Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Stop dodging the point. The fact that it can be affected by sunlight shows that it is not completely immune to conventional forces.2. This does not have anything to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying that they would run out of fuel. They could have refueled, but in this case Star Wars would have already won.
3. Go back a few a posts.
4. Again, the time ship was affected by sunlight.
5. Yes it is relevant, and it isn't that hard to figure out how. If the Celestials destroy the Celestial homeworld, the time ship will not be able to wipe it out with their time weapon.
6. You proved me right. "effectively was erased and never happened". The time weapon never existed at all. Therefore, it wouldn't be in this war.
7. The Force can be speculated to be beyond space and time, although I'll admit that this is probably speculation. Well, actually there is a lot of evidence supporting this.
8. If it does indeed create an alternate timeline, then that would mean that the timeline would not be affected; another one would be created, which would not affect the outcome of this thread.
1) Yet it's clearly said/shown in the show. So your essentially arguing against canon sources, for no other reason than you don't have a proper counter.
2)No.
3)Did; your "moving a planet" angle is still pointless and irrelevant here.
4)Again, arguing against canon, because you've got nothing else.
5)It doesn't have to attack their planet. It can attack them on their ships, while they're using the toilet etc. Doh.
6)Hahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahah. EPIC FAIL. The basis for this thread was to use everything either franchise ever had. You used people and things that were killed or destroyed. Your "forge" for example. But I guess this is the tactic we get when you have nothing left. Krenim Time-Weapon, is in play. It's also very telling that ST is yet again using one one facet to win, while you desperately scramble with everything.
7) Then show us with an example. State your case.
8)Fail. The outcome of this thread would be the Time-weapon eventually erasing all life and anything created from the SW galaxy.
Originally posted by Robtard
1) Yet it's clearly said/shown in the show. So your essentially arguing against canon sources, for no other reason than you don't have a proper counter.2)No.
3)Did; your "moving a planet" angle is still pointless and irrelevant here.
4)Again, arguing against canon, because you've got nothing else.
5)It doesn't have to attack their planet. It can attack them on their ships, while they're using the toilet etc. Doh.
6)Hahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahah. [b]EPIC FAIL.
The basis for this thread was to use everything either franchise ever had. You used people and things that were killed or destroyed. Your "forge" for example. But I guess this is the tactic we get when you have nothing left. Krenim Time-Weapon, is in play. It's also very telling that ST is yet again using one one facet to win, while you desperately scramble with everything.7) Then show us with an example. State your case.
8)Fail. The outcome of this thread would be the Time-weapon eventually erasing all life and anything created from the SW galaxy. [/B]
6. I stated in the OP that "This is all of the universes in their entire history." The krenim time ship removed itself from history. It never existed at all. It's like a deleted scene.
You think I'm splitting hairs? Not really. It's true. The time ship didn't exist in the first place.
Also:
1. and 4. You're the one arguing against Science.
2. Yes. 2.4 million megaton weapons (canon Star Wars source) vs under 2 thousand megaton weapons (Janus101's calculations, which you support). 100+ quadrillion civilians vs a trillion or less civilians. 200 trillion gigawatt reactor power vs 15 billion gigawatt reactor power.
5. BS, erasing a single Celestial would not erase the entire race. The Celestials hide in space, and eventually the time ship crew gets tired of the mission (like they did in the in universe canon; the crew wouldn't be willing to hunt the Celestials forever) and surrenders. Morale does indeed matter.
8. Yet wouldn't they simply be creating an alternate timeline that doesn't affect the timeline in which this war is taking place?
BTW, you're being a hypocrite. You keep on accusing me of dodging your points, yet you still avoid this argument of mine:
Explain why you apparently think that 1160 megaton (figure that I got from Jaden101, who you say is right) weapons can noticeably damage ships that can fight week long battles with other ships using 2.4 million megaton (figure that I got from canon Star Wars sources) heavy turbolasers.
Also, explain why you outright lied and called the 1160 megaton figure a non canon source, and then stated that Janus101's source was correct when we were both using the same source.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, so you take it upon yourself to just say "no, the part of Star Trek can't be used", for no other reason than you can't effectively counter it. What a troll.
You calling me "sick in the head" and outright lying is fine in your mind? Seriously; saying that is really insulting.
