Originally posted by BattlehammerDude (no offense of course) Wolverine fans bash all the time, and no Lobo vs Colossus was yesterday. Wolverine made his way into the thread yet again... *sigh*.
Lot of people hate him on the boards. I like the team ups as well. I like new avengers a lot to. It was my dream team for a while, but then doc strange lieft and IF and wolverine hardly in it anymore though it still a good read.Thoses thread are mad old.
Depends on the brick to be honest, any brick with real invalnerability, high end healing factor, superior combat speed or powerful range powers either shit stomp him or he puts up a fight but has no chances of winning. However people like Thing, Ares ect. There costume made for more to beat espcially thing.
He was praised on the baord verse anyone. It was always his mind works to fast, he has flash like speed, and he has the strength of 100 plus men. They dident go by stats for that DS dident even have stats on him.
Wolverine was always said on the boards to be peak-human back then, which never made any senses, he never was onces even hinted as being so in the comics. Actaully it not recently, a lot of his best physical feats are from back in the day.
Again old threads, recently for the last year or more that has not been the cases. The thread being made arnt by wolverine fans. There from either people socking or looking to bait. The thread length really has nothing to do with wolverine fans asside from the correcting of others on some matter. Msot of the time people are retarded and can't see that the idiot "supporting" wolverine is a sock baiting them.
Batman vs Lizard thread another perfect example. Again wolverine fan never brought that up, though if you are one and you respond to correct them, you automatically get blamed for bringing him up yet you dident. 85% of the time wolverine threads is brought up by a non fan, and the rediculous thread being created arnt by fan either.
They bash becuase they been bash repeatedly over and over. Yet one there being bash it ok, but as soon as they say something there the bad guys. The shit been going on forever. People jump on there ban wagons, and pretend there the inncosent ones when infact they been trolling or bashing the fan. sure bashing others is not the way to go about it, but it gets tireing been trolled/bashed/even worse when you have to repeat the same shit to same person 50 times every thread. Be sides very recently I barely evenen went into threads only to say a comment or two. There a reason me/srank/jinzin are barley in threads anymore. asside from mainly the last two days for me becuase I bored as hell writing my paper.
that they do.
God I hate that "wolverine wns kduie" crap it annoying. It the best when your debating and bring forth prove, scans issues numbers and people respond to you like that......... it utterly annoying. what worse is when people complain about all the wolverine fans when there litterally 4 on the board that support him well now five.
People need to patention most of these threads and "wolverine fans" are sock ****ing with people, or people baiting others, or simply making stupid thread.
Shit I can't even remeber the last wolverine thread I saw a wolverine supporter asside from carver make
Those ridiculous threads were throughout the times and all of his supporters supported them, all of them, not sock puppets, all of his supporters form A-Z.
Thread length does matter. What person argues Iceman vs Wolverine for 15 pages when he has not any chance whatsoever to even hurt him. Why does it matter who makes the threads? Why argue in them seriously? In Colossus vs Wolverine and Spiderman I jumped in, gave it to Colossus and left. If I feel they don't have a chance, I don't drag it on with stupid arguments. I'm going to have to start pulling up screenshots. If a bunch of idiots argue Superman vs Galactus and LT, he would get the same treatment (many people do bash Superman fans, but they are less rabid), those threads don't last more than a page and if they do, they are usually joke comments. But not Logan threads, they go on for ages and ages, when he clearly has no chance. Wolverine vs Wonder Woman (standard match, not the one I made), that one went on for ages with the same people defending him. Why? Why lower the reputation of Wolverine like that by arguing him in threads he has no chance against. Then call the smart members "morrroons" and proceed to bash them.
And no, the Wolverine supporters get away for bashing more because people feel sympathy for them. I won't say they don't get bashed, but they sure do get away with it. I've never seen a hardcore supporter banned for it.
Now if someone goes "Well for example, Wolverine is durable, but he isn't as skilled as xxx". Why does it have to get to be a huge off topic debate with Wolverine, in a nonrelated thread?
I mean Spiderman was brought up and he was a Lizard related character and there were no huge debates about him.
