Superman's Hardest Punch vs Thor's Hardest Mjolnir Slam

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just tried ignoring it's mystical properties. I am calm.

Which feat did you name that Superman has accomplished that Thor hasn't surpassed?

Thor also didn't use his more exotic/powerful abilities such as life/essence drain/Durok blast, godblast, anti matter blast.

Superman literally freaked out when he felt the raw power of just his hammer not what it's capable of in Thor's hands.

When did he say anything about it being magical in nature?

Name me some examples of Superman's feats that compare with Thor's. You keep dodging.

I didn'T ignored them, on the contrary, i pointed out the properties.

And their effect on superman.

He didn't use his more exotic abilities? So?
Quan, the explained you the reason why that feat is not valid. And those reasons weren't arguable. If they would have been i would have asked you who this second thor was, what the story behind those scans is, etc. There is no need for this. As we see clearly the two mjolnirs slam.

When did he say anything about it not being magical in nature? It is magical in nature. You can't deny it. He was astonished, yes, not freaking out, that's an strong term. He held in his hands a weapons with vast magical energies. That doesn't mean that he was impressed by it's striking power, just by the amount of mystical energy inside it. Looking at this weapon, honestly, who would think that it is the main source of thors powers?
Let put it this way. When the energies were actually in thors body and superman could tap into them by holding, romantically, thors hand. He surely wouldn't be astonished, as thor was an powerful opponent and an living being. An innanimate object, that looks like an stone hammer 😐.
I guess you get the point. Never would have guessed 😉 that were his words.

I don't doge, though i can't say the same for you. Honestly. Scroll back and read again. 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your logic is ironic. Because you shouldn't hold out the Infinite Crisis feat as being relevant either. Because:

Two Supermans > one, simple. Disqualified.

Don't recall Superman ever punching anything else other than Superman-2 and causing such effects. And in all fairness, you should credit in some part, the Masterson Thor vs. Dargo Thor feat because (i) the entire Marvel Multiverse wasn't in flux, and (ii) they weren't fighting on an incomplete Marvel Earth.

It is ironic. That is the only way to deal with some "facts". You will notice, I compared the two hammer feat to the two superman feat 😉.
And i do credit it, for what it is. But, hyperbole aside, it couldn't have been accomplished by one hammer alone.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I didn'T ignored them, on the contrary, i pointed out the properties.

And their effect on superman.

He didn't use his more exotic abilities? So?
Quan, the explained you the reason why that feat is not valid. And those reasons weren't arguable. If they would have been i would have asked you who this second thor was, what the story behind those scans is, etc. There is no need for this. As we see clearly the two mjolnirs slam.

When did he say anything about it not being magical in nature? It is magical in nature. You can't deny it. He was astonished, yes, not freaking out, that's an strong term. He held in his hands a weapons with vast magical energies. That doesn't mean that he was impressed by it's striking power, just by the amount of mystical energy inside it. Looking at this weapon, honestly, who would think that it is the main source of thors powers?
Let put it this way. When the energies were actually in thors body and superman could tap into them by holding, romantically, thors hand. He surely wouldn't be astonished, as thor was an powerful opponent and an living being. An innanimate object, that looks like an stone hammer 😐.
I guess you get the point. Never would have guessed 😉 that were his words.

I don't doge, though i can't say the same for you. Honestly. Scroll back and read again. 😉

The Thors feat is valid as they both generated the power based on no outside factors. Only did I enter it into evidence after you did so by comparing a stronger Superman to a weaker one during the ic. The events also occurred due to the verse in flux which you conveniently left out. You tried to pull a fast one and I called you on it.

So despite him ewwwing and ahhhing over the power and the fact it destroyed the barrier he really wasn't impressed? You lack common sense and didn't understand the point of his dialogue.

The hammer contains the powers of Thor. It's quite easy to comprehend.

What feats of Superman's are up there with Thor's? You keep dodging the questions again and again. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112

The Thors feat is valid as they both generated the power based on no outside factors. Only did I enter it into evidence after you did so by comparing a stronger Superman to a weaker one during the ic. The events also occurred due to the verse in flux which you conveniently left out. You tried to pull a fast one and I called you on it.

So despite him ewwwing and ahhhing over the power and the fact it destroyed the barrier he really wasn't impressed? You lack common sense and didn't understand the point of his dialogue.

The hammer contains the powers of Thor. It's quite easy to comprehend.

What feats of Superman's are up there with Thor's? You keep dodging the questions again and again. 🙂

It's not valid as he has not repeated said feat with one hammer. Or has he, I'm open to accept it if you show me a scan where he does the same without Mjolnir striking Mjolnir.
The flux was stable during their fight, IC. It became unstable after the fight when Lex continued his work, anyway. It's still more impressive 😉.

