Superman's Hardest Punch vs Thor's Hardest Mjolnir Slam

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, I can't tell you how much percentage of the damage came from the charging but it is clear that charging Mjolnir has always allowed him to strike with greater power.

You're a moron, charging Mjolnir with energy specifically augments it's might (How much depends on the writer and the amount of energy put in). Off the top of my head, here's a scene:
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg.html

Do you believe the writer didn't intend to have Mjolnir hit with significantly greater power? Thor specifically attributes the potency of his hammer to the energy it's generating.

I'd like to see such a being.

Christ, what a silly and irrelevant distinction. The only time a strike from a charged hammer blow would do less damage due to its nature against an opponent would be in such specific, extenuating circumstances, that they have absolutely not reflection on how things would normally go. Not to mention it's never happened, like ever.

Stop with the con games. Just because we see Thor purposely charged the hammer one time to try to increase damage doesn't mean everytime you see the hammer we know how much damage is being dealt due solely to the charge of the hammer. Also Thor charged the hammer with heat. So a being resistant or a lover of heat then the charge would do nothing. Different writer's different opinions.

I'm of the opinion that the charge did 0 damage to Galactus and the impact did all of the damage.

Parasite, Shaw, Bishop, etc. were able to absorb attack energy when attacked with it. LMAO at you like to see such a being.

I was also referring to beings that are highly resistance to energy attacks (like DD) and that the charge on the hammer would do little to nothing extra.

Charging the hammer does more damage than not-charging it.

Or am I missing something here?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Charging the hammer does more damage than not-charging it.

Or am I missing something here?

Originally posted by h1a8
Not all the time. Charging the hammer could do 0 extra damage or actually make the victim stronger in some cases.

Has Thor made any of his victims stronger from a charged mjolnir strike before?

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop with the con games. Just because we see Thor purposely charged the hammer one time to try to increase damage doesn't mean everytime you see the hammer we know how much damage is being dealt due solely to the charge of the hammer. Also Thor charged the hammer with heat. So a being resistant or a lover of heat then the charge would do nothing. Different writer's different opinions.

I'm of the opinion that the charge did 0 damage to Galactus and the impact did all of the damage.

Parasite, Shaw, Bishop, etc. were able to absorb attack energy when attacked with it. LMAO at you like to see such a being.

I was also referring to beings that are highly resistance to energy attacks (like DD) and that the charge on the hammer would do little to nothing extra.

I never said we know the exact amount a charge of energy increases the damage, but it does increase the damage done. That is non-debatable, if you believe otherwise, post scans that support your argument. Because so far, it's only your opinion being backed up by nothing.

Lol, are you f*cking serious? He was facing Surtur and specifically commented on the energy of his charge.

😂

http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg.html

"Crackling and roaring with a bludgeoning power which surpasseth understanding...."

Once again, a direct link to the energy surging within Mjolnir is linked to it's effectiveness and capabilities.

The extreme minority who would all be overloaded by that much power. Thor only goes to such extremes in very rare circumstances (He wouldn't need to for beings like Shaw etc.), and when he does, it has never failed.

That is retarded. Charging Mjolnir would do significantly extra damage to Doomsday, he's nothing special compared to beings Mjolnir has struck and damaged.

Why are you arguing against him Rage?

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you arguing against him Rage?

I felt like killing some time before work, it's fine I'm done with this discussion.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not all the time. Charging the hammer could do 0 extra damage or actually make the victim stronger in some cases.

Post scans where charging the hammer added zero damage or made the person it hit stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not all the time. Charging the hammer could do 0 extra damage or actually make the victim stronger in some cases.

I don't see how.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't see how.

Hulk? 😈 j/k

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm of the opinion that the charge did 0 damage to Galactus and the impact did all of the damage.

It's a pretty strange opinion.

It's like saying Superman's speed adds 0 extra damage to his opponents.. All the damage Superman dishes out comes solely from his strength.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's a pretty strange opinion.

It's like saying Superman's speed adds 0 extra damage to his opponents.. All the damage Superman dishes out comes solely from his strength.

Well we know Hulk has no super speed yet he can punch as hard as Superman when really enraged. So again, your analogy doesn't work.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't see how.

There are many beings in comics that absorb attack energy (lightning, lasers, etc.) on contact. Shaw, Bishop, Parasite, Absorbing Man, etc are a few. So a charged attack would actually make them stronger and not actually add more damage. And there are beings who are highly resistant to energy anyway. So adding a charge to a strike would add negligible extra damage. For example, a being who's resistant to heat would not obtain extra damage due to charging an attack with the same amount of heat or less.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post scans where charging the hammer added zero damage or made the person it hit stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Having a charge doesn't add anything if a being is immune, resistant, or absorbs it naturally. There are many beings in comics that absorb attack energy (lightning, lasers, etc.) on contact. Shaw, Bishop, Parasite, Absorbing Man, etc are a few.