Actually respond to my points instead of completely ignoring them.
Do you know why your precious, desperate trump card can't be used? Because it never existed in the in universe canon. It wiped itself out from existence to the point of never existing in the first place. You may not like this, but it's true.
Explain why you apparently think that 1160 megaton (figure that I got from Jaden101, who you say is right) weapons can noticeably damage ships that can fight week long battles with other ships using 2.4 million megaton (figure that I got from canon Star Wars sources) heavy turbolasers.
Also, explain why you outright lied and called the 1160 megaton figure a non canon source, and then stated that Janus101's source was correct when we were both using the same source.
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You're trolling now, simple as that. Realizing you can't counter something of Star Trek, you just decide to do away with it; that is not how debates work.
You did the same with the Borg assimilating technology by trying to push your 'Borg never assimilated Star Wars ships, so they can't.' angle, for no other reason than you counter counter the Borg. Sad, though laughable in how pathetic it is.
Ground combat: Star Wars has a powerful, futuristic ground force. Star Trek in comparison doesn't even have combat ready vehicles or effective armor. Heck, they don't even have grenades or machine guns. Their soldiers get overrun by Kilgon soldiers wielding melee weapons and charging.
Space combat: Star Wars: 2.4 million megaton weapons, reactor power of 200 trillion gigawatts. Star Trek: under 2000 megaton weapons, reactor power of 15 billion gigawatts.
Strategic considerations: Star Wars: 100 quadrillion+ civilians and millions of inhabited planets. Star Trek: potentially under one trillion civilians and a far less inhabited planets (well, far less that are heavily populated).
Superweapons and trump cards: Star Wars: Centerpoint Station and other superweapons, the Jedi Order and other Force groups and the Celestials. Star Trek: superweapons and some time ship that never actually existed.
Originally posted by Robtard
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You're trolling now, simple as that. Realizing you can't counter something of Star Trek, you just decide to do away with it; that is not how debates work.You did the same with the Borg assimilating technology by trying to push your 'Borg never assimilated Star Wars ships, so they can't.' angle, for no other reason than you counter counter the Borg. Sad, though laughable in how pathetic it is.
Explain to me how my logic is wrong. You're simply whining about my claim without proving me wrong. Oh, and even if we are to allow this timeship THEY CAN'T BEAT THE CELESTIALS!
Oh, and you blame me for trolling and yet you called me "sick in the head"? Are you really that immoral?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
[b]Ground combat: Star Wars has a powerful, futuristic ground force. Star Trek in comparison doesn't even have combat ready vehicles or effective armor. Heck, they don't even have grenades or machine guns. Their soldiers get overrun by Kilgon soldiers wielding melee weapons and charging.Space combat: Star Wars: 2.4 million megaton weapons, reactor power of 200 trillion gigawatts. Star Trek: under 2000 megaton weapons, reactor power of 15 billion gigawatts.
Strategic considerations: Star Wars: 100 quadrillion+ civilians and millions of inhabited planets. Star Trek: potentially under one trillion civilians and a far less inhabited planets (well, far less that are heavily populated).
Superweapons and trump cards: Star Wars: Centerpoint Station and other superweapons, the Jedi Order and other Force groups and the Celestials. Star Trek: superweapons and some time ship that never actually existed. [/B]
Don't have grenades or machine guns? Both false, but WTF is wrong with you? Comments like this is why I think you have diminished mental capacity. Seriously, think back on that statement you made, multiple reasons why you're ****ed in the head for that comment.
False statement. Math has been shown.
False statement. Considering you've shown to know almost nothing of Star Trek, I assume you just made that up right now, didn't you? LoL, what a troll.
LoL, you don't even know what the Celestials can bring to the table. Better go Wiki it now.
Species 8472 are nasty and could duplicate themselves rapidly. They are also telepathic. Mix with the Borg is a very nasty combo and could wipe out billions of the SW races.
Thalaron radiation is also very nasty.
Changelings are great for spying and espionage.
ST has the tools to beat SW.
Also how does SW deal with armies that can cloak?
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't have grenades or machine guns? Both false, but WTF is wrong with you? Comments like this is why I think you have diminished mental capacity. Seriously, think back on that statement you made, multiple reasons why you're ****ed in the head for that comment.
