Originally posted by carver9
Show me where i brought up prep and again, why would you bring up d/s beating someone when we both know he used prep?You said that ds is on spiderman and wolverine level of speed bc he fought the titans and we both know that it took prep for him to do that. Spiderman and Wolverine speed feats>Death stroke.
Originally posted by TheKahn
😘When has Thor ever killed a fellow god with one solid hit? Hell, in his recent fight with Bor an Odinforce wielding Thor needed all his power to kill his opponent and the resulting strike broke Mjolnir.
I know you are not comparing bor to ares and since thor has damaged a celestial, galactus, etc... I'm pretty sure he'll KILL ares in one panel if he wanted to.
Thor and ares is on two different levels. Ares is a meta class hero/villain; thor is in surfers league.
Originally posted by carver9
I know you are not comparing bor to ares and since thor has damaged a celestial, galactus, etc... I'm pretty sure he'll KILL ares in one panel if he wanted to.Thor and ares is on two different levels. Ares is a meta class hero/villain; thor is in surfers league.
I like how you make some absurd claim but never respond when someone questions you about it. That really a great debating style.
Let's try again, shall we:
Originally posted by TheKahn
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When has Thor ever killed a fellow god with one solid hit? Hell, in his recent fight with Bor an Odinforce wielding Thor needed all his power to kill his opponent and the resulting strike broke Mjolnir.
Originally posted by TheKahn
1. When did Thor recently "spar" against Wolverine?2. Was that Immortal or Mortal Hercules and when did it happen?
3. How does Ares not have the powerset to fight Thor??? 🤨 He has godly strength, stamina, and durability just like nearly every other Thor villain.
Originally posted by carver9
My debating is terrible compared to yours. 😆Deathstroke is NOWHERE CLOSE to spiderman OR Wolverines speed. He should not be tagging wonder woman, but he did. Wonder woman gets tagged in almost every comic that she appears in on a regular basis by people that are slower than her but you using that in a debate as this person that tagged her moves at such and such speed is just plain out retarded (not calling you retarded).
If Cheetah received ANOTHER upgrade in speed since the last one zoom gave her and flash took away then can you please prove this because if we're using the old cheetah then spiderman AND wolverine is faster than her.
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Was hoping this was still focused on Kalibak and Wolverine...
But oh well...
Cheetah still has her uber-speed, as confirmed earlier this year in WW #29, where Diana fought her and commented on how she -- Cheetah -- is nearly as fast as the Flash -- and Cheetah proceeded to prove this by moving/attacking faster than Diana (who albeit was in pretty rough condition) repeatedly couldn't block/defend against. Her reflexes/combat speed is vastly superior to Spiderman's, et al...
The whole thing about Zoom/Flash was more of a "growing lesson" for Cheetah/Barabara -- she was limited by her own psychological limits, not power, as Zoom tried several times to convey to her.
Just FYI.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually you make the statements that the two are faster than DS, now show me how you came to this conclusion based upon DEATHSTROKES showings.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg
Your turn
Originally posted by carver9You don't understand english do you? I said show me DEATHSTROKE"s lack of feats that you think he isn't comparible. I already know about wolverine and Spiderman. Show me why you think Deathstroke is so slow. And then show me why you think Wonder Woman 20 years ago is a good measuring stick for cheetah's speed today.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpghttp://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg
Your turn
Originally posted by tideoftime
...Was hoping this was still focused on Kalibak and Wolverine...
But oh well...
Cheetah still has her uber-speed, as confirmed earlier this year in WW #29, where Diana fought her and commented on how she -- Cheetah -- is nearly as fast as the Flash -- and Cheetah proceeded to prove this by moving/attacking faster than Diana (who albeit was in pretty rough condition) repeatedly couldn't block/defend against. Her reflexes/combat speed is vastly superior to Spiderman's, et al...
The whole thing about Zoom/Flash was more of a "growing lesson" for Cheetah/Barabara -- she was limited by her own psychological limits, not power, as Zoom tried several times to convey to her.
Just FYI.
Well if we are using that cheetah then of course she has wolverine in speed, I was talking about the norm cheetah. Do you have the scans of their recent fight, I would like to see that.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
You don't understand english do you? I said show me DEATHSTROKE"s lack of feats that you think he isn't comparible. I already know about wolverine and Spiderman. Show me why you think Deathstroke is so slow. And then show me why you think Wonder Woman 20 years ago is a good measuring stick for cheetah's speed today.
