Originally posted by -Pr-
eh, no. that's not true at all. they got that close because it's easier to dodge borg weapons the closer they get.your "argument" is invalidated by this:
this:
this:
look at what Kira says to Sisko when he says to wait until they get to 500m. It's an unusually small distance for Star Trek.
then there's this (fast forward to 3:15):
then there's the fact that Star Trek ships usually fight at relatively huge distances while at warp, their weapons travelling effectively over thousands of metres.
The effective range is star trek ships is well over a kilometre. Any statement to the contrary is actually trolling, considering the amount of evidence supporting the amount of large distances.
1. Your justification for them getting that close implies that the borg have crap targeting systems.
2. Even in those videos you showed they still weren't at a range comparable to Star Wars space battles.
3. Your 500 m statement actually shows my point. Even though it's unusual, in Star Wars 100 kilometers is considered to be point blank range.
4. "well over a kilometer" - I'm not denying that. I was stating that it's typically under 5 kilometers, compared to Star Wars ships fighting in several thousand mile ranges.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Your justification for them getting that close implies that the borg have crap targeting systems.
2. Even in those videos you showed they still weren't at a range comparable to Star Wars space battles.
3. Your 500 m statement actually shows my point. Even though it's unusual, in Star Wars 100 kilometers is considered to be [b]point blank range.
4. "well over a kilometer" - I'm not denying that. I was stating that it's typically under 5 kilometers, compared to Star Wars ships fighting in several thousand mile ranges. [/B]
1. no.
2. yes they were. they were even further away.
3. star trek ships are hundreds of metres long. you're talking the length of a ship between them and the jem'hadar fighter in that scene, so no, you're reaching.
4. it's not typically under 5 kilometres when they're moving at warp.
when in star wars?
Originally posted by -Pr-
1. no.
2. yes they were. they were even further away.
3. star trek ships are hundreds of metres long. you're talking the length of a ship between them and the jem'hadar fighter in that scene, so no, you're reaching.
4. it's not typically under 5 kilometres when they're moving at warp.when in star wars?
1. Yes, you said that the borg cubes would miss more often at close ranges.
2. Um, no, not by thousands of miles.
3. I don't understand your point. I didn't claim that they regularly fought within 500 meter distances.
4. You said "well over a kilometer" which is not much compared to thousands of kilometers.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Yes, you said that the borg cubes would miss more often at close ranges.
2. Um, no, not by thousands of miles.
3. I don't understand your point. I didn't claim that they regularly fought within 500 meter distances.
4. You said "well over a kilometer" which is not much compared to thousands of kilometers.
1. only because the federation ships are more maneuverable. don't twist my words.
2. far away enough.
3. i didn't say you did.
4. and i asked for an example of what you're talking about.
Originally posted by -Pr-
1. only because the federation ships are more maneuverable. don't twist my words.
2. far away enough.
3. i didn't say you did.
4. and i asked for an example of what you're talking about.
1. Aren't Stars Wars starfighters faster, more maneuverable AND smaller (and thus harder to hit)? Jedi starfighters had a maximum speed of 12,000 kmh.
2. Star Wars battles happen at ranges of thousands of miles.
3. Then what are you trying to say?
4. Battle of Endor
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The canon figure's actually 25,000 ISDs.
The movies are top tier canon.
The above video shows that Star Trek ships have a range lower than that of many Star Wars hand held weapons. This "warp strafing" that Jaden101 brags about is invalid since he doesn't understand the difference between effective range and maximum range.
Yet i've already proven that Borg ship can hit the enterprise at over warp 9 without missing.
My 2.4 million megaton vs 1160 megaton figure still stands. As I've explained, the 2.4 million megaton figure is from a canon source, and Jaden101's blabbing about it contradicting other sources is because he mixed up light turbolasers and heavy turbolasers
No I didn't. You lied. You were caught out. Best not to repeat your nonsense figures anymore.
My flying debris statement still stands. The asteroid argument doesn't counter it since an asteroid that size is FAR more deadly than a small amount of flying debris.
Executor taken out by a tiny ship.
Star Wars is technologically superior to Star Trek by thousands of orders of magnitude. Numerically its superior by thousands of orders of magnitude. Admit it.
How many times are you going to just repeat yourself.
