulless destroyer.
I believe it was animated by some of Galactus' life force? In any event, if this is the level of Destroyer being considered for this thread (when it was herald), I don't see it being a challenge even for undipped Superman.
Originally posted by kgkg
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[B]Destroyer<Herald of Galactus> vs Thing/H.E
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Destroyer becoming the herald of Galactus here H.E is unable the stop the Destroyer. This is another thing that gets confused on KMC board and some have claimed that the Thing actually defeated the Destroyer which is far from the truth as the scans here reveal that the destroyer only received miniscule life force from Galactus and that Galactus actually withdrew the Life Force from it making it seem like Thing defeated Destroyer.[/B]
Originally posted by darthgoober
I wasn't really thinking about skill but you're probably right there. Durability I disagree on. The two have comparable feats pretty much across the board and if either of them actually have an edge it's probably Surfer.
and i think it's superman.
Feat comparison?
you mean ranged right? as far as versatility, surfer has it in spades, but people seem to underrate superman's heat vision quite a bit on this forum. hv that has put down despero, halted omega beams and broken through forcefields that were impenetrable to everyone else.
Well like what? What has Supes taken that Sufer can't match?
i'm talking about the calibre of enemy they fight that can actually put them down/defeat/restrain them. superman can take on grundy, mongul, darkseid, despero (there's more to the guy than virtue and vice), green lanterns etc etc.
its incredibly rare for an enemy to dominate superman unless they're dominating the entire JLA.
can the same be said for surfer? i don't think so.
No, but he'd keep his distance.
you don't think superman can close said distance?
Be less vague 😛 .
hopefully you'll be satisfied now. 😛
Originally posted by UniOmni
With hv, icebreath, superspeed and punches in bunches. I don't get the logic(hint-there is none to be found:<😉 but thats DC editorials line and they maintain it.
it's the simplicity of him. he doesn't need willpower or magic or fancy gadgets. he simply is.
and he's a b*tch to kill.
there's logic there if you simply look at it objectively.
Originally posted by darthgooberCIS is applicable however. Not using your array powers effectively in combat consistently is closer related to a matter of CIS, while PIS is applicable if Surfer's fighting say . . Wolverine, and ends up loosing. We're talking about Surfer fighting top tier guys, in his class, and ending up in close quarters with them. It happens. It's not PIS. And not using powers effectively on panel as well as you and others like to present him being able to do so on the forum is another example of Surfer not being as combat efficient as Superman.
Yes but there's a difference between "In character with PIS" and "In character without PIS". If fights were a carbon copy of the comics, there wouldn't be the rule. So yeah there's a difference.That was just the first that came to mind, do you really think that there haven't been other instances of Surfer keeping his distance for most/all the fight? Supes has plenty of instances of getting tagged for being dumb too, but his fans still say that the Hulk can't touch him.
They both use creative methods to take down their foes and they're both good at doing it, unless Supes has a particularly impressive strategy in his history it doesn't really seem right to say that he's better than Surfer.
Superman gets tagged not entirely from being dumb, but because he CAN. He's outright admitted as much on panel several times. JLA Classified 15 comes to mind right off the top.
The entire JLA is decimated, laying unconscious, and Superman alone stands up to fight more.
Alien: Are you read for more?
Supes: Actually, I think I'm ready to stop playing with you.
Alien: Playing? I've beaten you half to death.
Supes: Not even close. I needed to measure your power and get a handle on what's really happening here. And that took time. So I just soaked up your punches while I worked it all out.
Yes, apparently Superman's enough of a dick to let all his teammates get pummeled unconscious before he even bothers taking off the kid gloves.
But there's also tons of examples of him avoiding when he wants to. I'm sure you've seen some in Superman threads at times. Both are applicable, sure. Superman can tank blows all day if he's not in any real danger, or he can avoid them. It's pretty simple conceptually.
I guess Superman being the military leader/general of a planet doesn't mean anything.
Also, there's an example in the up up and away arc where Superman is fighting multiple characters, and he's doing things like calculating if he hits character with a certain amount of force it'll throw him off balance a certain degree and cause that guy's blast to hit one of the other guys fighting him.
Lots of examples like that in Clark's history.
He's no Batman, or Captain America, but he's a hell of a fighter.