It's like saying Supes Heat Vision isn't that damaging because there are beings who might absorb it.

But fact is Thor's and Supes most powerful blasts/strikes are going to be too much for the majority of beings to absorb even if they have such ability.

It's getting off topic anyway. I figured the OP meant if they're just hitting a random object then whose strike is more powerful.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well we know Hulk has no super speed yet he can punch as hard as Superman when really enraged. So again, your analogy doesn't work.

Well an enraged Hulk is likely using more strength than Superman.

Oh and your wrong. Hulk does have "some" super speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Having a charge doesn't add anything if a being is immune, resistant, or absorbs it naturally.

Well we know Hulk has no super speed yet he can punch as hard as Superman when really enraged. So again, your analogy doesn't work.

There are many beings in comics that absorb attack energy (lightning, lasers, etc.) on contact. Shaw, Bishop, Parasite, Absorbing Man, etc are a few. So a charged attack would actually make them stronger and not actually add more damage. And there are beings who are highly resistant to energy anyway. So adding a charge to a strike would add negligible extra damage. For example, a being who's resistant to heat would not obtain extra damage due to charging an attack with the same amount of heat or less.

Except that a charged Hammer strike has more than one way of inflicting damage.

It doesn't lessen the power output of the weapon, and for the purposes of this thread, the person being hit isn't immune to anything, so the point is moot.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that a charged Hammer strike has more than one way of inflicting damage.

It doesn't lessen the power output of the weapon, and for the purposes of this thread, the person being hit isn't immune to anything, so the point is moot.

Yes, but it is usually only charged with one type of energy at a time.
Thor, on panel, has charged it with heat only.
In another instance it is shown charged with lightning.

It CAN lessen the DAMAGE (power output is irrelevant) due to absorption of the charge.

Yes a charged hammer will add extra damage to anyone not immune but that level of EXTRA damage is depended upon the person's resistance against that type energy.

Pr you came in on the latter of the argument. No one was really arguing that a charged hammer will not add damage in all cases. The argument was really about variable charge. If the charge can add variable damage (depending on who or what it's striking) then we can't quantify how much damage was done from the charge vs. the hit.

Bottom line: Thor's hammer can be charged to add more damage but is it enough to surpass Superman's strongest punches?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, but it is usually only charged with one type of energy at a time.
Thor, on panel, has charged it with heat only.
In another instance it is shown charged with lightning.

It CAN lessen the DAMAGE (power output is irrelevant) due to absorption of the charge.

Yes a charged hammer will add extra damage to anyone not immune but that level of EXTRA damage is depended upon the person's resistance against that type energy.

Pr you came in on the latter of the argument. No one was really arguing that a charged hammer will not add damage in all cases. The argument was really about variable charge. If the charge can add variable damage (depending on who or what it's striking) then we can't quantify how much damage was done from the charge vs. the hit.

Bottom line: Thor's hammer can be charged to add more damage but is it enough to surpass Superman's strongest punches?

Post scans where charging the hammer added zero damage or made the person it hit stronger.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's like saying Supes Heat Vision isn't that damaging because there are beings who might absorb it.

But fact is Thor's and Supes most powerful blasts/strikes are going to be too much for the majority of beings to absorb even if they have such ability.

It's getting off topic anyway. I figured the OP meant if they're just hitting a random object then whose strike is more powerful.

Well an enraged Hulk is likely using more strength than Superman.

Oh and your wrong. Hulk does have "some" super speed.

I stand corrected. Hulk does have super speed (he's faster than a human). But for practical purposes he isn't a speedster.

But we know that Hulk isn't stronger than Superman (most incarnations) and thus we can't conclude that Hulk is using more strength (unless Superman is holding back more). In many instances, writer's forget or ignore Superman's super speed and have him operate with the same speed as his enemies. Thus in many cases Superman's punch force is not attributed to his speed in any way.

Originally posted by h1a8
I stand corrected. Hulk does have super speed (he's faster than a human). But for practical purposes he isn't a speedster.

But we know that Hulk isn't stronger than Superman (most incarnations) and thus we can't conclude that Hulk is using more strength (unless Superman is holding back more). In many instances, writer's forget or ignore Superman's super speed and have him operate with the same speed as his enemies. Thus in most cases Superman's punch force is not attributed to his speed in any way.

Post scans where charging the hammer added zero damage or made the person it hit stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
I stand corrected. Hulk does have super speed (he's faster than a human). But for practical purposes he isn't a speedster.

But we know that Hulk isn't stronger than Superman (most incarnations) and thus we can't conclude that Hulk is using more strength (unless Superman is holding back more). In many instances, writer's forget or ignore Superman's super speed and have him operate with the same speed as his enemies. Thus in many cases Superman's punch force is not attributed to his speed in any way.