You have no answer for the fact that SW has no time travel ability. No ability to travel to other universes, No ability to travel to other dimensions, No weapons that exist outwith space and time, No transporters, No replicators, Nothing coming close the massive technological advancements neccessary to build a Dyson's sphere, Nothing that matches the Iconian gateway, Nothing that matches the destructive power of a multi kinetic neutronic mine,
Also, how would Star Trek even know where the Star Wars planets are? The Federation had been around for hundreds of years and still hadn't even completely mapped out the Alpha quadrant.
Your point being. Lets extrapolate it shall we. The Federation had been around for about 200 years and had mapped about 1/4 of the alpha quadrant, parts of the gamma quadrant, parts of the Beta quadrant and a large part of the delta quadrant (thanks to 7 of 9's upgrades to astrometrics)
SW chronology had been going for what...10's of thousands of years yet by the time of the Empire an entire quarter of their galaxy still hadn't been mapped.
Explain this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unzks94NvOI&feature=related
1st encounter with the Borg a single drone beams straight through the Enterprise's shields as if they weren't there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Z4079SgEU&feature=related
They then chase the Enterprise at speeds over warp 9 and are fired on which had no effect.
They then return fire with pin point accuracy with their shield draining ships.
Even though it's unusual, in Star Wars 100 kilometers is considered to be point blank range.
So how do you answer the fact that on screen, in the battle of Corascant and the Battle of Endor the empire and rebel/republic ships fight side by side like old galleons used to do within all but 10's of feet of one another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cU0BYXlTuI
The evidence is right there on screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ
Your claim is that they can fire thousands of km's yet at 1:42 they are within that distance of the Death Star yet they're never seen fighting at distances even coming close to that.
At 2:06 there within that of the Fleet of SD's yet noone fires.
The fighters only start firing when they're right on top of the rebel fleet.
At 3:05 the fleets of big ships are very close to each other yet they're still not firing.
Then there's the conversation just after 3:50. "We have no choice, General Calrissian, Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude" (Yet the old enterprise could)
At 4:44 again the big ships pull up along side each other and THAT'S when they finally start fighting.
So...I'll leave it to Dr Cox to play us out.
Originally posted by jaden101
The movies are top tier canon.
Yes, but Han Solo is not.
Yet i've already proven that Borg ship can hit the enterprise at over warp 9 without missing.
Yet why do they fight in 5 kilometer battles?
No I didn't. You lied. You were caught out. Best not to repeat your nonsense figures anymore.
Explain to me how my figure was wrong when it was a canon source that had not been contradicted; it couldn't have been, since there was no other source that talked about the Acclamator's power.
Executor taken out by a tiny ship.
Context, context, context.
How many times are you going to just repeat yourself.
How many times are you going to ignore my arguments and argue in circles?
You have no answer for the fact that SW has no time travel ability. No ability to travel to other universes, No ability to travel to other dimensions, No weapons that exist outwith space and time, No transporters, No replicators, Nothing coming close the massive technological advancements neccessary to build a Dyson's sphere, Nothing that matches the Iconian gateway, Nothing that matches the destructive power of a multi kinetic neutronic mine,
The "multi kinetic neutronic mine" part is something that you keep on mentioning and claiming that Star Wars has "no counter for it" while ignoring the fact that centerpoint station from Star Wars can create black holes.
Your point being. Lets extrapolate it shall we. The Federation had been around for about 200 years and had mapped about 1/4 of the alpha quadrant, parts of the gamma quadrant, parts of the Beta quadrant and a large part of the delta quadrant (thanks to 7 of 9's upgrades to astrometrics)
SW chronology had been going for what...10's of thousands of years yet by the time of the Empire an entire quarter of their galaxy still hadn't been mapped.
Ever heard of the Jedi Archives seen in multiple sources, namely AOTC? It had data on every planet in the Star Wars galaxy.
Explain this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unzks94NvOI&feature=related
1st encounter with the Borg a single drone beams straight through the Enterprise's shields as if they weren't there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Z4079SgEU&feature=related
They then chase the Enterprise at speeds over warp 9 and are fired on which had no effect.
They then return fire with pin point accuracy with their shield draining ships.
Not that impressive in comparison to Star Wars, since the Enterprise's shields could barely handle flying debris.
So how do you answer the fact that on screen, in the battle of Corascant and the Battle of Endor the empire and rebel/republic ships fight side by side like old galleons used to do within all but 10's of feet of one another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cU0BYXlTuI
The evidence is right there on screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ
Your claim is that they can fire thousands of km's yet at 1:42 they are within that distance of the Death Star yet they're never seen fighting at distances even coming close to that.
