Kalibak vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Sounds kinda dumb. Thanos has no feats per say but we know how strong he is because of who he fights. So you kinda failed really bad at your attempt. We already know how fast WW can react to. So if she has on panel stated that she couldn't react to Cheetah, We know cheetah is faster. You are on a roll today. Making me LOL. You said Spider Man was faster than Cheetah. LMAO

So since deathstroke and grundy kept up with wonder woman I guess that makes them faster than Spiderman.

Since batman kept up with wonder woman during a spar, I guess that makes him on spiderman level.

Since hulk kept up with the surfer, thor, hyperion, gladiator, sentry, firelord, etc.... I guess that puts him on their level? I dont understand half of the people that post on the forum, they tend to give people powers that they dont possess and use the most terrible abc logic I have seen in my life.

Thanos pimp slapping high heralds knocking them the hell out is completely different from GIVING someone a speed that they dont have. If thats the case, street levelers would all possess light speed. Hell, everyone in comics that fought surfer and flash would have light speed reaction/flight.

Originally posted by carver9
So since deathstroke and grundy kept up with wonder woman I guess that makes them faster than Spiderman.

Since batman kept up with wonder woman during a spar, I guess that makes him on spiderman level.

Since hulk kept up with the surfer, thor, hyperion, gladiator, sentry, firelord, etc.... I guess that puts them on his level? I dont understand half of the people that post on the forum, they tend to give people powers that they dont possess and use the most terrible abc logic I have seen in my life.

Thanos pimp slapping high heralds knocking them the hell out is completely different from GIVING someone a speed that they dont have. If thats the case, street levelers would all possess light speed. Hell, everyone in comics that fought surfer and flash would have light speed reaction/flight.

Deathstroke was 3 upgrades ago. Deathstroke also has advanced perception and reflexes. But even then, Wonder Woman was not able to react to cheetah at all. Keep up. This is upgraded Wonder Woman. using Deathstroke is a point loss for you.

You also, didn't know that WW routinely depowers herself and lowers her reflex speed to spar with lower powered opponents. If you are going to say ridiculous things like Spiderman is faster than cheetah, at least have some kind of shred of logic and backing. You have nothing.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I can't believe that you're saying that debating for a character in a given fight should revolve around whether he/she sucks or is a terrible character instead of their given attributes.

ps hanging in a fight against Thor and Hercules (ie being comparable to them in physical characteristics) proves to me that a character can more than hang with Wolverine. Unless you believe that Wolverine > Thor and Herc.

You cant use who a person fought to determine a win over someone else. Wolverine just got through sparring against thor, can I use that? Its stupid and ares have no rights or even the powerset to last 2 panels against thor, neither does wolverine.

Wolverine has beaten herc TWICE, so what was your point in bringing him up?

Originally posted by carver9
This does not make sense but I'm not going to argue against it, I'm leaving this alone. 😕

Certain characters set the standards for a given attribute in Marvel and DC.

For example, in DC strength is nearly always measured in comparison to Superman. WW, Martian Manhunter, Black Adam, Captain Marvel are typically described in terms of being Superman's superior/inferior/equal. Thus Superman raises and lowers the strength bar as each writers depicts his strength level differently.

In Marvel Wolverine sets the standard for healing. Again other character's healing factors are typically compared to Wolverine's. He tends to set the bar.

Similarly, the Flash sets the standard for speed in DC and likewise many heroes and villain are given some degree of super speed just to make them somewhat comparable to the Flash and to keep him from being essentially unbeatable (as would be the case if everyone else only had human-speed)

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You are so terrible at debating and Paying attention. Not kept up with wonder woman. let's get some things in order since you obviously don't pay attention.

Deathstroke was 3 upgrades ago. Deathstroke also has advanced perception and reflexes. But even then, Wonder Woman was not able to react to cheetah at all. Keep up. This is upgraded Wonder Woman. using Deathstroke is a point loss for you.

You also, didn't know that WW routinely depowers herself and lowers her reflex speed to spar with lower powered opponents. If you are going to say ridiculous things like Spiderman is faster than cheetah, at least have some kind of shred of logic and backing. You have nothing.

My debating is terrible compared to yours. 😆

Deathstroke is NOWHERE CLOSE to spiderman OR Wolverines speed. He should not be tagging wonder woman, but he did. Wonder woman gets tagged in almost every comic that she appears in on a regular basis by people that are slower than her but you using that in a debate as this person that tagged her moves at such and such speed is just plain out retarded (not calling you retarded).

If Cheetah received ANOTHER upgrade in speed since the last one zoom gave her and flash took away then can you please prove this because if we're using the old cheetah then spiderman AND wolverine is faster than her.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Certain characters set the standards for a given attribute in Marvel and DC.

For example, in DC strength is nearly always measured in comparison to Superman. WW, Martian Manhunter, Black Adam, Captain Marvel are typically described in terms of being Superman's superior/inferior/equal. Thus Superman raises and lowers the strength bar as each writers depicts his strength level differently.

In Marvel Wolverine sets the standard for healing. Again other character's healing factors are typically compared to Wolverine's. He tends to set the bar.

Similarly, the Flash sets the standard for speed in DC and likewise many heroes and villain are given some degree of super speed just to make them somewhat comparable to the Flash and to keep him from being essentially unbeatable (as would be the case if everyone else only had human-speed)

This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
My debating is terrible compared to yours. 😆

Deathstroke is NOWHERE CLOSE to spiderman OR Wolverines speed. He should not be tagging wonder woman, but he did. Wonder woman gets tagged in almost every comic that she appears in on a regular basis by people that are slower than her but you using that in a debate as this person that tagged her moves at such and such speed is just plain out retarded (not calling you retarded).