Originally posted by -Pr-👆
and i think it's superman.you mean ranged right? as far as versatility, surfer has it in spades, but people seem to underrate superman's heat vision quite a bit on this forum. hv that has put down despero, halted omega beams and broken through forcefields that were impenetrable to everyone else.
i'm talking about the calibre of enemy they fight that can actually put them down/defeat/restrain them. superman can take on grundy, mongul, darkseid, despero (there's more to the guy than virtue and vice), green lanterns etc etc.
its incredibly rare for an enemy to dominate superman unless they're dominating the entire JLA.
can the same be said for surfer? i don't think so.
you don't think superman can close said distance?
hopefully you'll be satisfied now. 😛
it's the simplicity of him. he doesn't need willpower or magic or fancy gadgets. he simply is.
and he's a b*tch to kill.
there's logic there if you simply look at it objectively.
with the sudden resurgence of battlezone interest, there needs to be a superman/silver surfer battlezone.
but instead of one person representing each character, it should be a team vs team fight. (unprecedented so it would be cool).
think about it (no offense to anyone i don't mention off the dome)
representing superman you have: pr, juntai, avalon, batdude, and galan, fighting those who represent the silver surfer: darthgoober, roldz, naija boy, mindship, and ...i forget but you get the idea 😛
that shit would be dope
Originally posted by -Pr-
and i think it's superman.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you mean ranged right? as far as versatility, surfer has it in spades, but people seem to underrate superman's heat vision quite a bit on this forum. hv that has put down despero, halted omega beams and broken through forcefields that were impenetrable to everyone else.
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_17-1.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/silver_surfer_1989_019_19.jpg
There are other examples demonstrating it, but those are the ones that first came to mind. And that's not to say that I think Supes's HV will be completely ineffective because I know it's not just a laser at it's upper levels, it's still a ranged advantage that Supes lacks.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm talking about the calibre of enemy they fight that can actually put them down/defeat/restrain them. superman can take on grundy, mongul, darkseid, despero (there's more to the guy than virtue and vice), green lanterns etc etc.
Originally posted by -Pr-
its incredibly rare for an enemy to dominate superman unless they're dominating the entire JLA.can the same be said for surfer? i don't think so.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you don't think superman can close said distance?
Originally posted by -Pr-
hopefully you'll be satisfied now. 😛
Originally posted by psycho gundam
with the sudden resurgence of battlezone interest, there needs to be a superman/silver surfer battlezone.but instead of one person representing each character, it should be a team vs team fight. (unprecedented so it would be cool).
think about it (no offense to anyone i don't mention off the dome)
representing superman you have: pr, juntai, avalon, batdude, and galan, fighting those who represent the silver surfer: darthgoober, roldz, naija boy, mindship, and ...i forget but you get the idea 😛that shit would be dope
tbh, i wouldn't want to be involved.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well then you're wrong 😛 /And Surfer's blasts have destroyed planets, created blackholes, matched Thanos's energy signature, and(as an extremely high end example) nearly killed Thor with one shot. In regards to HV, it undoubtedly has some impressive feats so don't think I'm underrating it, but like I said before it won't be nearly as effective against Surfer as it is his standard rogues. Supes has bounced his HV off of things like mirrors right? Well one of the benefits of Surfer's skin is it's reflective properties...
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_17-1.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/silver_surfer_1989_019_19.jpg
There are other examples demonstrating it, but those are the ones that first came to mind. And that's not to say that I think Supes's HV will be completely ineffective because I know it's not just a laser at it's upper levels, it's still a ranged advantage that Supes lacks.
And Surfer can take on Hulk(comparable to Grundy), Millinius(Odin villain), Mephisto, Quasar, etc. etc. Like I said the two are neck and neck durability wise, and that's not even talking about the added durability of his forcefield. I mean this is the guy who survived extended combat with Murrungo-Mu while at only half power.
How often have you seen Surfer dominated by someone who wasn't a badass? He's got his low moments sure, but then again so does Supes.
I think it would be pretty difficult while doing things like dodging/tanking blast, dealing with stuff like forcefields, or fighting off stuff like transmutation.
Not really 😉 .
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i have actually read surfer, you know, so you're already telling me stuff that i know. i just have a different opinion, is all.