At 2:06 there within that of the Fleet of SD's yet noone fires.
The fighters only start firing when they're right on top of the rebel fleet.
At 3:05 the fleets of big ships are very close to each other yet they're still not firing.
Then there's the conversation just after 3:50. "We have no choice, General Calrissian, Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude" (Yet the old enterprise could)
At 4:44 again the big ships pull up along side each other and THAT'S when they finally start fighting.
So...I'll leave it to Dr Cox to play us out.
I've explained the Battle of Coruscant multiple times; the CIS needed to get close enough for their transports to land troops.
For your other piece of evidence, you apparently didn't listen closely enough where the commanders of the star destroyers were confused when they didn't receive an order to fire and instead received an order not to fire; this shows that they could have fired.
Yes, but Han Solo is not.
It was stated on screen. It's top tier canon.
Do I need to remind you of the policy on canon in these forums?
we believe our canon policy is based on sensible and appropriate grounds, taken from the fundamental premise that George Lucas is king of all things Star Wars, that the films are the most important part of Star Wars, and everything else must be judged relevant to those two factors.
Yet why do they fight in 5 kilometer battles?
Because it looks visually better on screen. It'd be a bit pointless showing 2 fleets standing stationary and firing at other ships so far away that they are basically invisible to the viewer.
Explain to me how my figure was wrong when it was a canon source that had not been contradicted; it couldn't have been, since there was no other source that talked about the Acclamator's power.
It's contradicted by on screen evidence from the films for a start. A heavy turbolaser battery fires point blank range to an unshielded gun battery across a tiny distance and all it causes is a small explosion in the gun deck which destroys the gun battery. If they're as powerful as you claim then it would have vapourised the enemy vessel instantly.
Context, context, context.
What context is there to give?...A tiny single seater fighter crashed in to one of the largest and most powerful ships in the Empire's fleet and caused it so much damage than it plunged into the death star and was completely destroyed.
You tried to state that it's shields were down despite not being shown on screen and despite being completely opposed to the fact that the ship was in the middle of a massive battle so why the hell would it have its shields down?
The "multi kinetic neutronic mine" part is something that you keep on mentioning and claiming that Star Wars has "no counter for it" while ignoring the fact that centerpoint station from Star Wars can create black holes.
So one of the most massive and powerful constructions in all of SW history can do the same job as a tiny little blob of red matter?
Ever heard of the Jedi Archives seen in multiple sources, namely AOTC? It had data on every planet in the Star Wars galaxy.
Except that it obviously didn't seeing as events AFTER AOTC the galaxy still hadn't been mapped.
Not that impressive in comparison to Star Wars, since the Enterprise's shields could barely handle flying debris.
Except that it's obviously indicative that the Borg can simply analyse and beam straight through shields. Given that the Borg have personal transporters built in to them they could could simply beam 100,000 drones through the shields of a Star Destroyer and overwhelm the idiot storm troopers onboard thus assimilating a star destroyer and thus knowing the capabilities of all the star destroyers and would thus make them adapted to all star destroyers...The end.
I've explained the Battle of Coruscant multiple times; the CIS needed to get close enough for their transports to land troops.
Explains why they were close for landing on the planet. Doesn't explain why they didn't blow up all the republic ships before even getting near though does it.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Aren't Stars Wars starfighters faster, more maneuverable AND smaller (and thus harder to hit)? Jedi starfighters had a maximum speed of 12,000 kmh.
2. Star Wars battles happen at ranges of thousands of miles.
3. Then what are you trying to say?
4. Battle of Endor
1. than what?
2. the effective range of a photon torpedo is just under 300,000 km.
3. that you were wrong in your assessment of the battle i showed.
4. what ships in that battle were thousands of miles from each other?
Originally posted by jaden101
It was stated on screen. It's top tier canon.Do I need to remind you of the policy on canon in these forums?
Are you claiming that Han Solo has complete knowledge of the imperial fleet?
Because it looks visually better on screen. It'd be a bit pointless showing 2 fleets standing stationary and firing at other ships so far away that they are basically invisible to the viewer.
And yet you were making your argument about the Battle of Coruscant being fought over small distances when the same logic you're using could be used against you (possibly even more, since that space battle was like the opening battle and supposed to look super epic and cool)...hypocrite?
