Originally posted by Deadline
The problem isn't strength and durability. Wolverine has what it takes to deal with people like that. Its just that characters like Thor and Superman have class 100 strength and durability and SPEED.class 100 strength + speed = Dead Wolverine.
class 100 strength + 'normal' speed = Dead Brick.
Originally posted by -Pr-and no, i disagree. sure, sometimes skill can make a difference, but all the skill in the world isn't going to let you punch through a concrete wall unless you can do one of those fancy kung fu channeling tricks.
i'm not picking and choosing, and it's not an accurate comparison. to pierce anything you still need requisite force. why don't bricks punch each other to other countries? because they're strong enough to absorb most of the blow.
Yes you are, all the strength in the world does not change your weight. You are picking and chiocing. If 100 tonner hit 600 pound 100 tonner he go flying into the next stated.
your applying real world science to one thing and not another.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Failure? he knocked Frank out........He got knock out and fell into a river.......far from a victory.
Capt America an enahnced human.
Frank survived for a few seconds. Not sure what thats suposes to prove.
Actaully cyclopes only throw an unstable wolverine who was compeltely ****ed up from being mind raped. Good showing for cyclopes. Though Logan at the time had no healing factor, was not even a mutant, was prior to his development of him being MA master. oh and his claws were bionic
What? Complete and total lies.
Frank faked out Wolverine into thinking he killed him. He was partially saved by wearing protection.
And what is this crap about Logan not being a mutant at the time during Proteus? He's always been a mutant. He wouldn't have been sought out by Professor X in the beginning if he wasn't. His claws were shown to be part of him and not bionic early in Claremont & Cockrum's run, which was a couple years before John Byrne came on the title (shown in the issues that led to the first appearance of Phoenix.) And his time in Japan had already been established - he just hadn't told anyone specifics about how long (hadn't even reveled his name as Logan yet.)
And I thought a mentally unstable Wolverine was even more dangerous to fight - guess not.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Normal humans in are world can punch through concrete........Yes you are, all the strength in the world does not change your weight. You are picking and chiocing. If 100 tonner hit 600 pound 100 tonner he go flying into the next stated.
your applying real world science to one thing and not another.
yes, because they have either trained to do it, are strong enough to do it.
nobody said it changes your weight. and it has happened that people have been punched/kicked massive distances. it just doesn't happen that often because with the requisite durability, you can absorb a lot of the force.
no, i'm not.
Originally posted by -Pr-
yes, because they have either trained to do it, are strong enough to do it.nobody said it changes your weight. and it has happened that people have been punched/kicked massive distances. it just doesn't happen that often because with the requisite durability, you can absorb a lot of the force.
no, i'm not.
yes you are picking and chiocing. Your saying Logan cutting people makes no sense due to real world science, that he does not posses enough strength.
But then ignoring real world science when in concern with hevay hitter hitting eachother. If your going to apply real world logic, you can't pick and chioce which is what you are doing.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully a lot of it has to do with speed.yes you are picking and chiocing. Your saying Logan cutting people makes no sense due to real world science, that he does not posses enough strength.
But then ignoring real world science when in concern with hevay hitter hitting eachother. If your going to apply real world logic, you can't pick and chioce which is what you are doing.
it can have a connection to speed, but it's not a requirement.
i'm not picking and choosing. at all.
i didn't ignore it. it's actual science that their bodies can absorb the amount of pressure to a point. bricks knock each other through buildings and across distances all the time, so no, you're the one whose picking and choosing.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
that was in responses to thor.
thought so. and no, superman's bio aura is part of his durability. it's not the totality of it. his skin would be able to resist the claws easily enough.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's why i said superman, because he has proven durability against sharp objects unless there is significant strength behind them, like doomsday's bony protrusions, and the like.wolverine won't cut him. at all.
Ok but like I said skill can compensate for strength.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and no, i disagree. sure, sometimes skill can make a difference, but all the skill in the world isn't going to let you punch through a concrete wall unless you can do one of those fancy kung fu channeling tricks.
I don't know what to say, in comics skills are like super powers. Shang Chi has used skill to absorb a class 100 punch and smash a substance not to too far off from diamond. Temugin used skill to flip over a tank. Wolverines area of expertise are is claws.
Originally posted by -Pr-
running at something and waving your arms like a lunatic isn't channeling.
You don't need him to state that hes using skill all the time. We already know hes highly skilled. Theres tons of evidence.
Originally posted by Deadline
Ok but like I said skill can compensate for strength.
and i would agree that SOMETIMES it can, but not always.
