Originally posted by Silent Master
Post scans where charging the hammer added zero damage or made the person it hit stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8Yes a charged hammer will add extra damage to anyone not immune, but that level of EXTRA damage is depended upon the person's resistance against that type energy.
Originally posted by TheHulk
H1,you are seriously a great math dude and sometimes a good poster ,but seriously...you lost with this post. 🤨
Some Hulk versions are stronger than Superman.
Most are not though. Do you agree?
Also, do you believe that when writers have Superman punching something they are thinking about speed? Especially those times Superman is operating at the same speed as his enemy?
Where did I lose you?
Originally posted by h1a8
Who exactly is immune to the energy Thor uses to charge Mjolnir?
BTW, still waiting for you to post scans in this thread
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=577594&pagenumber=8#post14271222
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What is this all part of the reboot?Does he have any new powers now?
Unlike Post-crisis or Silver Age, DCnU starts out Golden Age powerset, even some vulnerability, and then gains Post-crisis set, stronger and with more invulnerability.
So yes, he now has way more powers than he started with. #17 and the H'el series gives further indication of his limitless potential. Issue 17 goes as far as to claim he 'remembers when he could feel hot water while taking a shower, but now turning it on hot is just habitual and he can't feel the heat'. It starts out he can't even fly, now he has the whole set.
However, they are saying that he will never meet it with psionic blocks pretty much, as the good ole' post-crisis set is what they will stick with, with some elements of that silver age crazy stupendous out-there feats and inventing super powers every once in a while.
The way I look at it, he's just content with the classic flight laser vision et cetra. But that is not the extent of what he's capable of augmenting his power set to. With H'el's mindset, Kal is 1000x more versatile than Thor and his stats are through the rough, as he can have electrokinesis, pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, magnetism, telepathy, mind control, towing planetary systems at ftl speeds, you name it.
He's been stated again and again and again as the strongest super hero on earth, it runs in his genes, his super powers are mutations from yellow sunlight and the result of his 'racial memory':
Lex Luthor explains that H'el seems to be able to tap into his racial memory to spontaneously generate powers, and that Superman is just as if not more capable of manipulating his solar mutations in this manner to/than H'el:
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hyperbole a bit much?
If he gets closer to the sun, his powers will go up, and he'll be able to get new ones, just as he developed from Action Comics to the main Arc, this much we know. As for whether or not he has psionic blocks, guess we'll have to wait and see. It's very likely he does.
Originally posted by Dolos
The way I look at it, he's just content with the classic flight laser vision et cetra. But that is not the extent of what he's capable of augmenting his power set to. With H'el's mindset, Kal is 1000x more versatile than Thor and his stats are through the rough, as he can have electrokinesis, pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, magnetism, telepathy, mind control, towing planetary systems at ftl speeds, you name it.
He can?
Thor has already pulled off those various powers.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, but it is usually only charged with one type of energy at a time.
Thor, on panel, has charged it with heat only.
In another instance it is shown charged with lightning.It CAN lessen the DAMAGE (power output is irrelevant) due to absorption of the charge.
Yes a charged hammer will add extra damage to anyone not immune but that level of EXTRA damage is depended upon the person's resistance against that type energy.
Pr you came in on the latter of the argument. No one was really arguing that a charged hammer will not add damage in all cases. The argument was really about variable charge. If the charge can add variable damage (depending on who or what it's striking) then we can't quantify how much damage was done from the charge vs. the hit.
Bottom line: Thor's hammer can be charged to add more damage but is it enough to surpass Superman's strongest punches?
That honestly just makes it sound like you're splitting hairs.
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Superman won't develop new powers. Even if you wanted to claim that he could, you can't say what powers they would be, as he's not H'el, and it would be pointless.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's elementary, almost as much as discussing the fact that eventually, Thor will inevitably receive the Odin Force and get a bunch of new crazy powers.
Except, 5D Imps are reality manipulators, low tier...and Golden Prime shits on them and is practically a Cube Being, low tier...ergo two bars above Skyfather Father level.
Suffice it to say, and feats support this, Superman is probably a bar or two above Thor...when serious.
I mean his speed alone offers a shit load of versatility:
Combat speed:Changes clothes in a moment -
Rebuilds a Skyscraper in Three Words -
Rebuilds Bizaro City in a moment -
Catching hundreds of people after they all jumped from the top of a building, then more jumped and he caught them all before any of them could hit the ground!!