It's contradicted by on screen evidence from the films for a start. A heavy turbolaser battery fires point blank range to an unshielded gun battery across a tiny distance and all it causes is a small explosion in the gun deck which destroys the gun battery. If they're as powerful as you claim then it would have vapourised the enemy vessel instantly.
1. Prove that it was from a heavy turbolaser.
2. Ever heard of armor?
3. When did that happen?
What context is there to give?...A tiny single seater fighter crashed in to one of the largest and most powerful ships in the Empire's fleet and caused it so much damage than it plunged into the death star and was completely destroyed.
You tried to state that it's shields were down despite not being shown on screen and despite being completely opposed to the fact that the ship was in the middle of a massive battle so why the hell would it have its shields down?
Actually, before that A wing pilot made that suicide run the shield generator of the eclipse was destroyed. Heck, it was even stated and shown.
So one of the most massive and powerful constructions in all of SW history can do the same job as a tiny little blob of red matter?
So a starfighter sized ship (sun crusher) can make a larger boom than a much larger ship (a borg cube)? See how I can use your logic against you?
Except that it obviously didn't seeing as events AFTER AOTC the galaxy still hadn't been mapped.
Since when? What makes you think that?
Except that it's obviously indicative that the Borg can simply analyse and beam straight through shields. Given that the Borg have personal transporters built in to them they could could simply beam 100,000 drones through the shields of a Star Destroyer and overwhelm the idiot storm troopers onboard thus assimilating a star destroyer and thus knowing the capabilities of all the star destroyers and would thus make them adapted to all star destroyers...The end.
Except a lot of those drones would get beamed into places that wouldn't be that good for them (such as in the middle of a wall), many more would get trapped by ray shields and emergency blast doors closing, and the remaining would get blasted by stormtroopers (or whatever troopers are manning it depending on what Star Wars civilization controlled that star destroyer).
Oh, and the borg cube would have gotten blown up by 2.4 million megaton weapons before it got close enough to use transportors - note that in a lot of borg vs Federation battles the borg were damaged by 1160 megaton weapons, so they'd logically be badly damaged (or, more likely, get destroyed) by a single direct hit from a 2.4 million megaton weapon. In this case they'd get hit by over 20 of those firing at a rate of 1 shot every 1 or 2 seconds.
Explains why they were close for landing on the planet. Doesn't explain why they didn't blow up all the republic ships before even getting near though does it.
Because those Republic ships had shields far more powerful than Federation shields.
Star Wars would also have starfighters, which actually move faster at their maximum speeds than Star Trek weapons do, meaning that they could fly circles around Federation starships while pounding them with weapons far more powerful than 1160 megatons.
Originally posted by -Pr-
1. than what?
2. the effective range of a photon torpedo is just under 300,000 km.
3. that you were wrong in your assessment of the battle i showed.
4. what ships in that battle were thousands of miles from each other?
1. Than the starships that the borg cube was incapable of consistently hitting.
2. Yet at that range by the time they travel 300,000 km the ship that the torpedo was targeting would have had a very long time to get out of the way.
3. I was really making an assessment of THAT battle.
4. The imperial star destroyers and the Rebel fleet were quite a while away from eachother, and the distance might actually be smaller than usual since it was supposed to be a trap.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Than the starships that the borg cube was incapable of consistently hitting.2. Yet at that range by the time they travel 300,000 km the ship that the torpedo was targeting would have had a very long time to get out of the way.
3. I was really making an assessment of THAT battle.
4. The imperial star destroyers and the Rebel fleet were quite a while away from eachother, and the distance might actually be smaller than usual since it was supposed to be a trap.
i never said the borg would miss. i said the ships would be harder to hit. the borg cube still wtfpwned the entire fleet.
why? torpedoes can track and move at light speed. they're self propelled too.
an incorrect one.
the star destroyers didn't get involved until the death star fired, and once they did they were a lot closer than thousands of miles away.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i never said the borg would miss. i said the ships would be harder to hit. the borg cube still wtfpwned the entire fleet.why? torpedoes can track and move at light speed. they're self propelled too.
an incorrect one.
the star destroyers didn't get involved until the death star fired, and once they did they were a lot closer than thousands of miles away.
1. Yet it took them a while, and they missed several times. If they miss several relatively slow moving and large starships even at 5 kilometers or less of a range, how do you expect them to consistently hit smaller and more maneuverable starfighters moving at extremely high speeds?