You don't need him to state that hes using skill all the time. We already know hes highly skilled. Theres tons of evidence.
and i wouldn't mind if he showed that skill when cutting hulk or the like. but most of the time, he's just madly swinging his arms.
i don't mind him cutting someone. with the nature of his powers, that should be a given, but people arguing that he can cut deep enough with only 2 ton strength to put people like hercules, or thor down with a slash or two is just flat out ridiculous imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it can have a connection to speed, but it's not a requirement.i'm not picking and choosing. at all.
i didn't ignore it. it's actual science that their bodies can absorb the amount of pressure to a point. bricks knock each other through buildings and across distances all the time, so no, you're the one whose picking and choosing.
thought so. and no, superman's bio aura is part of his durability. it's not the totality of it. his skin would be able to resist the claws easily enough.
yes you are.
No it not science. Person thats weight 600 pounds no matter how strong body would go flying from 100 tonner shot. No amount of strength would stop it, the weight of the hit is thousands of times hard then the weight of the object being it.
How am I picking and choosing?
I agree superman can withand his claws. I never onces argued that.
But it a fact he can does and will cut heavy hitters.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
strength is not a requirement either. Inorder to hit hard you dont have to be physically strong.yes you are.
No it not science. Person thats weight 600 pounds no matter how strong body would go flying from 100 tonner shot. No amount of strength would stop it, the weight of the hit is thousands of times hard then the weight of the object being it.
How am I picking and choosing?
I agree superman can withand his claws. I never onces argued that.
But it a fact he can does and will cut heavy hitters.
if the strength gap is big enough, then yes, you usually do.
not at all.
no no no no no. it's about energy, and the transferance of energy. if you are durable enough, regardless of your weight, you can absorb a portion of the blow. it's about energy transferrance and dissipation. it's why when superman blocked a punch from doomsday, every window within two or three blocks shattered, and a crater was created, but he didn't move. why? because his durability was sufficient to absorb and redirect the energy of the punch. that's science.
some heavy hitters, yes. with enough force to cripple them simply because they have no healing factor? then no, i don't agree.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
you did though, but it sounded to mean and I know I am mad tired so dident want to be an ass. Becuase your a buddy of mine, if you were wrathfuldwarf however.......
you don't like him?
Originally posted by -Pr-
and i would agree that SOMETIMES it can, but not always.and i wouldn't mind if he showed that skill when cutting hulk or the like. but most of the time, he's just madly swinging his arms.
i don't mind him cutting someone. with the nature of his powers, that should be a given, but people arguing that he can cut deep enough with only 2 ton strength to put people like hercules, or thor down with a slash or two is just flat out ridiculous imo.
He using skill thats a misconception that made clear in several issues. He attacking with pin point accuracy which is why he not killing everyone he hits even though it seems like wild slashing he actaully expertly aiming for flesh wounds.
He even does it with his punches, he holds back a lot, actaully he normally is only tapping normal people when he punches, he stated few times that if he used anywere near his real strength he crush people skull killing them.
His claws are super sharp, it part of his character. He can't take down thor in a slash or two, that was made evident in there last fight. He could hurt thor, but thor durability protected him greatly. Herc on the other had not so sure, he not as powerful or as good as thor. He always been second rate next to him. Herc when they fought seem to believe Logan could do some major damage with his claws.
Originally posted by -Pr-
if the strength gap is big enough, then yes, you usually do.not at all.
no no no no no. it's about energy, and the transferance of energy. if you are durable enough, regardless of your weight, you can absorb a portion of the blow. it's about energy transferrance and dissipation. it's why when superman blocked a punch from doomsday, every window within two or three blocks shattered, and a crater was created, but he didn't move. why? because his durability was sufficient to absorb and redirect the energy of the punch. that's science.
some heavy hitters, yes. with enough force to cripple them simply because they have no healing factor? then no, i don't agree.
you don't like him?
dude it not science though. Your applying real world science to one and not the other. Your strength would not matter at all if you weight thousands of tiems less then the force hitting you. Wolverine claws are so sharp that the force require to pierce and object is almost none exsistent.
here another one how does namor fly? How does colossus move, he solid metal? how does iceman turn from solid ive to flesh? how does emma move is she made of diamonds? How do almost any energy weilder shot blasts with out flying bakc wards or ripping apart there body.
and yet he done this so many times, it absurd.....you cant simply ignore this........it been part of his character for decades.......(still think you clearly dislike him)
Not a fan at all.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and i would agree that SOMETIMES it can, but not always.
I agree Batman for example. However I think Wolverines done it far too many times.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and i wouldn't mind if he showed that skill when cutting hulk or the like. but most of the time, he's just madly swinging his arms.
Yeah but thats what it looks like. Hes not going to spout stab of the sleeping crane or some shit like that is he, but due to his training we can assume skill is used.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't mind him cutting someone. with the nature of his powers, that should be a given, but people arguing that he can cut deep enough with only 2 ton strength to put people like hercules, or thor down with a slash or two is just flat out ridiculous imo.
Thats seems pretty reasonable to me.