Lack of common sense. Oh, Quan... 😂

Ok it's pretty simple, since we discuss the crossover too. Let it put it this way. Superman blocked the Charged, Magical, Powerful Hammerstrike with one empty Hand.
So, since we BOTH consider the Crossover to be canon, Superman already won the Contest by catching Thors Strike, while Thor's face didn't took Supermans punch so well. 🙂

To the feats. FaceofOlympus put up some scans of thor where it is stated that he can smash planets. The same statements were made by and about superman.
Both are planet busters, Thor and Superman.
When Superman hit the Black Racer he scarred the moon forever, you know the scan from OWAW.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The flux was stable during their fight, IC. It became unstable after the fight when Lex continued his work, anyway. It's still more impressive.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's not valid as he has not repeated said feat with one hammer. Or has he, I'm open to accept it if you show me a scan where he does the same without Mjolnir striking Mjolnir.
The flux was stable during their fight, IC. It became unstable after the fight when Lex continued his work, anyway. It's still more impressive 😉.

Lack of common sense. Oh, Quan... 😂

Ok it's pretty simple, since we discuss the crossover too. Let it put it this way. Superman blocked the Charged, Magical, Powerful Hammerstrike with one empty Hand.
So, since we BOTH consider the Crossover to be canon, Superman already won the Contest by catching Thors Strike, while Thor's face didn't took Supermans punch so well. 🙂

To the feats. FaceofOlympus put up some scans of thor where it is stated that he can smash planets. The same statements were made by and about superman.
Both are planet busters, Thor and Superman.
When Superman hit the Black Racer he scarred the moon forever, you know the scan from OWAW.

One feat is solely because of the hammers while the other is only due to outside events.

Thor dropped his guard. Thor also waded right through mjolnir and are under the belief they have the exact same durability? You really aren't looking at all of these variables when making this decision. 🙂

Thor can smash planets with his fists. he doesn't even need his hammer to do so. To suggest that smashing a planet is his greatest feat is a disjustice to Thor and ignoring his higher end feats. By all accounts you believe Glads fists are equal to Thor's hammer.

Destroying a planet isn't as high as it gets.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, not really. It stands and was felt throughout the entire cosmos. Two superman punching each other can't bring this kind of damage.

Thor can also destroy planets with his fists alone and the feats already posted are enough to win this solidly for Thor anyways.

Supes never felt such power as when he gripped his hammer. Remember that.

What low feats does Prime have that suggest Kal-l can beat him?

Thor cannot destroy planets with a punch nor can he destroy a mountain. And don't show me, I have the comic where it says that Thor hit Loki with the force to destroy a small mountain. But it is hyperbole and a flat out lie. Now if it happened I will accept it.

Lastly, it wasn't the force of the two hammers that did what it did. It was the two energies in both hammers causating with each other. If Thor struck a non mystical object with the same force then NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. No energy traveling to other cosmos, NOTHING. Thus it was a plot device that caused this and not the display of power.

To be clear if I combine a pea with an anti-matter pea then I would have a nuclear level explosion. But if I combine the pea with a normal pea then nothing happens.

So since Thor can't hit with that type of display in any forum fight then this feat is invalid in showing what he could do in a real fight.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's disuqlified as his hammer alone wouldn't have beend able to do this feat, this feat was done by TWO hamemrs not one.

Using this logic, can't we claim that it took 2 Supermen hitting each other to create "reality-rending punches" in addition to the context surrounding the story?

Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, it wasn't the force of the two hammers that did what it did. It was the two energies in both hammers causating with each other. If Thor struck a non mystical object with the same force then NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. No energy traveling to other cosmos, NOTHING.

Assumptions with no proof yet again...! Good job!

Y'know, when making assumptions, we actually HAVE to present proof, not come out with Mickey Mouse pretend-physics-logic.

Originally posted by h1a8 Thus it was a plot device that caused this and not the display of power.

Same can be said for the Superman "reality rending" feat, actually.

Originally posted by h1a8
To be clear if I combine a pea with an anti-matter pea then I would have a nuclear level explosion. But if I combine the pea with a normal pea then nothing happens.

😆

Hahahaha!!!

