Captain America vs. Karate Kid

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SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Blah-blah-blah... so you do believe he wins 10\10 against upgraded Iron Fist or Kenshiro (sorry for going into manga, but that's the closest analogue to optimal Karate Kid, and upgraded Iron Fist is the closest MU example)? IMO stalemate at best, if we're talking h2h with no webbing, getting owned at worst.
Chi speedups rule, darling. Want to have battlezone?

To be fair current Iron Fist is a superhuman chi amp 🙂 but people like Batman or Daredevil should not stand a chance against wellwritten non-holding back Spider-man. Also Parker bad showings against MA fighters is a KMC myth. The only MA fighter he constantly got trouble against is Cap bcause he respects him too much.

valtiz Restricted

spider-man beating black panther daredevil and going toe 2 toe with shang chi is a PIS because in a real no holding back fight he should MURDER them with a single punch but if they show that in the actual comics it would be boring right? so this is why here we debate the way they really should be and spider-man should be able to shatter any of those guys skull with a single punch

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC
Originally posted by SamZED
To be fair current Iron Fist is a superhuman chi amp 🙂 but people like Batman or Daredevil should not stand a chance against wellwritten non-holding back Spider-man. Also Parker bad showings against MA fighters is a KMC myth. The only MA fighter he constantly got trouble against is Cap bcause he respects him too much.

Then why the hell you're arguing against Karate Kid?
Chi amps in play (and his "Super Karate" is chi-amp\pressure points\sensory amp oriented MA)=he's in the same boat as Spidey speedwise, lifting strength means little in the fight.

Karate Kid is much more of Iron Fist analogue than Batman\Daredevil analogue. He lost against Batman once via being amnesiac and cheapshotted from behind, and the other fight wasn't that clear either.

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valtiz Restricted

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Then why the hell you're arguing against Karate Kid?
Chi amps in play (and his "Super Karate" is chi-amp\pressure points\sensory amp oriented MA)=he's in the same boat as Spidey speedwise, lifting strength means little in the fight.

Karate Kid is much more of Iron Fist analogue than Batman\Daredevil analogue. He lost against Batman once via being amnesiac and cheapshotted from behind, and the other fight wasn't that clear either.

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SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Then why the hell you're arguing against Karate Kid?
😕 im not, all i said was, his abilities do not put him on Superboy level as some people around here seem to believe.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Chi amps in play (and his "Super Karate" is chi-amp\pressure points\sensory amp oriented MA)=he's in the same boat as Spidey speedwise, lifting strength means little in the fight.

Karate Kid is much more of Iron Fist analogue than Batman\Daredevil analogue. He lost against Batman once via being amnesiac and cheapshotted from behind, and the other fight wasn't that clear either.

My very first post in this thread said "i dont know much about kk" the reason I got into conversation -some people say he can fight Superboy but others say he's gonna get his ass kicked by Cap America, and if that's true, there's no way in hell he could be in Spidey's league, let alone SUperboy. I wsn't arguing his abilities, only trying to clear things up.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Ponyatno teper', ili ne sovsem vetitsya?
Chestno govoria ne sovsem, kto-to govorit chto on = Superboy a kto-to chto on < Cap America, tak komu verit?

valtiz Restricted
Originally posted by SamZED
😕 im not, all i said was, his abilities do not put him on Superboy level as some people around here seem to believe.
My very first post in this thread said "i dont know much about kk" the reason I got into conversation -some people say he can fight Superboy but others say he's gonna get his ass kicked by Cap America, and if that's true, there's no way in hell he could be in Spidey's league, let alone SUperboy. I wsn't arguing his abilities, only trying to clear things up. Chestno govoria ne sovsem, kto-to govorit chto on = Superboy a kto-to chto on < Cap America, tak komu verit?

pasmatri na fakti, on chelavek katoriye pizdec natrinirovaniy no on vsevolish chelavek katoriye derotsa na uravnah batmana i lady shiva on kak shang chi chota napadobi ili iron fist nichivo asobinava

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC
Originally posted by SamZED
😕 im not, all i said was, his abilities do not put him on Superboy level as some people around here seem to believe.
My very first post in this thread said "i dont know much about kk" the reason I got into conversation -some people say he can fight Superboy but others say he's gonna get his ass kicked by Cap America, and if that's true, there's no way in hell he could be in Spidey's league, let alone SUperboy. I wsn't arguing his abilities, only trying to clear things up. Chestno govoria ne sovsem, kto-to govorit chto on = Superboy a kto-to chto on < Cap America, tak komu verit?

He's >shieldless Captain America and can amp himself to stalemate top tiers for a while (able to react of Flashes and Superboy), as well as hurt them with chi-amped pressure point-aimed strikes, but he's nowhere near their equals.
According to the last tourney drafts here on KMC, he's regarded as mid-meta (roughly the same as upgraded Iron Fist).