Every character has their ups and downs and fans, but on a consistent basis I can't imagine any character that will have at least 10 pages on a thread no matter how ridiculous except him. If people would just stop on both sides, it could improve. But to say Wolverine supporters were just easy going innocent guys is another issue entirely. Now some supporters are better than others obviously, but throughout the history on this board, I would say many of them fit that description.
Re: What does Woverine have to do?
Originally posted by roughriderAnd the Punisher also held his own against Logan in their very first meeting in 1989, in Punisher War Journal (under Carl Potts & Jim Lee.)
Neither had even met the other before, and Logan was out to kill Frank - mistaking him for a brutal poacher in Africa - but he was unable to due to Frank's quick resourcefulness. The conflict went on into the next issue until they both realized they ere on the same side.
I keep telling people that shit. 😎
Originally posted by kgkg
I have a question: What does Woverine have to do for you to convince you guys that he can indeed win high against top tiers?For example what would it take for you to say he can beat Thor , Can stab Superman etc...
I know we have many non believe and skeptic when it comes to Logan but one has to ask are we going to keep ignoring comics when it comes to this guy?
for example Say Wolverine beats Firelord by stabbing him to death etc would that change anything?
He ain't beating Thor or Superman. Thor has go to many showings that suggest that he would beat the shit out of Wolverine.
Originally posted by -Pr-
tell you what man. instead of going round and round and round again, let's break it down.how strong do you think logan is?
Originally posted by -Pr-
how durable do you think logan is?
Originally posted by -Pr-
how fast do you think logan is?
Originally posted by -Pr-
how potent do you think his healing factor is supposed to be?
Originally posted by -Pr-
in your opinion.
I based that off of what he been consistently shown.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
2 tonner. feats consistently support this. Higher when berserker.enhanced durability. He been stated with magnified durability, been stated several times with enhanced durability. His body was chemically treated during weapon x program.
combat speed I assume you mean. He spiderman level, spiderman marginally faster.
Pretty up there I mean he shown to be resistences to thinks Hulk has been effected by. heals damage as it been inflicted, feats supports this as does statement he made and others. However it not infinite. Damage inflicted slows it though may be marginally. Thats why circumstances of events matter a lot, becuase he not like DP who healing factor run on infinite. Also is dirrectly linked to his adrenalin which has been stated several times and shown
I based that off of what he been consistently shown.
and in your opinion, a two tonner whose only method of attack is physical combat should have no problems taking down people 50 times stronger than him?
Re: Re: What does Woverine have to do?
Originally posted by DeadlineHe ain't beating Thor or Superman. Thor has go to many showings that suggest that he would beat the shit out of Wolverine.
Though in a comic I could see him shit stomping wolverine or it being a fight depending on what Thor shows up Thor who brawls and who herc equal or the Thor who utalizes his abilties who shit stomps wolverine all over the place.
Thor wierd becuase he either uses all his range abilities, his speed ect, but other times he shit there like common brick.
Originally posted by BattlehammerNotice how you left out the part that earlier in the issue wolverine KO Frank with a glancing shot.
As for the fight you are speaking off, Logan was shot prior to the engagement and the enagagement last for 3 pannels, but thanks for trying to play it off like punisher did some amazing thing.
Why should it be mentioned - since it was failure on Wolverine's part?
He thought he killed Frank with his claws (which he was trying to do), but Frank pulled his body back enough to make it a glancing blow, faking out Wolverine. Wolverine failing to kill someone in the heat of combat - especially someone with no powers - is victory on the part of the Punisher. Because they picked up where they left off next issue.
It's rare for Logan not to truly defeat someone who's only peak human. Frank goes up there with Captain America...
...along with Cyclops, who beat Logan strictly h2h during Claremont & Byrne's Proteus storyline. 😄
Originally posted by -Pr-
and in your opinion, a two tonner whose only method of attack is physical combat should have no problems taking down people 50 times stronger than him?
again remeber this is comic world. People put far to much into ones strength.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Sounds rediculous, but when you factor in the claws it not. His claws have the ability to pierce the toughest hide. Strength aint everything. If you have the ability to withstand attacks of people 50 times your strength, but also have the ability to Bypass there durability due to your weapons it makes you quite capable. Espicially when he normally quite a bit quicker then his opponents and vastly more skilledagain remeber this is comic world. People put far to much into ones strength.
the claws aren't shit without the strength behind them. it's not just comics, it's simple science, science that's usually even applied in comic books.
you can't just dismiss strength altogether.
