Originally posted by Battlehammer
except not a single one of them have.........what you just said was utterly incorrect.
he was a hosuehold name before the x-men movies.
never argued him being top tier.
You think I just randomly pulled those names out of the air?
Sentry subdued him in seconds during Civil War.
Gladiator smacked him out of his way in the X-Mansion during Grant Morrison's New X-Men run (Logan didn't get up to fight Glads again during that melee)
And I've seen scans in the Owned! thread that shows Wonder Man totally surprising and overwhelming Logan with just a few punches - work from Erik Larsen's Marvel days.
And no, it was the movies. Wolverine was only huge with comic fans and the hardcore scifi geek crowd. He was as largely unknown to the greater public as Iron Man was(before his movie.) People in the average household didn't know who was, not like Batman, Superman or Spider Man.
Originally posted by roughrider
You think I just randomly pulled those names out of the air?
Originally posted by roughrider
Sentry subdued him in seconds during Civil War.
Originally posted by roughrider
Gladiator smacked him out of his way in the X-Mansion during Grant Morrison's New X-Men run (Logan didn't get up to fight Glads again during that melee)
Originally posted by roughrider
And I've seen scans in the Owned! thread that shows Wonder Man totally surprising and overwhelming Logan with just a few punches - work from Erik Larsen's Marvel days.
Originally posted by roughrider
And no, it was the movies. Wolverine was only huge with comic fans and the hardcore scifi geek crowd. He was as largely unknown to the greater public as Iron Man was(before his movie.) People in the average household didn't know who was, not like Batman, Superman or Spider Man.
Yes he was already an icon prior to the movies. he was the second most popular marvel character even before the movies. He became more popular after wards, but he was an icon before they came out.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I think you inaccurately remember what happened.Within a few pannel, again it was not one shot.
The fight occurred off pannel it was even implied he put up a fight, an the image we see of Logan looks of a person who was hit all over and still he was no KOed.
Again not one shot like you originally stated. Again Logan was no KOed and had been fighting all day and was taken by surprize. If you read the issue you know he was completely fine the next page.
Yes he was already an icon prior to the movies. he was the second most popular marvel character even before the movies. He became more popular after wards, but he was an icon before they came out.
We seem to have different interpretations of getting one shotted. You're taking it literally; I'm using it in the sense that he gets owned in these particular fights very quickly. Hulk hasn't one shotted him - the fights are long and drawn out (because Marvel wants to see a whole issue of them fighting.)
And again, I will clarify - Wolverine has long been an icon in the comics field with fans, but that didn't mean he was well known outside the industry prior to the first film. The first animated series helped to create some more awareness, that's all. Prior to 2000, if you stopped the average person on the street and showed them a list of Marvel's 20 most popular characters, the only ones they would have been familiar with would have been Spider Man and the Hulk (and Thor possibly, but he's known from mythology.) That because of decades of exposure on TV - animated and live action - less to do with comics. Wolverine and the X-Men are just as famous now, but that's because of the movies.
Originally posted by roughrider
We seem to have different interpretations of getting one shotted. You're taking it literally; I'm using it in the sense that he gets owned in these particular fights very quickly.
Well the majority of the board says oneshotted when some one actaully been oneshotted.......which I find hard to believe your original intention was that you ment he got taken out quickly, because one can be taken otu quickly but take many shots before they go down.
Also each event had circumstances, one of which was shown off pannel and there no indication how long the fight was. Another he was taken by surprize after day of fighting and he was never KOed and he rebounded almost instantly after he stop getting hit. Sentry the only semi legit one and Logan has been damage prior to the fight and he took more then one shot and it the sentry mind you the guy who either jobbing or godly........
Originally posted by roughrider
Hulk hasn't one shotted him - the fights are long and drawn out (because Marvel wants to see a whole issue of them fighting.)
Originally posted by roughrider
And again, I will clarify - Wolverine has long been an icon in the comics field with fans, but that didn't mean he was well known outside the industry prior to the first film. The first animated series helped to create some more awareness, that's all. Prior to 2000, if you stopped the average person on the street and showed them a list of Marvel's 20 most popular characters, the only ones they would have been familiar with would have been Spider Man and the Hulk (and Thor possibly, but he's known from mythology.)
Originally posted by Badabing
It was in the FF. The arc where future Sue comes back in time. So it was a future Logan. PM me and I'll find the issue for you tomorrow.I do think a lot of the problems comes from Marvel. They seem to make him uber for some arcs then barely a threat in other arcs. Seems like they've started to even the character out recently. He's no longer a god-like character but still shows some good feats. I think him hurting Rulk but getting BFRed was pretty close to both of their power sets imo.
I agree and disagree. he was pretty consistent. People just blow certain events out of the water. Like the only angle of death thing and healing from a skeleton, they say this make him godly. Yet it fine when DP does it. It made him no more a threat then usual, just means he was pretty dam near impossiable to kill which he always been. I think a lot of it is more the fact he so popular everything he does is viewed by the majority of the board and events are blown out of poportion due to hate towards him which further fuels it. People make such a deal about it, that it just keeps getting worses and worses. Funny though one thing I notice is in order for events/feats to be validate for wolverine compared to other characters such as say IF, DP ect. you need far more examples/scans and evidence then say other characters who do something onces and it consider usable evidence by the majority of the board due to not possesing nearly such negative agression towards them by the boards.
