Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

Originally posted by Robtard
Borg can assimilate technology remember, so Droids won't matter for shit, once the Drones adapt to their blasters. In a face to face battle, which would happen as the Borg would transport Drones; in the thousands to being assimilation of ship and crew.

Remember the Borg adapt, so even if you're correct and a SD can blast a Cube to shit in one of more hits, the rest of the collective will adapt and the following shots will do absolutely nothing.

This is getting repetitive to ridiculous levels.

Which begs the question as to why the Federation was able to do anything to the Borg when the Borg would supposedly be immune to Federation weapons in a matter of days after a battle.

Industrial capability: The Empire was capable of building the Death Star in about a year and consisted of at least a million inhabited worlds. Add in the other major Star Wars civilizations such as the Galactic Republic, and you have a very large and powerful industrial base. The Star Forge would amp this up.

Numbers: This is sketchy. The Empire had about 25,000 star destroyers, but had the capability to produce many more and also had many smaller ship types. Then there are other Star Wars civilizations before and after the Empire that had their share of star destroyers as well. Combined with the Star Forge, the totality of star destroyers of a united Star Wars Galaxy could number in the millions, and there are also other ship types. As for ground troops, the Galactic Alliance had about 100 quadrillion citizens, so there would have to be enough military and police forces to police that many people. The CIS had about a quintillion battle droids, which is a HUGE number.

FTL travel: Hyperdrive has shown to be able to travel accross the galaxy in a matter of hours. Warp drive can often take decades to do such a thing. Transwarp cannot be maintained for long periods of time, often requires external attatchments and is not known by all major ST civilizations.

Space weapons: Turbolasers often generate hundreds of millions of gigawatts of energy. The Enterprise in comparison had main phasers of about 3.6 gigawatts.

Shields: Star Wars shields have heat dissipation in the tens of trillions. The Enterprise in comparison has one in the thousands. Also, Star Wars has planetary shields capable of resisting prolonged orbital bombardment.

Ship speed: although star destroyers do not appear to have a very high non hyperspace movement speed, starfighters have a speed often exceeding 10,000 km/hr.

Support ships: Star Wars has starfighters of which Star Trek ships would have little defense against. Even starfighters would have enough firepower to penetrate most Star Trek shields and are faster than what Star Trek ships are used to.

Superweapons: The sun crusher can generate supernovas in stars and is virtually immune to all known forms of conventional weapons. The galaxy gun can destroy a planet from light years away. Centerpoint station can destroy or even move even a star from light years away. The Death Star can destroy a planet and has a huge number of powerful turbolasers and other defenses. Using the Star Forge, these could be mass produced.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Which begs the question as to why the Federation was able to do anything to the Borg when the Borg would supposedly be immune to Federation weapons in a matter of days after a battle.

Originally posted by Robtard

This is getting repetitive to ridiculous levels.

You don't have an argument anymore, as all you do is keep rehashing shit that's been covered and over and over and over.

If you think the Empire or anything else SW can resist and counter Borg adaptiveness and assimilation, SAY IT NOW, MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT; I'll LISTEN. I've asked you this several times now.

The fact that Jaden and I only need to really bring in one faction of Star Trek, while you scrap for everything SW related, past and present, is very indicative of how SW tech compares to ST tech.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Industrial capability: The Empire was capable of building the Death Star in about a year and consisted of at least a million inhabited worlds. Add in the other major Star Wars civilizations such as the Galactic Republic, and you have a very large and powerful industrial base. The Star Forge would amp this up.

Numbers: This is sketchy. The Empire had about 25,000 star destroyers, but had the capability to produce many more and also had many smaller ship types. Then there are other Star Wars civilizations before and after the Empire that had their share of star destroyers as well. Combined with the Star Forge, the totality of star destroyers of a united Star Wars Galaxy could number in the millions, and there are also other ship types. As for ground troops, the Galactic Alliance had about 100 quadrillion citizens, so there would have to be enough military and police forces to police that many people. The CIS had about a quintillion battle droids, which is a HUGE number.

