I was referring to her methods, the way she was able to fool everyone, then chase down the President, tearing through Secret service men like they were nothing. If I remember right, she was right thee with a pistol on the President. If she can do all that, makes her much more effective than any sniper.
And Wesley took out an entire building full of the most highly trained assassins in the world while continually arming himself as he went along...And how long was he an assassin himself and how much training did he have...Virtually none.
Not true. The maximum range of his rifle is 4 miles. The only reason he never took a shot over a mile is because there was simply no need.
Yes the barrett can make a bullet travel 4 miles but any gun can make a bullet travel a large distance with no given target and given that there's noone in the world can hit a target at 4 miles out deliberately means it's effective range is only 1.13 miles because noone can compensate for all the variables to hit a target at 4 miles. The longest confirmed kill for a sniper in real life is 1.5 miles...
You want knowledge of sniping? Here's a quote from Shooter:
Good for Shooter that it needs to explicitly explain things...Wanted and Hitman showed the knowledge through action....And Hitman's and Wesley's shots SHOW far more knowledge and skill of sniping than anything either stated or shown in Shooter.
Mhm, and all it takes to be a good sniper is making long shots This is bullshit.
It's indicative of immense skill...Far more skill than Swagger shows.
That's maybe a mile.
It's WAAAYY over a mile...You know what rhymes with mile?...Denial.
Bottom line is that the shot was not over 2 miles, we can see this.
And yet it's still a longer distance that anything Swagger does with a shorter range gun that's just a souped up hunting rifle with little effort put into to the calculation of the shot.
I'm guessing next you'll be saying that Wesley's shot wasn't as impressive either so we'll look at that again for reference.
The initial flight before it passes the 1st skyscraper is over a mile...It then passes through a can of what I presume is energy drink....Continues on through the hole of a donut that a woman is about to eat then through another 8 car windows before continuing over the skyline and through another window to hit it's target straight through the centre of the head...But to you that's just a long distance with nothing else involved in it at all....All that with an antique Jezail rifle from the 1800's.
Originally posted by jaden101The initial flight before it passes the 1st skyscraper is over a mile...It then passes through a can of what I presume is energy drink....Continues on through the hole of a donut that a woman is about to eat then through another 8 car windows before continuing over the skyline and through another window to hit it's target straight through the centre of the head...But to you that's just a long distance with nothing else involved in it at all....All that with an antique Jezail rifle from the 1800's.
I'm pretty sure that counts against this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wesley did not curve bullets while sniping
do you not see the different paths that bullets taking 😐
1 shot its go upward out of a window
next shot its going almost completely horizontal
then its coming down into freemans heads
it wasn't even a curve by his power thing.
he took gravity into account to hit his mark.
and from THAT distance he shits all over swagger sniping
Originally posted by RobtardWow, you do realize I apologized, yes?
You're a sad and silly man-boy who'll go to any lengths to finagle some self-perceived victory in here; for what? A stupid MVF thread, have a little dignity.
I guess the nerve I hit was far more sensitive than I anticipated. It's cool, you'll get over it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you take my apology as trolling? Eeeeeeeeeeeerk. Gotta love them grudges.
Do you really think anyone is stupid enough to not see? You say "sorry", then continue with baiting tactics; as you just did.
I'll make it simple for you since in your head you probably have convinced yourself you're right and I really don't want to rubbish up the thread(s) with this nonsense of ours. Ignoring your further actions/post/msgs.
No hard feelings.
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you really think anyone is stupid enough to not see? You say "sorry", then continue with baiting tactics; as you just did.I'll make it simple for you since in your head you probably have convinced yourself you're right and I really don't want to rubbish up the thread(s) with this nonsense of ours. Ignoring your further actions/post/msgs.
No hard feelings.
Wow, you're like a scorned woman......My apology was sincere, that's why I posted it here for all to see. If you're so paranoid that you feel the need to accept it as trolling, you've got some serious problems.
My stance on who is the better all around sniper, however, is the correct one and I stand by it.
Here, observe some all around snipers:
Ding Chavez "In Clear and present Danger."
Thomas Beckett "Sniper."
Vassili Zaitsev and Major König "Enemy at the Gates."
Daniel Jackson "Saving Private Ryan."
And yes, Swagger
These snipers are better than 47 and Wesley at being an all around sniper. Can they make 4k shots? Nope. But look at when those guys are hunting for Ding, they're scouring the place and cannot find him.
Another thing? Beckett, Zaitsev, Konig, Jackson and Swagger? They were taking out enemies that were actively searching for them and returning fire. 47 and Wesley rely on their opponents standing in one spot, not moving, not aware.
I know the guys I just mentioned are not in this thread. They are, however, perfect examples of all around snipers, not just someone who can calculate and make a long ass shot at a non moving target who is standing exactly where the shooter wants them to stand. In the end, when it comes to sniping, that's all 47 and Wesley are.
Originally posted by jaden101Given the fact that I already said 47 is a better assassin?
Given that the thread is about assassin and not sniper does it matter?
But here's a question...Can Swagger make either 47's or Wesley's shot?If Swagger was in 47's nest 4k away (teehee right) and had time to calibrate the rifle, yes.
What you are ignoring is the fact that 47 and Wesley relied on their victims standing still, right where they wanted them to, to make their shot. Where are the feats of them outstalking other snipers? Where are the feats of them shooting moving targets? Where are the feats of them sniping under attack chopper fire? Where are the feats of them calibrating their rifle in the middle of a fight like Swagger did?
They do not exist. Swagger and the other snipers I mentioned have these feats. These feats make them better all around snipers. These feats enable them to rape 47 and Wesley in a sniper duel. In a sniper duel, 47 and Wesley will never see these guys.