Flies to Paris, goes into a shop, grabs a bottle of Champagn, and goes back to America in between two words mid sentence -
Here he tags the Flash, who casually fights at the Speed of Light -
Intangibility -
He outruns a terranova in 2 seconds, good luck tagging him with a ki blast -
Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible, something they also can't do. And Superman has no ki so they will be incapable of following him, especially when he's moving at warp speed and is intangible, they will never ever be able to tag him before they die.
Breaks a certain space time barrier and traps Darkseid in the Source Wall:
Originally posted by Dolos
Except, 5D Imps are reality manipulators, low tier...and Golden Prime shits on them and is practically a Cube Being, low tier...ergo two bars above Skyfather Father level.
And Golden Prime sat in the sun for more than just a bit, right?
You attributing possible future outcomes and realities and other characters (H'el) as reasoning that Superman is far more versatile and could just radically give himself new powers on practically a whim currently doesn't make any sense. It's out of character for one and for another, it's entirely speculative, more so than the basic speculation of the outcome of a fight to begin with.
In any case, it certainly doesn't mean that Superman as he is in modern times is more versatile than Thor.
Then you have what he can do with heat vision:
Spoiler:
Heat Vision & Other Radiation Emitting/Senses:Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotomize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do. Z Fighters have absolutely no defense against space time warping heat inside their organs, his eat vision can't be repelled as x-rays will just pass through ki shields, and all the heat will be focused into their brains as the x-rays just pass through their solid skull, and Superman's heat vision is hotter than the core of stars, it can meld the fabric space and time, how will simple organic tissue survive that!? ****ing tell me!!!
I'm going to assume the text is copy and pasted from a Superman/DBZ discussion (which, off topic, Superman would beat any Z Fighter).
And really, I'm not disputing Superman's own versatility or the ways he can use his powers in creative ways. But it doesn't mean he possess more powers than Thor does.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm going to assume the text is copy and pasted from a Superman/DBZ discussion (which, off topic, Superman would beat any Z Fighter).And really, I'm not disputing Superman's own versatility or the ways he can use his powers in creative ways. But it doesn't mean he possess more powers than Thor does.
I'm arguing versatility here.
Whether or not Superman can generate new superpowers of his own volition without extra sunlight is a matter of DCnU continuity, this is more of what we've seen postr-crisis, on general versatility. And I don't believe a slightly larger powerset can close the gap on versatility.
/pseudo-on-topic debate
Originally posted by Dolos
I'm arguing versatility here.Whether or not Superman can generate new superpowers of his own volition without extra sunlight is a matter of DCnU continuity, this is more of what we've seen postr-crisis, on general versatility. And I don't believe a slightly larger powerset can close the gap on versatility.
/pseudo-on-topic debate
What exactly are you arguing though? That Superman is more versatile than Thor (and to what degree), just as versatile, or what?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What exactly are you arguing though? That Superman is more versatile than Thor (and to what degree), just as versatile, or what?
My main point, and I think this is agreeable to most, is that while Thor's power-set may have a few more possibilities than Superman's - it's by a slim mile and Superman is so much more intelligent in usage of his powers, and his powers are so much more extreme and exaggerated, that his versatility is greater than Thor's by a good margin when he's really putting them together and taking all he can out of them. Thor, from what I've seen thus far, can't really replicate Superman's effect with his speed AND his temporal manipulation, Superman dwarfs him in this regard. Supes' super-speed alone gives him a lot of possibilities that Thor's stats lack.
It's kind of like how an experienced late career Superman can fight opponents that used to be lethal to him, and take them out VERY quickly without holding back. Id est Doomsday Rex, Darkseid, Imperiax, et cetra et cetra.
Whereas Thor usually sticks to more direct combat experience, without thinking outside the box with his ability arsenal on the caliber of Superman.
ON TOPIC:
We've seen how Thor's hammer cannot match Superman's flight in velocity, or at least from what we've seen in damage results when Superman really rushes his opponents goes all out from a long distance of acceleration, Thor's twirl could never in years build that kind of momentum.
Physically, Superman is a lot stronger, he does have sufficiently dexterous strikes via the Theta-State to match Thor's dexterity with Mjlnor, however the Mjlnor augments the power Thor can put behind his strikes, and allows him to focus more energy through arcane means, creating even more damage. However, superspeed is a part of Superman arsenal, and unlike The Hulk or Doomsday, Superman's speed is a super power that goes beyond muscle strength. That also ties into how much power he can achieve with his strikes. Between the two, I'd have to give a SLIGHT edge to Mjlnor - with momentum not being taken into account. However, I think Superman can match it when he's really holding nothing back. I'd have to say hat they're pretty even in this regard, Thor Mjlnor Swing>=Superman Punch.