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No, see, while you're building up to these "millions" and/or "could", the Borg already have that in spades, plus their ability to adapt and counter. Also, if you're allowed to use the entire time-line, then so is Star Trek, add all the ships the Borg had through their existance of assimilating other worlds, the numbers become unimaginable, though the older the ships, the less powerful, as they'd have less taken technologies.

Then we bring in all the other factions of Star Trek and all the entire time-line of each and certain specialty items, it's a clear stomp.

You should really educate yourself on both sides, before you argue, it's the intellectually honest thing to do. How else would you make an informed decision? <-- I'd like to know

Originally posted by Robtard
Along with millions (possibly billions) of standard variety cubes. The Empire's 25k Stardestroyers will mean nothing; considering the Empire is one of the (if not the) strongest factions in SW and the Borg is but one of many powerful factions in ST. The answer is obvious.

aye. star trek outnumbers them in ship numbers easily.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Industrial capability: The Empire was capable of building the Death Star in about a year and consisted of at least a million inhabited worlds. Add in the other major Star Wars civilizations such as the Galactic Republic, and you have a very large and powerful industrial base. The Star Forge would amp this up.

Numbers: This is sketchy. The Empire had about 25,000 star destroyers, but had the capability to produce many more and also had many smaller ship types. Then there are other Star Wars civilizations before and after the Empire that had their share of star destroyers as well. Combined with the Star Forge, the totality of star destroyers of a united Star Wars Galaxy could number in the millions, and there are also other ship types. As for ground troops, the Galactic Alliance had about 100 quadrillion citizens, so there would have to be enough military and police forces to police that many people. The CIS had about a quintillion battle droids, which is a HUGE number.

FTL travel: Hyperdrive has shown to be able to travel accross the galaxy in a matter of hours. Warp drive can often take decades to do such a thing. Transwarp cannot be maintained for long periods of time, often requires external attatchments and is not known by all major ST civilizations.

Space weapons: Turbolasers often generate hundreds of millions of gigawatts of energy. The Enterprise in comparison had main phasers of about 3.6 gigawatts.

Shields: Star Wars shields have heat dissipation in the tens of trillions. The Enterprise in comparison has one in the thousands. Also, Star Wars has planetary shields capable of resisting prolonged orbital bombardment.

Ship speed: although star destroyers do not appear to have a very high non hyperspace movement speed, starfighters have a speed often exceeding 10,000 km/hr.

Support ships: Star Wars has starfighters of which Star Trek ships would have little defense against. Even starfighters would have enough firepower to penetrate most Star Trek shields and are faster than what Star Trek ships are used to.

Superweapons: The sun crusher can generate supernovas in stars and is virtually immune to all known forms of conventional weapons. The galaxy gun can destroy a planet from light years away. Centerpoint station can destroy or even move even a star from light years away. The Death Star can destroy a planet and has a huge number of powerful turbolasers and other defenses. Using the Star Forge, these could be mass produced.

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Ground troops: Star Wars has far superior ground troops. In addition to far superior weaponry, armor, sensors and such, Star Wars troops are well trained and organized. The Federation has officers going into combat wearing what appear to be pajamas.

Armor and such: Star Wars has powerful ground vehicles including tanks, walkers, artillery and such. Star Trek has rarely, if ever, shown any of these.

Tactical and strategic capability: Star Wars has Revan, Thrawn, Ackbar and such. Does Star Trek have any comparable military geniuses?

Special Forces: Jedi (who sort of take the role of special forces in combat) > any Star Trek special forces.

Air and space support: Star Wars star destroyers can precisely bombard points and starfighters can provide support as well. Star Trek ships won't be able to penetrate a Star Wars planet's planetary shield.

Originally posted by Robtard
You don't have an argument anymore, as all you do is keep rehashing shit that's been covered and over and over and over.

If you think the Empire or anything else SW can resist and counter Borg adaptiveness and assimilation,[b] SAY IT NOW, MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT; I'll LISTEN. I've asked you this several times now.