If Cheetah received ANOTHER upgrade in speed since the last one zoom gave her and flash took away then can you please prove this because if we're using the old cheetah then spiderman AND wolverine is faster than her.

I take one part back in this sentence, Deathstroke is comparable to wolverne and Spiderman, I meant to say Wonder woman.

Originally posted by carver9
My debating is terrible compared to yours. 😆

Deathstroke is NOWHERE CLOSE to spiderman OR Wolverines speed. He should not be tagging wonder woman, but he did. Wonder woman gets tagged in almost every comic that she appears in on a regular basis by people that are slower than her but you using that in a debate as this person that tagged her moves at such and such speed is just plain out retarded (not calling you retarded).

If Cheetah received ANOTHER upgrade in speed since the last one zoom gave her and flash took away then can you please prove this because if we're using the old cheetah then spiderman AND wolverine is faster than her.

Originally posted by carver9
You cant use who a person fought to determine a win over someone else. Wolverine just got through sparring against thor, can I use that? Its stupid and ares have no rights or even the powerset to last 2 panels against thor, neither does wolverine.

Wolverine has beaten herc TWICE, so what was your point in bringing him up?

1. When did Thor recently "spar" against Wolverine?

2. Was that Immortal or Mortal Hercules and when did it happen?

3. How does Ares not have the powerset to fight Thor??? 🤨 He has godly strength, stamina, and durability just like nearly every other Thor villain.

Wolverine has not beaten Herc twice, don't listen to him.

He tipped Hercules by smashing a table across him. And a mind-altered Wolverine beat mortal Herc in Contest of Champion, worse piece of crap ever written.

Originally posted by carver9
This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

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You said you didn't understand one of my posts so I tried to explain it more clearly. Please try and keep up.

Ares is a shit character and cannot put up a fight against Thor. Thor is way more powerful and is much better in all areas.

Like I have always said in the past, Ares is a wannabe God going by feats. Thor is the real deal.

Logan didnt beat Herc and never will with proper writing.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Dude. Death Stroke Tagged Wonder Woman 3 upgrades ago. Wonder Woman was a lot less powerful then. You should know that. Also, Death stroke has tagged flashes, and beaten the whole titans. I'd say his reflexes are as good as Spiderman's. Don't make statements without backing them up. Flash did Not take cheetah's upgrade away. He stole her speed as he does alot. it's not permanent. Why do I bother with you. Your view of DC comics is crazy. It's almost as bad as some of the others around here.

Flash took the speed that Zoom helped her with, it was shown in the comic. Deathstroke tagging any flash is pis and ds does not have the feats that proves he's on spiderman or wolverines level of speed. He can tag them but they are faster than him.

How about this, since we know that Superboy is on the teen titans and Deathstroke BEAT the teen titans, make a thread with Deathstroke vs Superboy and see what response you get. Dont bring up something when it has no weight.

Again, would you like to compare speed feats with Spiderman and Cheetah because I'm ready?

Originally posted by TheKahn
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You said you didn't understand one of my posts so I tried to explain it more clearly. Please try and keep up.

You saying ares can fight thor is pointless. Thor>>>>Ares; Ares shouldnt last two panels against thor and if this is a all out thor one solid lick from thors hammer should kill him in one panel.

Your statement was pointless.

Originally posted by carver9
Flash took the speed that Zoom helped her with, it was shown in the comic. Deathstroke tagging any flash is pis and ds does not have the feats that proves he's on spiderman or wolverines level of speed. He can tag them but they are faster than him.

How about this, since we know that Superboy is on the teen titans and Deathstroke BEAT the teen titans, make a thread with Deathstroke vs Superboy and see what response you get. Dont bring up something when it has no weight.

Again, would you like to compare speed feats with Spiderman and Cheetah because I'm ready?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
how about since Death stroke had prep, we know that he can beat Superboy with prep. Please. You make me laugh. And Zoom teaches people about their abilities. He does not amp them. he didn't give cheetah and upgrade and unless flash erased Cheetah's memory, she still has the knowlege of What zoom taught here. DS tagging flashes is not PIS when he does it all of the time and he has upgraded mental processing speeds, and reflexes.

Why bring up a prep fight? 😕

Are you saying that Deathstroke have light speed reflexes?

Originally posted by carver9
Why bring up a prep fight? 😕

Are you saying that Deathstroke have light speed reflexes?

Originally posted by carver9
You saying ares can fight thor is pointless. Thor>>>>Ares; Ares shouldnt last two panels against thor and if this is a all out thor one solid lick from thors hammer should kill him in one panel.

Your statement was pointless.

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When has Thor ever killed a fellow god with one solid hit? Hell, in his recent fight with Bor an Odinforce wielding Thor needed all his power to kill his opponent and the resulting strike broke Mjolnir.

You sill haven't answered my questions...

Originally posted by TheKahn
1. When did Thor recently "spar" against Wolverine?

2. Was that Immortal or Mortal Hercules and when did it happen?

3. How does Ares not have the powerset to fight Thor??? 🤨 He has godly strength, stamina, and durability just like nearly every other Thor villain.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
You are the one who bought up a prep fight trying to use the Superboy example.

Show me where i brought up prep and again, why would you bring up d/s beating someone when we both know he used prep?

You said that ds is on spiderman and wolverine level of speed bc he fought the titans and we both know that it took prep for him to do that. Spiderman and Wolverine speed feats>Death stroke.