I'll be waiting on you to show me a speed feat from deathstroke that makes you think he's in wolverine or spidermans speed range.
Originally posted by carver9
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpghttp://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg
Your turn
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Neither one of them show Wolverine having superhuman speed or reflexes. In the first he is able to get past the defenses of Geist who as far as I know doesn't have super speed. And in the second, Wolverine predicts where his opponent would be which is different than matching someone's speed.
Try again.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Yea in most cases it does. ✅ Ares being a Olympian, for example, possesses from birth superhuman strength, stamina, speed, reflexes, agility, durability, limited magic abilities, immortality, and a regenerative healing factor.In his case you can also add in several thousand years of combat training and experience (his being the Olympian personification of War after all) and I say he's more than a match for any street level character. Hell, I'd say that being a god of nearly any type gives most characters a clear advantage over Wolverine.
I mean what you are essentially arguing is that a street level character whose total offensive capacity revolves around six really sharp knives attached to his fists can somehow take down gods with little trouble.
Yet his style of combat has never evolved, whats good is all that experience when eh fights that same way ever single time? Being god of war does not make you a good fighter. Hell in actual mythology Ares is a pussy for the most part. Being a god does not mean you can beat every character or any for that matter it a meaningless title. Hell US Agent came out and even said it in mighty avengers that there not god there just meta humans the people mistakenly worshiped.
Wolverine not a street level character for starters. No what I am argueing is that a character that is designed to take it to brick can do just that dispite what retard title they may posses. Ares is a low end brick he brings nothing to the table wolverine not delt with, many gods can have the same thing said about them.
Originally posted by carver9
I'll be waiting on you to show me a speed feat from deathstroke that makes you think he's in wolverine or spidermans speed range.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3742/teentitans5pyratep02034iv.jpg
Not only is he fast, he also sees things in slow motion
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1866/sladesee3ks.jpg
More speed
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2840/sladefast6dr.jpg
You should have done your homework on any DC character before you go making dumb statements.
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1477/sladeflash3ea.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5453/sladesuperman7yh.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
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Neither one of them show Wolverine having superhuman speed or reflexes. In the first he is able to get past the defenses of Geist who as far as I know doesn't have super speed. And in the second, Wolverine [b]predicts where his opponent would be which is different than matching someone's speed.Try again. [/B]
😕 He cut the guy up so fast that the guy didnt even know he was cut and there wasnt even any cut marks, he was still intact. What are you talking about?
Speed demon, someone that can run up to 1500mps was running in that scan, avoiding wolverine claw strikes and wolverine dived in front of a RUNNING speed demon and caught up to him and elbowed him. Are you blind? Speed demon was clearly running, wolverine was clearly bounsing and got the lead on him. I dont care how much predicting you do, me, you, bruce lee, chuck norris, batman, none of us is catching up to a running quicksilver, no matter how much timing we do.
Originally posted by carver9
Well if we are using that cheetah then of course she has wolverine in speed, I was talking about the norm cheetah. Do you have the scans of their recent fight, I would like to see that.
Unfortunately, no... I just have the issues, but I might get a friend to post for me later.
But even before her upgrades, Cheetah was one of the fastest "non-Flash" combatants in DC, in terms of combat reflexes (though not movement power, per se, until later...)
But I am digressing here, myself, so I'll stop for now...
EDIT: and just to clarify -- this "version" of the Cheetah *is* the "normal" Cheetah, now -- her "upgrade" is a permanent/character progression upgrade, much like the ones WW herself has had over the years. Now I run away...
Originally posted by Zeuodin
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/683/dsphoefeat3lp.jpghttp://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3742/teentitans5pyratep02034iv.jpg
Not only is he fast, he also sees things in slow motion
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1866/sladesee3ks.jpg
More speed
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2840/sladefast6dr.jpg
You should have done your homework on any DC character before you go making dumb statements.
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1477/sladeflash3ea.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5453/sladesuperman7yh.jpg
LOL, the first scan you showed, isnt that from the same comic where wolverine blitzed him and death stroke commented on wolverines speed and ds ended up getting knocked out by a glancing blow from a wolverine that blitzed him again?
The second scan, he didnt keep up with impulse, he tricked him.
All you did was show me him tagging people that he shouldnt have tagged, me and your scans are completely different. I can put up a scan of wolverine fight gladiator, a being that flew 100 times the speed of light but its pointless.
