Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

Originally posted by jaden101
If you're going to state that they are then you have to prove it. I've based my argument on things that have actually happened in Star Wars.

Clearly written as such so to identify the viewer certain characters.

You have to prove that the humans from star trek would be affected by the force with evidence.

And we both know you can't.

Your argument was that species such as the YV weren't affected by the Force, yet humans are the same species as the humans in Star Wars.

His ship was travelling in hyperspace for days yet was still in the same galaxy and had in fact not travelled that far.

He went into the trance to pass the time.

Was he in any hurry?

Georgi La Forge in the episode "True Q"

Can you explain the context?

Your argument was that species such as the YV weren't affected by the Force, yet humans are the same species as the humans in Star Wars.

Yet noone in ST is connected to or has been affected by the force.

Was he in any hurry?

He was in hyperspace so I would figure that he was. Can't recall the specifics but I think it was to get somewhere before a fleet of star destroyers from the imperial remnant.

Can you explain the context?

He was explaining the power output of the warp core.

Originally posted by jaden101
Yet noone in ST is connected to or has been affected by the force.

Of course, because they are two different sci fi series.

He was in hyperspace so I would figure that he was. Can't recall the specifics but I think it was to get somewhere before a fleet of star destroyers from the imperial remnant.

Well then he was probably in a pretty slow ship, because G canon evidence shows that hyperdrives can be faster than that.

He was explaining the power output of the warp core.

In detail or casually?

Stardestroyers, how many?

Originally posted by Robtard
Stardestroyers, how many?

The Galactic Empire had about 25,000. I'm not sure if there's a definitive number for the other major Star Wars civilizations.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The Galactic Empire had about 25,000. I'm not sure if there's a definitive number for the other major Star Wars civilizations.

So Star Wars' (arguably) most powerful faction has a fleet of about 25k, that make up the bulk of their space-power.

The Borg (one faction in ST) has millions, or possibly billions of ships.

If the Empire loses 12k ships, that's roughly half of their space-power. If the Borg loses 12k ships, they don't even notice.

Why are you still arguing?

Originally posted by Robtard
So Star Wars' (arguably) most powerful faction has a fleet of about 25k, that make up the bulk of their space-power.

The Borg (one faction in ST) has millions, or possibly billions of ships.

If the Empire loses 12k ships, that's roughly half of their space-power. If the Borg loses 12k ships, they don't even notice.

Why are you still arguing?

"millions, or possibly billions of ships"

What kind of ships?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
"millions, or possibly billions of ships"

What kind of ships?

Borg's main methods of transport and operations are the Borg Cube. So I'd suspect the vast majority are cubes. Though there's smaller ships the Borg use for various specified objectives. eg the 'Borg Assimilator', it's a smaller Borg ship with the sole purpose of transporting the entire crew of another vessel for instant assimilation of the personnel.

Even if we massively gimp the Borg and say 'the only have 500k Cubes', that's still more than enough.

So why are you still arguing?

Well then he was probably in a pretty slow ship, because G canon evidence shows that hyperdrives can be faster than that.

Which canon?

Story?...Ship?

Besides SW canon is massively flawed. Take hyperspace and hyperdrive. Supposedly the closer a ship is to a 0.0 class hyperdrive then faster it is (as 0.0 is infinite speed).

The millenium falcon is supposedly a class 0.5 hyperdrive and is supposed to be one of the fastest ships there is in SW.

Here's some other ships for comparison.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060717015338/starwars/images/4/4d/Hyperdrive-class2_negvv.jpg

Now the millenium falcon was said to have made the kessel run in 12 parsecs (intimating a measurement of time when in fact a parsec is a measurement of distance...3.26 light years to be exact)

A ship in another part of SW (The courtship of princess leia) took over a week to travel 70 parsecs. or roughly 90 light years. The galaxy is about 120,000 light years across so this ship. So it would take that ship a year to travel 4600 light years and so it would take 30 years for it to cross the galaxy.

So you can see how messed up and conflicting canon is in Star Wars.

Originally posted by jaden101
Now the millenium falcon was said to have made the kessel run in 12 parsecs (intimating a measurement of time when in fact a parsec is a measurement of distance...3.26 light years to be exact)

True. For years I thought this particular quote was stupidly used and it never made sense to me until recently I did some research and it turns out: The reason Han boasts making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs is because the Kessel Run is an 18 parsec route.

Kessel Run (Wookiepedia)

Nevertheless, some significany SW canon is flawed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Borg's main methods of transport and operations are the Borg Cube. So I'd suspect the vast majority are cubes. Though there's smaller ships the Borg use for various specified objectives. eg the 'Borg Assimilator', it's a smaller Borg ship with the sole purpose of transporting the entire crew of another vessel for instant assimilation of the personnel.

Even if we massively gimp the Borg and say 'the only have 500k Cubes', that's still more than enough.

So why are you still arguing?

I find it hard to believe that the biggest (or one of the biggest) ship in the Borg fleet is the most numerous.

Originally posted by jaden101
Which canon?

Story?...Ship?

Besides SW canon is massively flawed. Take hyperspace and hyperdrive. Supposedly the closer a ship is to a 0.0 class hyperdrive then faster it is (as 0.0 is infinite speed).

The millenium falcon is supposedly a class 0.5 hyperdrive and is supposed to be one of the fastest ships there is in SW.

Here's some other ships for comparison.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060717015338/starwars/images/4/4d/Hyperdrive-class2_negvv.jpg

Now the millenium falcon was said to have made the kessel run in 12 parsecs (intimating a measurement of time when in fact a parsec is a measurement of distance...3.26 light years to be exact)

A ship in another part of SW (The courtship of princess leia) took over a week to travel 70 parsecs. or roughly 90 light years. The galaxy is about 120,000 light years across so this ship. So it would take that ship a year to travel 4600 light years and so it would take 30 years for it to cross the galaxy.