2. "and move at light speed" - except that this obviously isn't true, as proton torpedoes moved far slower than light speed in every time they're shown firing; they weren't moving at the speed of sound or even that faster than 100 mph.
3. What was your point with that statement then when you brought it up?
4. This was specifically stated in the movie; the commanders were wondering why they were ordered not to fire despite being in range, and on the Rebel side Lando commented on how its strange that the star destroyers weren't firing.
Are you claiming that Han Solo has complete knowledge of the imperial fleet?
Given that his life and his livelihood depend on his knowledge of the Empire then i'd say it's extremely unlikely he's going to be wrong by a factor of 25.
And yet you were making your argument about the Battle of Coruscant being fought over small distances when the same logic you're using could be used against you (possibly even more, since that space battle was like the opening battle and supposed to look super epic and cool)...hypocrite?
Yet ST manages to fight over longer distances than shown at the battle of Corascant and still looked effective. If anything the battle of Corascant looked poor and cluttered in comparison to, say for example, the battle at the end of Serenity.
1. Prove that it was from a heavy turbolaser. 2. Ever heard of armor? 3. When did that happen?
1: They're hardly likely to be firing their weak weapons at an opposing and equally powerful ship at close range.
2: It hit an open gun deck.
3: During the battle of Corascant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiHO3UZBRo&feature=related
About 8:10 onwards.
All they do is topple over an enemy gun and cause a small explosion.
Speaking of size of explosion. How is it that if an ST phaser is orders of magnitude less powerful than SW weapons that they cause far larger explosions. Take for example when the Enterprise D is fighting the Borg cube in Q-Who. The size of the explosions envelope about a 3rd the face of the cube and a cube's face is over double the size of an imperial class destroyer.
Actually, before that A wing pilot made that suicide run the shield generator of the eclipse was destroyed. Heck, it was even stated and shown.
Yet still even without a shield a fighter all of what...10 metres across can take out a ship that is supposed to be 19km long.
So a starfighter sized ship (sun crusher) can make a larger boom than a much larger ship (a borg cube)? See how I can use your logic against you?
It's not the logic of size that i'm using. It's the fact that one of SW most powerful weapons only does the same damage as a blob of matter from ST.
We could go to extremes and bring the Omega particle in to the size debate if you want. Where a single molecule of it destabilizing would obliterate the death star and the entire fleet at the battle of endor.
Except a lot of those drones would get beamed into places that wouldn't be that good for them (such as in the middle of a wall), many more would get trapped by ray shields and emergency blast doors closing, and the remaining would get blasted by stormtroopers (or whatever troopers are manning it depending on what Star Wars civilization controlled that star destroyer).
And your basis for that assumption is what exactly? That they haven't encountered SD's before?...They hadn't encountered the federation before yet the 1st two drones still managed to beam directly in to engineering and the bridge of the enterprise. They're not idiots...They know how to analyse a ship's structure. Then there's also the fact that as soon as a single drone was killed by a storm trooper they would have adapted to the blasters and make them completely useless.
Because those Republic ships had shields far more powerful than Federation shields.
Best you actually address the points I'm making rather than something you think I've said.
Star Wars would also have starfighters, which actually move faster at their maximum speeds than Star Trek weapons do, meaning that they could fly circles around Federation starships while pounding them with weapons far more powerful than 1160 megatons.
Once again what's your basis for this given that i've shown that ST weapons can fire in excess of warp 9 and that SW ships don't actually fight at speeds even approaching warp speed.
Besides you still haven't even given any figures for SW fighter's weapons and i've already given an example of where a SW fighter's lasers are barely strong enough to blow up droids.
Originally posted by jaden101Interpretations of characters' lines are too subjective. That line was retconned--Han was made to be speaking arbitrarily in the heat of the moment, and his words are not gospel. The figure for the Empire is 25,000 ISDs. Just like how Palpatine's line of "this Republic that has stood for a 1000 years..." or Sio Bibble's "There hasn't been a full-scale war since the formation of the Republic" are both contradictory to Obi-Wan's line of "For a thousand generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace in the Old Republic." Palpatine's and Bibble's line were retconned to be speaking of the Republic has it appeared following the Ruusan Reformation of 1,000 BBY.
The movies are top tier canon.
Likewise similar is Palpatine's "Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy." The Sith have never ruled the galaxy, only portions of it. But his line is not gospel as an in-universe perspective.