With this sentence, are you saying that this feat is showing both a hammer and an anti-matter hammer...?!! OMG! Where do you come up with this sh!t!?!? 😆 😂 🤣

This is the type of stuff that tells people how little you really know of physics.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor cannot destroy planets with a punch nor can he destroy a mountain. And don't show me, I have the comic where it says that Thor hit Loki with the force to destroy a small mountain. But it is hyperbole and a flat out lie. Now if it happened I will accept it.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

This is the type of stuff that tells people how little you really know of physics.

b.b.b...bbuubb...bbuttttt....he's got a MINOR IN PHYSICS 😱 💃 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor cannot destroy planets with a punch nor can he destroy a mountain. And don't show me, I have the comic where it says that Thor hit Loki with the force to destroy a small mountain. But it is hyperbole and a flat out lie. Now if it happened I will accept it.

Lastly, it wasn't the force of the two hammers that did what it did. It was the two energies in both hammers causating with each other. If Thor struck a non mystical object with the same force then NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. No energy traveling to other cosmos, NOTHING. Thus it was a plot device that caused this and not the display of power.

To be clear if I combine a pea with an anti-matter pea then I would have a nuclear level explosion. But if I combine the pea with a normal pea then nothing happens.

So since Thor can't hit with that type of display in any forum fight then this feat is invalid in showing what he could do in a real fight.

Show me something. Anything. Other than your constant double standards and biased behavior.

Other feats have been placed in here already while I can't say the same for Superman's side of this debate.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know Thor once hit BRB so hard it destroyed the planet they were on.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet.jpg

That's actually a pretty impressive feat of planet busting, seeing how big it was shown to be. Heck, even a piece of it that was floating around in his fight with Norrin, seemed planetoid level big (The pieces where the Adam Warlock and Norrin fight occured on.).

Anyways....

They have comparable strengths, but I would see the basis for someone making the argument that Superman punches harder than Thor. A great deal of Thor's hitting feats come from with Mjolnir. Now while it's been shown that he hits just as hard without it, to be fair, it has been shown that he hits harder with it, or is simply more effective. It's really all relative and depends on how much strength they put behind their blows.

Still I can see the basis of someone stating Superman hits harder. He has more feats in terms of striking force with pure fists but that's about it. Still it would be fairly close and not anything near significant, and Thor has the same level of strength feats.

With Mjolnir in hand, depending on the writer, Thor either hits as hard without it, or hits weaker without it.

So.......

Thor's Mjolnir Slam > Superman's Punch > Thor's Punch

or

Thor's Mjolnir Slam > Superman's Punch = Thor's Punch

or

Thor's Mjolnir Slam = Superman's Punch = Thor's Punch

The Third being the least likeliest and the second being the most likeliest.

It should be noted, that I'm assuming Thor uses Mjolnir as nothing more than a blunt weapon. None of the spinning, and energy charging shtick, taken into account.

i dont think either reality affecting hits should be counted and certainly not one and not the other. thors feat took two hammers hitting each other and supes had two supermen hitting each other plus possible effects from ic. and of course mjolnir is powered by magic but it was the power of the strikes that caused the effect, if u disagree do u think if me and u hit the hammers together it would have the same effect since ur saying that its the magic combining and not the power of the blows. once again i dont think the feat should be used since it took 2 hammers, and not because it was a display of the magical energies combining and not the power of the blows.

^ Frankly, Masterson Thor vs Dargo Thor didin't involve as many circumstances as Superman vs Superman-2 did. But being equally dismissive of both feats is somewhat fair. So then at this point, you're left with a Mjolnir blow that shattered mountain peaks and caused shockwaves across an entire planet. What's Superman's best punch so far?

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know Thor once hit BRB so hard it destroyed the planet they were on.

A small planetoid you mean. Something smaller than the moon I would say. Hardly a true planet.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Assumptions with no proof yet again...! Good job!

Y'know, when making assumptions, we actually HAVE to present proof, not come out with Mickey Mouse pretend-physics-logic.

Same can be said for the Superman "reality rending" feat, actually.

😆

Hahahaha!!!

With this sentence, are you saying that this feat is showing both a hammer and an anti-matter hammer...?!! OMG! Where do you come up with this sh!t!?!? 😆 😂 🤣

This is the type of stuff that tells people how little you really know of physics.

^ Funny, because Beta Ray Bill's Stombreaker has destroyed planets on-panel. Not sure why you would think Mjolnir would be weaker. And let's not conflate what Thor has actually done with what other Thor facsimiles have done. Fact is, you don't think Thor w/ Mjolnir could destroy a planet. Assuming that you completely ignore Stormbreaker's feats, then posit a feat by Superman that surpasses the Thor feat that was posted in this thread. Otherwise, your protestations are purely rhetorical.

Originally posted by h1a8
A small planetoid you mean. Something smaller than the moon I would say. Hardly a true planet.