I agree with you on the rulk event.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI disagree, Almost everyone I new, knew the x-men and the character they associated with them was Wolverine prior to the movies. He was not as big perhaps as the others, but he was certainly an Icon and was marvel second most popular marvel character.
Is that because the people you knew were comics fans like yourself?
If so, it's natural that he's an icon to them. Doesn't equal the world outside the comics.
You know you've made your mark in greater pop culture when you get mentioned in media unrelated to comics. Superman & Batman get referenced in many ways everyday, as does Spider Man. Thanks to decades of cartoons, Aquaman is a mocked character on Seinfeld. It's common in news reports or whatnot, when someone is losing control in some film footage to joke they're 'Hulking out'; the viewers know what is meant. And in a film like Transformers, in a room with lots of cuts in the wall, Wolverine( and Freddy Kruger) get referenced by Anthony Anderson to laughs of recognition by the audience, who know who Wolverine (and Hugh Jackman) is after three X-Men films. That's the status he has now, thanks to the films.
Originally posted by roughrider
Is that because the people you knew were comics fans like yourself?
Originally posted by roughrider
If so, it's natural that he's an icon to them. Doesn't equal the world outside the comics.
Originally posted by roughrider
You know you've made your mark in greater pop culture when you get mentioned in media unrelated to comics. Superman & Batman get referenced in many ways everyday, as does Spider Man. Thanks to decades of cartoons, Aquaman is a mocked character on Seinfeld. It's common in news reports or whatnot, when someone is losing control in some film footage to joke they're 'Hulking out'; the viewers know what is meant. And in a film like Transformers, in a room with lots of cuts in the wall, Wolverine( and Freddy Kruger) get referenced by Anthony Anderson to laughs of recognition by the audience, who know who Wolverine (and Hugh Jackman) is after three X-Men films. That's the status he has now, thanks to the films.
Yes he bigger now, but the fact is he was an icon prior to the movies, he was already marvel second biggest character and he was in cartoons, back packs, lunch boxes, under wear, shirts, pajama's. This was well before the movies. He was a known character. Most everyone new of the x-men prior to the movie they werent some secret, if they were why the hell would they make a movie on them? Hell there was video games, arcade games ect, of wolverine and the x-men well before the movies as well.
Originally posted by roughrider
Well, for starters, Logan could......Beat The Punisher(for once.) 😛
He KO punisher onces with a glancing blow.
He also left Punisher beat on the ground then pretty much call him gay and walked away with punisher on his back unable to move.
Originally posted by BattlehammerYes he bigger now, but the fact is he was an icon prior to the movies, he was already marvel second biggest character and he was in cartoons, back packs, lunch boxes, under wear, shirts, pajama's. This was well before the movies. He was a known character. Most everyone new of the x-men prior to the movie they werent some secret, if they were why the hell would they make a movie on them? Hell there was video games, arcade games ect, of wolverine and the x-men well before the movies as well.
Somehow I doubt your friends know so much about about Logan without looking at comics back in the day. I'm not a gamer; think I know anything about World Of Warcraft?
Prior to the first film's release, Wolverine was as well known as Iron Man. But the media buzz leading up to the Iron Man movie, was about Marvle gambling on a character 'largely unknown outside of comic circles.' Logan was once in the same position.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
though I know it a joke I cant help my self.He KO punisher onces with a glancing blow.
He also left Punisher beat on the ground then pretty much call him gay and walked away with punisher on his back unable to move.
Just like Hulk seems to job to Logan, Marvel makes Logan job to the Punisher. They have to, because there's no reason why Logan, with thousands of death notches on his claws, should be unable to put Frank in the ground. But under Garth Ennis, Frank puts Logan down with a baseball strike in the nuts, blows his face off with a shotgun, and rolls over him with a steamroller.
Generally surviving an encounter with Logan is the same as winning, if you're non powered.
Originally posted by roughrider
Somehow I doubt your friends know so much about about Logan without looking at comics back in the day. I'm not a gamer; think I know anything about World Of Warcraft?
So much? I said they new who he ways, not like they new his entire history or anything. my friends never read comics, they all new who he was.
I dont bplay WOW nor do most of my friends, but we all been to the arcade before when we were kids and saw x-men game. We all remeber the nintendo games and comercials. As well as the shows, t shirts ect. The x-men were very well exposed well before the movies. I not sure why you dont think they were.
Originally posted by roughrider
Prior to the first film's release, Wolverine was as well known as Iron Man. But the media buzz leading up to the Iron Man movie, was about Marvle gambling on a character 'largely unknown outside of comic circles.' Logan was once in the same position.
He was, as was every character including spiderman, but he was far from being unknown prior to the x-men movies. The did not take a gamble on him, he was well known by the majority of people in USA at least. There a reason why fox bought the x-men rights, they no spend all that money on an unknown. I am sorry, but you are quite wrong and mistaken. Wolverine nor the x-men were not in the position Iron Man was prior to there movie. They were already well known character in multiable media's.