Originally posted by jaden101
Given that his life and his livelihood depend on his knowledge of the Empire then i'd say it's extremely unlikely he's going to be wrong by a factor of 25.
Ever heard of a figure of speech?
Yet ST manages to fight over longer distances than shown at the battle of Corascant and still looked effective. If anything the battle of Corascant looked poor and cluttered in comparison to, say for example, the battle at the end of Serenity.
This isn't a contest of which franchise makes space battles look better.
1: They're hardly likely to be firing their weak weapons at an opposing and equally powerful ship at close range.
2: It hit an open gun deck.
3: During the battle of Corascant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiHO3UZBRo&feature=related
About 8:10 onwards.
All they do is topple over an enemy gun and cause a small explosion.
Those aren't turbolasers. Those are some sort of manned cannon looking like guns.
Speaking of size of explosion. How is it that if an ST phaser is orders of magnitude less powerful than SW weapons that they cause far larger explosions. Take for example when the Enterprise D is fighting the Borg cube in Q-Who. The size of the explosions envelope about a 3rd the face of the cube and a cube's face is over double the size of an imperial class destroyer.
And yet star destroyers were stated in some canon EU sources to be able to render a planet uninhabitable.
Yet still even without a shield a fighter all of what...10 metres across can take out a ship that is supposed to be 19km long.
That doesn't have to do with durability. Even if the star destroyer was somehow made out of glass a fighter of that size moving at that speed would not have caused an explosion that size without their having been some sort of explosives or other device on board, which it did (proton torpedos).
It's not the logic of size that i'm using. It's the fact that one of SW most powerful weapons only does the same damage as a blob of matter from ST.
"A blog of matter" - you do realize that everything tangible that we know of is made out of matter, right?
We could go to extremes and bring the Omega particle in to the size debate if you want. Where a single molecule of it destabilizing would obliterate the death star and the entire fleet at the battle of endor.
You started that debate, I'm not thinking that it's as important as you claim.
And your basis for that assumption is what exactly? That they haven't encountered SD's before?...They hadn't encountered the federation before yet the 1st two drones still managed to beam directly in to engineering and the bridge of the enterprise. They're not idiots...They know how to analyse a ship's structure. Then there's also the fact that as soon as a single drone was killed by a storm trooper they would have adapted to the blasters and make them completely useless.
They had encountered similar vessels.
They can't adapt that quickly; they typically adapt after a battle not in the middle of it.
Best you actually address the points I'm making rather than something you think I've said.
Please clarify.
Once again what's your basis for this given that i've shown that ST weapons can fire in excess of warp 9 and that SW ships don't actually fight at speeds even approaching warp speed.
The ships only fire that fast when warp strafing, but note that they wouldn't actually significantly damage Star Wars star destroyers; 1160 megaton weapons would not do much damage to a shielded star destroyer that can withstand multiple 2.4 million megaton blasts.
Besides you still haven't even given any figures for SW fighter's weapons and i've already given an example of where a SW fighter's lasers are barely strong enough to blow up droids.
Maybe the anti personnel and anti fighter laser cannons, but the heavier anti ship weapons can damage 70 trillion gigawatt shields.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Yet it took them a while, and they missed several times. If they miss several relatively slow moving and large starships even at 5 kilometers or less of a range, how do you expect them to consistently hit smaller and more maneuverable starfighters moving at extremely high speeds?2. "and move at light speed" - except that this obviously isn't true, as proton torpedoes moved far slower than light speed in every time they're shown firing; they weren't moving at the speed of sound or even that faster than 100 mph.
3. What was your point with that statement then when you brought it up?
4. This was specifically stated in the movie; the commanders were wondering why they were ordered not to fire despite being in range, and on the Rebel side Lando commented on how its strange that the star destroyers weren't firing.
1. The starships weren't slow. Full Impulse is 447,387,258 miles per hour for an Intrepid Class Starship. It was also stated that some starships can travel at 80% the speed of light by moving purely at full impulse speed.
2. PHOTON. NOT PROTON. And no, they were moving faster, even in the videos i showed you. They have travelled faster than light on many occasions. THAT IS A FACT. To say otherwise is actual trolling.
3. 500m is an insanely close distance in Star Trek. It is considered dangerous for ships to actually move that closely together. They're used to being dozens if not hundreds of kilometres away from one another during combat.
4. I know that. I never said they were out of range. They weren't "thousands of miles" away either, though.