So you can see how messed up and conflicting canon is in Star Wars.

The time required to travel using hyperspace in Star Wars differs depending on the navigational hazards that are present as well as what class hyperdrive the ship has.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I find it hard to believe that the biggest (or one of the biggest) ship in the Borg fleet is the most numerous.

Why? Because it doesn't work well for the Star Wars side.

It's the most seen ship of the Borg, it carriers the most Borg and the Borg have lots of troops to move while they go about their assimilation.

But as I said, even if we massively gimp "millions/billions" down to just 500k, it's still over.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why? Because it doesn't work well for the Star Wars side.

It's the most seen ship of the Borg, it carriers the most Borg and the Borg have lots of troops to move while they go about their assimilation.

But as I said, even if we massively gimp "millions/billions" down to just 500k, it's still over.

What is the point, then, of, say, that Borg assumilator?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I find it hard to believe that the biggest (or one of the biggest) ship in the Borg fleet is the most numerous.

The time required to travel using hyperspace in Star Wars differs depending on the navigational hazards that are present as well as what class hyperdrive the ship has.

There's only a handful of varieties of Borg vessels.

Borg Sphere (small scout vessel usually contained within a cube much like a shuttle craft)

Borg tactical sphere (about 1/3 of a cube in size...numbers unknown but few seen on screen)

Borg queen's ship (1 off vessel...part of the unimatrix 01 complex but detachable and can travel at transwarp....weapons unknown)

Borg tactical cube (half the size as the standard cube but with vastly improved weapons, shields and armour) numbers are unknown.

Borg cube. Hundreds seen on screen and numbers mentioned in the millions as part of unimatrix 01 which doesn't include all those vessels spread throughout the galaxy.

The Borg cube (as previously stated) is 3km^3 which means that it is twice as long in all dimensions as an Imperial class star destroyer is in its longest dimension.

http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=728521&d=1248091923

There's a comparison with the Imperial and Acclamator classes at the top right and the Borg cubes and sphere's half way down on the right.

Compare those, also, to the Voth city ship or the Dominion planetary assault ship and you can see that the only things that SW has as an advantage are the Executor class super star destroyer (of which there was only 1 of) and the 1 off super weapons.

So while SW may have droid numbers in excess of trillions they aren't much use without ships to deploy them.

They're also pretty useless if they got hammered by the Gungans.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
What is the point, then, of, say, that Borg assumilator?

Its purpose is to quickly transport crew off a ship and assimilate the crew/lifeforms. It's a specialized ship, from the games; novels, iirc.

The Borg Cube is the meat and potatoes of the fleet. Edit: As Jaden mentioned.

Originally posted by jaden101

Borg tactical cube (half the size as the standard cube but with vastly improved weapons, shields and armour) numbers are unknown.

Borg cube. Hundreds seen on screen and numbers mentioned in the millions as part of unimatrix 01 which doesn't include all those vessels spread throughout the galaxy.

If we're allowed to use any and all media, then four Cube can combine to form a Fusion Cube and eight Tactical Cube can combine to form a Tactical Fusion Cube.

Not that is would be needed.

Originally posted by jaden101
There's only a handful of varieties of Borg vessels.

Borg Sphere (small scout vessel usually contained within a cube much like a shuttle craft)

Borg tactical sphere (about 1/3 of a cube in size...numbers unknown but few seen on screen)

Borg queen's ship (1 off vessel...part of the unimatrix 01 complex but detachable and can travel at transwarp....weapons unknown)

Borg tactical cube (half the size as the standard cube but with vastly improved weapons, shields and armour) numbers are unknown.

Borg cube. Hundreds seen on screen and numbers mentioned in the millions as part of unimatrix 01 which doesn't include all those vessels spread throughout the galaxy.

The Borg cube (as previously stated) is 3km^3 which means that it is twice as long in all dimensions as an Imperial class star destroyer is in its longest dimension.

http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=728521&d=1248091923

There's a comparison with the Imperial and Acclamator classes at the top right and the Borg cubes and sphere's half way down on the right.

Compare those, also, to the Voth city ship or the Dominion planetary assault ship and you can see that the only things that SW has as an advantage are the Executor class super star destroyer (of which there was only 1 of) and the 1 off super weapons.

So while SW may have droid numbers in excess of trillions they aren't much use without ships to deploy them.

They're also pretty useless if they got hammered by the Gungans.

The CIS was said to have a quintillion battle droids.

Remember that size does not always equate to power. Star destroyers have turbolasers of hundreds of millions of gigawatts.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we're allowed to use any and all media, then four Cube can combine to form a Fusion Cube and eight Tactical Cube can combine to form a Tactical Fusion Cube.

Not that is would be needed.

if we are, then the borg have thousands of confirmed full size cubes.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The CIS was said to have a quintillion battle droids.

Remember that size does not always equate to power. Star destroyers have turbolasers of hundreds of millions of gigawatts.

Borg can assimilate technology remember, so Droids won't matter for shit, once the Drones adapt to their blasters. In a face to face battle, which would happen as the Borg would transport Drones; in the thousands to being assimilation of ship and crew.

Remember the Borg adapt, so even if you're correct and a SD can blast a Cube to shit in one of more hits, the rest of the collective will adapt and the following shots will do absolutely nothing.

This is getting repetitive to ridiculous levels.

Originally posted by -Pr-
if we are, then the borg have thousands of confirmed full size cubes.

Along with millions (possibly billions) of standard variety cubes. The Empire's 25k Stardestroyers will mean nothing; considering the Empire is one of the (if not the) strongest factions in SW and the Borg is but one of many powerful factions in ST. The answer is obvious.