The fact that Jaden and I only need to really bring in one faction of Star Trek, while you scrap for everything SW related, past and present, is very indicative of how SW tech compares to ST tech. [/B]

Please answer my question:

HOW did the Federation resist the Borg? Surely by your logic the Borg would be immune to all Federation weapons.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, see, while you're building up to these "millions" and/or "could", the Borg already have that in spades, plus their ability to adapt and counter. Also, if you're allowed to use the entire time-line, then so is Star Trek, add all the ships the Borg had through their existance of assimilating other worlds, the numbers become unimaginable, though the older the ships, the less powerful, as they'd have less taken technologies.

Then we bring in all the other factions of Star Trek and all the entire time-line of each and certain specialty items, it's a clear stomp.

You should really educate yourself on both sides, before you argue, it's the intellectually honest thing to do. How else would you make an informed decision? <-- I'd like to know

Starting numbers aren't everything. Look at WW2. The United States helped turned the tide due to its huge industrial capabilities.

Star Wars has millions of inhabited worlds and hundreds of quadrillions of civilians.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
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Ground troops: Star Wars has far superior ground troops. In addition to far superior weaponry, armor, sensors and such, Star Wars troops are well trained and organized. The Federation has officers going into combat wearing what appear to be pajamas.

Armor and such: Star Wars has powerful ground vehicles including tanks, walkers, artillery and such. Star Trek has rarely, if ever, shown any of these.

Tactical and strategic capability: Star Wars has Revan, Thrawn, Ackbar and such. Does Star Trek have any comparable military geniuses?

Special Forces: Jedi (who sort of take the role of special forces in combat) > any Star Trek special forces.

Air and space support: Star Wars star destroyers can precisely bombard points and starfighters can provide support as well. Star Trek ships won't be able to penetrate a Star Wars planet's planetary shield.

the fact that you had to ask about star trek (tacticians: sisko, ross) or their ground troops (jem'hadar, borg) doesn't really inspire a lot of confidence.

if we get to use all media, then star trek has ground weaponry that would scare the living shit out of stormtroopers. phasers that can cause tectonic displacement, hidden transporter pads that act as mines and beam anyone who walks on them in to space, for starters.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
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Ground troops: Star Wars has far superior ground troops. In addition to far superior weaponry, armor, sensors and such, Star Wars troops are well trained and organized. The Federation has officers going into combat wearing what appear to be pajamas.

Armor and such: Star Wars has powerful ground vehicles including tanks, walkers, artillery and such. Star Trek has rarely, if ever, shown any of these.

Tactical and strategic capability: Star Wars has Revan, Thrawn, Ackbar and such. Does Star Trek have any comparable military geniuses?

Special Forces: Jedi (who sort of take the role of special forces in combat) > any Star Trek special forces.

1) Where are you copy/pasting this from, is is StarDestroyer.net?

2) Again, you show you're ignorance and deceptiveness. Jaden told you long ago about ST ground capabilities, they're in the novels. Also, who the hell cares if ST has a massive ground force on any given planet when the war would be dictated from space battles? The Enterprise D alone could massacre a massive ground based army from outer orbit.

3) Kirk, Picard, Cisco, Worf, Janeway, Archer, Pike. Those are just off the top of my head, there's many more. All very accomplished leaders in battle.

This is how a battle over and on a planet would probably go in this case:

If Star Trek is attacking, their ships would first have to deal with the defending fleet. The thing is that, due to the immense speed of hyperdrives, Star Wars can call upon reinforcements very quickly. Star Trek due to its limited warp drive capabilities would not want to sent too large of a fleet due to fear of Star Wars taking advantage of that, since less ships would be defending Star Trek planets.

Even if the Star Trek ships can somehow fend off superior numbers and firepower, they'd have to somehow get past the planetary shield. Orbital bomardment would be prevented by the shield, so a ground invasion would be needed. However, as I have proven, Star Wars has far superior ground capabilities and would have the advantage due to being the defenders.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) Where are you copy/pasting this from, is is StarDestroyer.net?