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC
Originally posted by valtiz
pasmatri na fakti, on chelavek katoriye pizdec natrinirovaniy no on vsevolish chelavek katoriye derotsa na uravnah batmana i lady shiva on kak shang chi chota napadobi ili iron fist nichivo asobinava

Shang Chi\current Iron Fist are nothing special? Chi amps are=freakin' superpowers in comics. He can't keep up with Spidey in the marathon run, but as far as combat speed goes, speedwise he's on Spiderman level...and spider-sence can be f*cked up with "false positives".

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC

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The MISTER Get mad if ya want.

Originally posted by valtiz
pasmatri na fakti, on chelavek katoriye pizdec natrinirovaniy no on vsevolish chelavek katoriye derotsa na uravnah batmana i lady shiva on kak shang chi chota napadobi ili iron fist nichivo asobinava
i agree

pastrami n fettuccini!

Charlotte DeBel White Queen of KMC

Originally posted by The MISTER
i agree

pastrami n fettuccini!

Parliamo Russo, non Italiano, capisce?

Thread got derailed..it seems.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Parliamo Russo, non Italiano, capisce?

Thread got derailed..it seems.

Sorry, non parlo sovsem 😛
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
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Nu uj net, davay ka na neytralnoy territorii bez moralnoy podderjki lichnih speciualistov 😄
Ne berus govorit pro KK, no Iron Fista Spider otdelal uje dvajdi, bolee togo dlia togo chtobi sumet nanesti Parkeru odin edinstenny udar Randu potrebovalos pribegnut k hitrosti a tak eto bilo odnostoronnee izbienie oba raza, eto dovolno mnogo govorit ob ih raznici v skorosti. Mojet est i drugie boy o kotorih ya ne znau, esli tak, rad budu uznat. Voobshe KMC proroditel mnogih mifov, odin iz nih chto Toxin silnee chem Venom i Carnage vmeste vziatie, esho odin chto Parker ne mojet dratsia s MA boycami. Delo v tom chto obichno on deretsia ne na vse 100 chtobi nikogo ne pokalechit. Chto je bivaet so vsemi etimi MA boycami kogda Peter perestaet "igratsia" potomu chto silno razozlen? Vot para primerov.
1) Razozlenniy Parker odnim udarom otpravliaet v nokaut Daredevila kotoriy zatevaet s nim draku.
2) Razozlenniy Parker delaet iz Kingpina chut-li ni kaleku ne poluchiv pri etom ni carapinki.
3) Razozlivshiysia Parker manoveniem ruki virubaet Bullseya.
4) Razozlivshiysia parker odnoy levoy otdelivaet Taskmastera za 3 sekundi.
5) Na protiajenii minut 10 izbivaet Deadpoola kotoriy ne mojet emu otvetit.
I takih primerov polno i vse visheperechislennie serioznie MA boyci.

BattleMage Legendary insain fist!

Excuse me but wasn't this (Captain America vs. Karate Kid) the thread?

namorsubby Senior Member

KK beats the crap outta cap, seriously...............at least in the last incarnation i can recall

The MISTER Get mad if ya want.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Parliamo Russo, non Italiano, capisce?

Thread got derailed..it seems.


just a little...but i am jealous of the ability to speak more than one language. 😮‍💨 It's really cool.

D-Block Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Karate Kid would be a match for Spidey, at least PC Karate Kid (who managed to fight PC Superboy for a little while (WTF?)). Modern KK could keep Pete on his toes though he'd probably lose in the end.
The Karate Kid that fought Bruce was far from 100%, he was groggy, amnesiac, and by all indications tired. Also Batman was clearly taking the greater beating during the course of the fight.

Agreed.

tkitna Senior Member

Why is the guy thinking Val lost because Batman punched him and drew blood? Did you see Batman at the end of that fight? He was a mess and obviously going to lose if Black Lighting didnt cheapshot him.

This is stupid. Captain America loses as would Batman. KK is just that good.

The MISTER Get mad if ya want.

Originally posted by tkitna
Why is the guy thinking Val lost because Batman punched him and drew blood? Did you see Batman at the end of that fight? He was a mess and obviously going to lose if Black Lighting didnt cheapshot him.

This is stupid. Captain America loses as would Batman. KK is just that good.

What martial arts are under caps belt that make him good enough to hang with KK anyway?

Prep-Man Senior Member
Originally posted by SamZED
I think you're missing Valtiz's main point guys, even if KK was winning the fight against Bats (which obviously can be argued) it still only makes him a slightly better fighter than Bruce and that does NOT make him a match for Superboy, or even Spider-man..

Feats say otherwise.

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300 Martial Arts and the vulcan death grip. Just kidding but seriously a hole bunch.