Are you really sinking this low? Making insults like this are really immoral and unethical.
False statement. Math has been shown.
You do realize that I am using this math that has been shown, right?
Based on Jaden101's math a proton torpedo from Star Trek would be about 20 times that of the tsar bomb, whereas a heavy turbolaser blast from Star Wars would be, based on canon Star Wars sources, over 40,000 times that of the tsar bomb. Oh, and Jaden101 was using the highest numbered sources he could find while I was using the figures for an Acclamator, which is outdated by the OT.
False statement. Considering you've shown to know almost nothing of Star Trek, I assume you just made that up right now, didn't you? LoL, what a troll.
Why don't you actually give evidence to support your statement? Prove it. And besides, I've been posting this point for quite a while, showing that you didn't actually read my posts.
LoL, you don't even know what the Celestials can bring to the table. Better go Wiki it now.
Actually, I do.
200 trillion gigawatts vs 15 billion gigawatts. This alone shows the HUGE power difference between Star Wars ships (200 trillion gigawatts) and Star Trek ships (15 billion gigawatts). Note that the former isn't even a relavtively powerful Star Wars ships; far more powerful star destroyers than the Acclamator existed, whereas Jaden101 was using the highest number he could find.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Species 8472 are nasty and could duplicate themselves rapidly. They are also telepathic. Mix with the Borg is a very nasty combo and could wipe out billions of the SW races.Thalaron radiation is also very nasty.
Changelings are great for spying and espionage.
ST has the tools to beat SW.
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts reactor power
Star Trek: 15 billion (according to Janus101) gigawatts reactor power
The numbers show a lot
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Are you really sinking this low? Making insults like this are really immoral and unethical.
LoL, troll fail.
But here, I'll help you, as you can't figure out how insane your post are increasing becoming.
Ask yourself these questions:
1)Is Earth and Earth's history part of Star Trek?
Spoiler:
Yes
2) Are "machine guns and grenades" part of Earth's history?
Spoiler:
Yes
3) Where machines guns and Grenades ever shown on Star Trek:TNG, or certain films?
Spoiler:
Yes
4) Who the hell cares about machine guns and grenades? A simple phaser (not close to being the most powerful hand-held weapon in ST) could disintegrate a battalion of men.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall Why don't you actually give evidence to support your statement? Prove it. And besides, I've been posting this point for quite a while, showing that you didn't actually read my posts.
The Borg alone show your guess on Star Trek "inhabited planets and people" to be wrong. Then we add the rest of Star Trek. See.\
Going to ignore your two other comments, as they're based on a lie you continue to regurgitate. Also, LoL at your Celestials angle, you don't even know what they do. Better start reading.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, troll fail.But here, I'll help you, as you can't figure out how insane your post are increasing becoming.
Ask yourself these questions:
1)Is Earth and Earth's history part of Star Trek?
Spoiler:
Yes2) Are "machine guns and grenades" part of Earth's history?
Spoiler:
Yes3) Where machines guns and Grenades ever shown on Star Trek:TNG, or certain films?
Spoiler:
Yes4) Who the hell cares about machine guns and grenades? A simple phaser (not close to being the most powerful hand-held weapon in ST) could disintegrate a battalion of men.
The Borg alone show your guess on Star Trek "inhabited planets and people" to be wrong. Then we add the rest of Star Trek. See.
200 trillion gigawatts of reactor power (Star Wars, based on canon sources) vs 15 billion gigawatts (Star Trek, and based off of Janus101's calculations which you support) of reactor power.
Also, what about Star War's AT-ATs?
What about Star Wars's advanced armor?
What about Star War's Jedi and other Force users?
What about Star War's 10 kilometer range, half meter hole in the Star Wars version of concrete penetrating DC15 blaster rifles?
BTW, please show me (while also countering the rest of my post) an example to support your claim.
Oh, and explain to me why Federation ground troops get overrun by Kilgon ground troops charging into battle with melee weapons. 😉 According to you they should have been able to wipe out the entire batallion with one phaser.
Originally posted by The Nuul
ST has evolved past those basic weapons.SW only threat are the Siths and Jedis.
What about AT-ATs?
Lol @ "basic" weapons. Explain to me how a Star Trek phaser would do anything to Star Wars AT-ATs.