2) Again, you show you're ignorance and deceptiveness. Jaden told you long ago about ST ground capabilities, they're in the novels. Also, who the hell cares if ST has a massive ground force on any given planet when the war would be dictated from space battles? The Enterprise D alone could massacre a massive ground based army from outer orbit.

3) Kirk, Picard, Cisco, Worf, Janeway, Archer, Pike. Those are just off the top of my head, there's many more. All very accomplished leaders in battle.

1. I didn't copy this.

2. ST novels are not considered canon by official ST sources.

3. Yet few of them have a significantly high place in the chain of command for some reason.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Please answer my question:

HOW did the Federation resist the Borg? Surely by your logic the Borg would be immune to all Federation weapons.

Starting numbers aren't everything. Look at WW2. The United States helped turned the tide due to its huge industrial capabilities.

Star Wars has millions of inhabited worlds and hundreds of quadrillions of civilians.

I've answered that THREE times now. It's mostly plot-induced, as the Borg on paper would defeat most opponents. Plot-induced outcomes happen in SW too.

ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW. Go.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. I didn't copy this.

2. ST novels are not considered canon by official ST sources.

3. Yet few of them have a significantly high place in the chain of command for some reason.

-K

-LoL, love how you get to dictate what is and isn't canon for Star Trek, yet you'll pull anything out of SW if it suits you. You're a joke. Anyhow, your "ground forces" means absolutely nothing to Star Trek. They'd be easy targets and hardly a threat.

-They're accomplished and noted.

If Star Wars is attacking:

Star Wars hyperdrive would be advanced enough to attack a planet before Star Trek can respond. Star Trek warp drive would not be advanced enough to send any significant number of reinforcements. Star Wars ships have superior range and firepower to Star Trek ships. Star Trek planets would have no defense against orbital bombardment, and any ground forces would fall quickly to a ground invasion.

Originally posted by Robtard
-K

-LoL, love how you get to dictate what is and isn't canon for Star Trek, yet you'll pull anything out of SW if it suits you. You're a joke. Anyhow, your "ground forces" means absolutely nothing to Star Trek. They'd be easy targets and hardly a threat.

-They're accomplished and noted.

1. Yeah, and you haven't been able to counter it.

2. BS. I said official Star Trek sources. George Lucas considers EU sources to be canon. The Star Trek guys do not consider Star Trek EU to be canon.

3. Yet they would not have much command over Star Trek as a whole.

Originally posted by Robtard

[b]ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW. Go. [/B]

How is a Star Trek fleet supposed to capture a major Star Wars planet? Major Star Wars planets have multiple layers of defenses, large fleets, and a sizeable ground force.

For example, Coruscant has:

Mines
Orbital space platforms
A planetary shield
Turbolasers
Proton bombs
Defending fleet
Ground troops

explain how an invasion force would get past these and reinforcements that other Star Wars planets could send.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've answered that THREE times now. It's mostly plot-induced, as the Borg on paper would defeat most opponents. Plot-induced outcomes happen in SW too.

[b]ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW. Go. [/B]

Give an example of a "plot induced" way that the Borg were defeated.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Give an example of a "plot induced" way that the Borg were defeated.

LoL, no. It's your turn to answer my question, I've answered yours over and over again.

So, make your case for Star Wars tech being able to counter Borg adaptiveness and assimilation. Go; I'll listen.

Let's say that Star Trek wants to attack Coruscant, which is held by, say the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances (the civilization that held Coruscant changed many times). Explain how an invasion fleet would get past these:

1. Getting to Coruscant without being detected by Star Wars sensors and intercepted.
2. Getting past the defending fleet and reinforcements, which would be sent very quickly due to hyperdrive technology.
3. Getting past the space mines.
4. Getting past the planetary shield.
5. Getting past the turbolaser platforms and other defenses.
6. Landing ground troops while under fire from ground defense weapons.
7. Capturing and securing major cities defended by Star Wars ground forces, which would outnumber and outgun a Star Trek invasion force.
8. Stamping out resistance.
9. Keeping trillions of civilians in line.
10. Fighting the Jedi.
11. Dealing with a counter attack.