Originally posted by xJLxKingyes he can:
Zoom can't travel back in time.
Originally posted by Philosophíayou're not a fan of the surfer wankage?
Why the hell do you even bother to hammer this point in when Wally, even in his normal state, being unable to perceive him puts him far above Surfer ?
After seeing his consistent combat speed and reaction time, and often high end speed feats that are in no way hyped to hell, how can I not be ? I ocasionally see if my fellow Surfer fans agree:
And my heart explodes with joy.
You should see the Thor fans, though.
I think this post right here describes them perfectly:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]Thor withstanding the weight of a score of planets!
Originally posted by Galan007I thought so, I could have sworn he had done it several times.
yes he can:
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2044/06ck2.jpg
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So would you guys put Zoom on trancendent (sub skyfather) level, or skyfather? I imagine you'd say he'd stop at the likes of Darkseid/Thanos, no?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterthe scans certainly allude to such.
I thought so, I could have sworn he had done it several times.So would you guys put Zoom on trancendent (sub skyfather) level, or skyfather? I imagine you'd say he'd stop at the likes of Darkseid/Thanos, no?
i'd place a PIS/CIS free zoom at low trans-level. sure.
I thought CIS was on. In character but at their best.
I.e "Spiderman doesn't kill". If he did he would probably move up a notch too. Even then he jobs to lower tiers.
In character Zoom wouldn't go for the win often, but in this case we know of his powerset and common sense tells us that someone like Iron Man wouldn't be beating him. I remember when I first came and speedsters were underrated until I made and supported in the Flash vs Hulk thread, things started to turn around. Then again a lot of people see speedsters as cheap. *shrugs*.
that's the thing though: unless zoom has some sort of 'connection' to a a given character, he never purposefully holds back. the rogues are a prime example of characters he will regularly smack around, just for the lulz.
hell, even if zoom does have a 'connection' to a certain character(s), and wants to teach them a lesson, that still doesn't stop him from owning them with an extreme degree of prejudice.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ you're right.but in zoom's case, CIS would rarely affect him in a negative way [where forum battles are concerned] for reasons i already mentioned.
Originally posted by Kris Blazeyou don't need to kill an opponent to beat them - and zoom has beaten several characters without killing them.
It prevents him from ridiculous actions like hitting Xavier a million times and killing practically anyone. He seems to have a connection with practically every hero, or at least have some information on them.
Originally posted by Galan007
you don't need to kill an opponent to beat them - and zoom has beaten several characters without killing them.
Zoom doesn't clock out people instantly, not with CIS on. This makes him very vulnerable to attacks that do not have to be aimed and such.
Originally posted by Kris Blazeblah blah blah, and wally doesn't normally clock his opponent in the first nanosecond of the battle, blah blah blah. however, in a forum setting we assume he would, yes? yes.
I don't care if he wins or not, I care if we're discussing a realistic scenario or something you want to happen. You were making up ridiculous scenarios where Zoom would hit just about anyone with his supposed superman-level punches. It ain't happening. The only one he'd hit that hard is Superman or Wonder Woman.Zoom doesn't clock out people instantly, not with CIS on. This makes him very vulnerable to attacks that do not have to be aimed and such.
you either have a blatant ignorance of zoom's character, or are simply arguing for arguments sake to think in a versus battle where he has no clue of his opponent [other than common knowledge] he is going to do anything other than go for the win in his typical manner.
and if you're trying to get back to the "charles would mind rape him" argument: common knowledge of his opponent would tell zoom that charles is a telepath, and needs to be taken out accordingly. or are you so biased that you think zoom would toy with a telepath and allow himself to lose?
Originally posted by Galan007
blah blah blah, and wally doesn't normally clock his opponent in the first nanosecond of the battle, blah blah blah. however, in a forum setting we assume he would, yes? yes.you either have a blatant ignorance of zoom's character, or are simply arguing for arguments sake to think in a versus battle where he has no clue of his opponent [other than common knowledge] he is going to do anything other than go for the win in his typical manner.
and if you're trying to get back to the "charles would mind rape him" argument: common knowledge of his opponent would tell zoom that charles is a telepath, and needs to be taken out accordingly. or are you so biased that you think zoom would toy with a telepath and allow himself to lose?
Originally posted by Galan007
that's the thing though: forum battles are supposed to be CIS free unless specified otherwise..
Originally posted by Galan007
Zoom turns Xavier to salt.
Odds are that Zoom would not know how strong a telepath Charles is. Just like he doesn't know how fast or strong Superman is. If Zoom gets a memo saying "Xavier is such a strong telepath that he can, etc" then chucky would go down in a second. If he only receives a memo saying that Xavier is a telepath, who knows.
Originally posted by Kris Blazei don't really understand the two superfluous quotes there. maybe it was an attempt to be a funny? just makes you look like childish troll to me. *shrug*
Odds are that Zoom would not know how strong a telepath Charles is. Just like he doesn't know how fast or strong Superman is. If Zoom gets a memo saying "Xavier is such a strong telepath that he can, etc" then chucky would go down in a second. If he only receives a memo saying that Xavier is a telepath, who knows.
regardless, debating whether or not zoom would protect himself against an opponent who he knows can be potentially dangerous to him, is hugely downplaying his overall character.
the way i see it: zoom knows beforehand that chuck is a telepath - the battle starts - zoom slaps chuck once - the battle is over.
i think that is FAR more realistic [and in character] for zoom, than it is for him to 'toy' with that same [potentially dangerous] opponent.