Originally posted by Deadline
The problem isn't strength and durability. Wolverine has what it takes to deal with people like that. Its just that characters like Thor and Superman have class 100 strength and durability and SPEED.class 100 strength + speed = Dead Wolverine.
class 100 strength + 'normal' speed = Dead Brick.
if superman just stood there and let logan wail on him for months on end, it wouldn't do shit. at all. the same should be true of thor.
Originally posted by roughrider
Why should it be mentioned - since it was failure on Wolverine's part?
Originally posted by roughrider
He thought he killed Frank with his claws (which he was trying to do), but Frank pulled his body back enough to make it a glancing blow, faking out Wolverine. Wolverine failing to kill someone in the heat of combat - especially someone with no powers - is victory on the part of the Punisher. Because they picked up where they left off next issue.
Originally posted by roughrider
It's rare for Logan not to truly defeat someone who's only peak human. Frank goes up there with Captain America...
Frank survived for a few seconds. Not sure what thats suposes to prove.
Originally posted by roughrider
...along with Cyclops, who beat Logan strictly h2h during Claremont & Byrne's Proteus storyline. 😄
Originally posted by -Pr-
if superman just stood there and let logan wail on him for months on end, it wouldn't do shit. at all. the same should be true of thor.
I don't agree. I think thats being blantantly unfair, now you're just blatantly ignoring millions of showings that indicate this. Superman and Thor winning is one thing but arguing that he can't injure them is another.
However I might actually concede with Superman because guys like Thor and Hulk have shown vulnerability to sharp objects.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the claws aren't shit without the strength behind them. it's not just comics, it's simple science, science that's usually even applied in comic books.you can't just dismiss strength altogether.
They are super sharp and hes highly skilled. As you know skill can compensate for strength alot in comics. Its highly plausible.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the claws aren't shit without the strength behind them. it's not just comics, it's simple science, science that's usually even applied in comic books.you can't just dismiss strength altogether.
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't agree. I think thats being blantantly unfair, now you're just blatantly ignoring millions of showings that indicate this. Superman and Thor winning is one thing but arguing that he can't injure them is another.However I might actually concede with Superman because guys like Thor and Hulk have shown vulnerability to sharp objects.
They are super sharp and hes highly skilled. As you know skill can compensate for strength alot in comics. Its highly plausible.
superman has force field around him all the time if not mistaken that thor does not posses.
Originally posted by Deadline
I don't agree. I think thats being blantantly unfair, now you're just blatantly ignoring millions of showings that indicate this. Superman and Thor winning is one thing but arguing that he can't injure them is another.However I might actually concede with Superman because guys like Thor and Hulk have shown vulnerability to sharp objects.
They are super sharp and hes highly skilled. As you know skill can compensate for strength alot in comics. Its highly plausible.
that's why i said superman, because he has proven durability against sharp objects unless there is significant strength behind them, like doomsday's bony protrusions, and the like.
wolverine won't cut him. at all.
and no, i disagree. sure, sometimes skill can make a difference, but all the skill in the world isn't going to let you punch through a concrete wall unless you can do one of those fancy kung fu channeling tricks.
running at something and waving your arms like a lunatic isn't channeling.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
His claws are suposes to be adam sharp or something. They consistently cut through everyone, it part of there ability. You dont have to like it, but to ignore it becuase it goes against science is retarded. For starters lets talk heavy hitters fighting, if anythem hit the other they would go flying to another countery yet that does not happen. You can't pick an chioce what you apply science too.
i'm not picking and choosing, and it's not an accurate comparison. to pierce anything you still need requisite force. why don't bricks punch each other to other countries? because they're strong enough to absorb most of the blow.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I agree with you. which is wierd we never agree.superman has force field around him all the time if not mistaken that thor does not posses.
his natural durability would protect him either way.