If Swagger was in 47's nest 4k away (teehee right) and had time to calibrate the rifle, yes.
What you are ignoring is the fact that 47 and Wesley relied on their victims standing still, right where they wanted them to, to make their shot.
Which is called "planning an assassination"...And also involves making a shot that none of the snipers you've mentioned can make.
Thus...More skilled.
Not to mention that Wesley made what is basically a sniper shot with a pistol while on the roof of a speeding train.
Where are the feats of them sniping under attack chopper fire?
So your argument is that because there's no scenes involving attack helicoptors then Swagger is better because he shot one down with a rifle which is designed to be an anti material rifle in the 1st place (meaning it's designed to stop vehicles rather than shoot at people)
The plain and simple fact is that Swagger couldn't make the shots that Wesley and 47 make regardless of whether or not he was using the longest ranged most accurate sniper rifle in the world with all the time and planning and calibration he could manage (never mind with a mid range hunting rifle or and 1800's antique)...Because in his fact based world the shot is impossible except by sheer luck...Wesley and 47 have the luxury of being characters in their respective worlds where the impossible is possible and thus their feats can be and are far in excess of Swagger's.
Originally posted by jaden101You're hung up on the distance, bro. Why are you so hung up on the distance? What good is a shot that far if you can't see what you're shooting at?
YouTube videoWhich is called "planning an assassination"...And also involves making a shot that none of the snipers you've mentioned can make.
Thus...More skilled.
Not to mention that Wesley made what is basically a sniper shot with a pistol while on the roof of a speeding train.
So your argument is that because there's no scenes involving attack helicoptors then Swagger is better because he shot one down with a rifle which is designed to be an anti material rifle in the 1st place (meaning it's designed to stop vehicles rather than shoot at people)
The plain and simple fact is that Swagger couldn't make the shots that Wesley and 47 make regardless of whether or not he was using the longest ranged most accurate sniper rifle in the world with all the time and planning and calibration he could manage (never mind with a mid range hunting rifle or and 1800's antique)...Because in his fact based world the shot is impossible except by sheer luck...Wesley and 47 have the luxury of being characters in their respective worlds where the impossible is possible and thus their feats can be and are far in excess of Swagger's.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're hung up on the distance, bro. Why are you so hung up on the distance? What good is a shot that far if you can't see what you're shooting at?
Which is my point...Wesley clearly never had line of sight...When you're THAT good you don't need it....He still hit his target dead centre through the head.
Another example of less precise but no line of sight sniping is in the last series of the UK tv show "Spooks"
An sniper sets up an assassination on the US president by sniping through a building that has empty office units...He uses miniature explosives on a remote detonator to take out the glass that he calculates the bullet needs to travel through to hit targets outside the hotel where the president is staying...He hits and kills/injures a few people but the entire thing is only a distraction for a bomber who has ingested liquid explosives inside the building to do the real assassination.
Distance is quite clearly THE main indicator of sniping skill....Hence the reason Rob Furlong is relatively well known whereas most other snipers from the Iraq and Afghani wars aren't...The only 2 modern day snipers who's names will be more well known and Gary Gordon and Randy Schugart.
Wesley had a scope attached to his rifle, and a telescope attached to that.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Wanted
Yes, he had eyes on. If he didn't need eyes on, why the scope? Hell, why not just shoot with his eyes closed?
Long distance is ONE of the key elements to being an all around sniper.
Wesley had a scope attached to his rifle, and a telescope attached to that.
To that 1800's antique rifle yeah?
Yes, he had eyes on. If he didn't need eyes on, why the scope? Hell, why not just shoot with his eyes closed?
Doesn't mean it was a direct line of site...Infact it's impossible that it was because you see the bullet come over a building before hitting Sloan....That building is higher than Wesley's firing position thus it blocks the line of sight...Then there's the scene immediately after it passes through the can which shows the bullet came along a narrow street that has a large which building further down the road that makes line of sight impossible. As that scenes pans around the bullet then has to either go over another building or around an approx 23 degree bend to carry on its flight path...It also passes through a multi story car park and at least 5 cars then a narrow gap in the fencing around the carpark edges before being seen high above the skyline again. All Wesley needs to see is where he needs to fire the bullet to maintain the trajectory that will take it to the planned target.
Long distance is ONE of the key elements to being an all around sniper.
And Wesley can make shots of distance and precision that Swagger can only dream of. Makes you wonder what he'd make of short easy snipes.
Originally posted by jaden101Watch the movie, read the link. It's a scoped rifle with a telescope attached.
To that 1800's antique rifle yeah?
Doesn't mean it was a direct line of site...Infact it's impossible that it was because you see the bullet come over a building before hitting Sloan....That building is higher than Wesley's firing position thus it blocks the line of sight...Then there's the scene immediately after it passes through the can which shows the bullet came along a narrow street that has a large which building further down the road that makes line of sight impossible. As that scenes pans around the bullet then has to either go over another building or around an approx 23 degree bend to carry on its flight path...It also passes through a multi story car park and at least 5 cars then a narrow gap in the fencing around the carpark edges before being seen high above the skyline again. All Wesley needs to see is where he needs to fire the bullet to maintain the trajectory that will take it to the planned target.And it was a non moving, non aware target.
Show me where Wesley spotted a moving sniper of Swagger's caliber and killed him.
You can't.
Why?
Because it's not in his feats.
Moving on.
And Wesley can make shots of distance and precision that Swagger can only dream of. Makes you wonder what he'd make of short easy snipes.Cool story, brah.
Question.......You really think, in a snipers duel, that Swagger will be:
A: Unaware
B: Standing in one spot
C: You know.......Visible?