Originally posted by ImpedimentNo, he isn't. Anyone who thinks sniping is just making long shots is, at best, clueless.
Based on screen feats, Wesley is the better sniper. Bar none. It's irrefutable. Logic be goddamned.Any body who disputes said fact is disillusioned and is a fanboy.
Watch Shooter. Watch Sniper. These are all around snipers.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedidamn you're getting old. nothing but bullshyt upon bullshyt coming from you.
No, he isn't. Anyone who thinks sniping is just making long shots is, at best, clueless.Watch Shooter. Watch Sniper. These are all around snipers.
that shot wasn't just "long" as you put it.
its impossible to the other snipers & in real life.
wesley the better sniper PERIOD
Originally posted by 0mega SpawnLike I said. Clueless.
damn you're getting old. nothing but bullshyt upon bullshyt coming from you.that shot wasn't just "long" as you put it.
its impossible to the other snipers & in real life.
wesley the better sniper PERIOD
One more time: There's more to sniping than making long ass shots. Shots, BTW, that rely on the target being unaware they are being hunted and standing right where the sniper wants them to for ten seconds. Think about it.....You think 47 would have a chance against Ding Chavez in the jungle?
What, you think if Wesley paints an X on the ground, Swagger will see it and suddenly stand on it? haermm
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K. You do realize that the shot Wesley and Cross made depended on the target standing in one spot for ten seconds (a spot that Wesley and Cross chose FTW), right?
Yeah...That's called "planning" A pretty damn amazing feat to plan that shot...Out thinking your target to the point that you can get them to stand exactly where you want them even though they're the head of the best group of assassins in the world and even has knowledge that one of his own was assassinated in the same way only a short time before and yet still managing to kill him.
Did Swagger carry out as intricate an assassination or did he just rely of a little bit of stealth and then brute force?
Swagger's best shot is the one on the driver of the truck with the mounted MG at the start of Shooter.
His attack on the compound later on, while impressive, doesn't even come close to Wesley's assault on the Fraternity plus Swagger has the assistance of an FBI agent for spotting enemies as well as killing them.
Not if Swagger is aware of 47's feats.
Ah so now you're adding stuff to the OP to try and help Swagger?
Originally posted by jaden101Question. If Freeman knew that Wesley was targeting him, you think he would have walked in and stood on the X for ten seconds?
Yeah...That's called "planning" A pretty damn amazing feat to plan that shot...Out thinking your target to the point that you can get them to stand exactly where you want them even though they're the head of the best group of assassins in the world and even has knowledge that one of his own was assassinated in the same way only a short time before and yet still managing to kill him.
Nope.
Moving on.
Did Swagger carry out as intricate an assassination or did he just rely of a little bit of stealth and then brute force?He scouted three cities and planned a Presidential hit which he could have easily carried out.
Did 47 ever face down 3 CIA counter snipers and rape them all?
Nope.
Moving on.
Swagger's best shot is the one on the driver of the truck with the mounted MG at the start of Shooter.Ahahahahaa now you're being silly. He is known for making mile long shots in his sleep.
His attack on the compound later on, while impressive, doesn't even come close to Wesley's assault on the Fraternity plus Swagger has the assistance of an FBI agent for spotting enemies as well as killing them.n a straight up gunfight, Swagger loses, I have acknowledged this.
Ah so now you're adding stuff to the OP to try and help Swagger?How?
Question. If Freeman knew that Wesley was targeting him, you think he would have walked in and stood on the X for ten seconds?Nope.
Are you a spastic? Obviously he didn't know that would be how Wesley would plan to take him out but he obviously knew that Wesley was planning to take him out some way as that's why he tried to kill Wesley 1st..
He scouted three cities and planned a Presidential hit which he could have easily carried out.
But seeing as he didn't take the shot we'll never know will we?
Did 47 ever face down 3 CIA counter snipers and rape them all?
And what scene is this from?
Because if you're referring to the scene in the mountains they weren't CIA. They were mercenaries and given that they never actually do anything we don't know how well trained they are.
What we do know is that 47 killed 3 highly trained assassins (trained exactly the same as he was) in close quarters combat.
Ahahahahaa now you're being silly. He is known for making mile long shots in his sleep.
Waaa waaa thought it wasn't all about distance.
Originally posted by jaden101Indeed.
Are you a spastic? Obviously he didn't know that would be how Wesley would plan to take him out but he obviously knew that Wesley was planning to take him out some way as that's why he tried to kill Wesley 1st..
Question, yes or no: Did Wesley's shot depend on Freeman standing right where Wesley wanted him to for several seconds?
But seeing as he didn't take the shot we'll never know will we?Lulz, he planned it, they used his rifle. He could have made the shot. Why would he not be able to?
And what scene is this from?Snow scene.
Because if you're referring to the scene in the mountains they weren't CIA. They were mercenaries and given that they never actually do anything we don't know how well trained they are.Wait, you're right. They were ex spec ops turned mercenary. ✅
What we do know is that 47 killed 3 highly trained assassins (trained exactly the same as he was) in close quarters combat.And this has what to do with being a sniper?
Waaa waaa thought it wasn't all about distance.Good to see you've finally accepted that.
Question, yes or no: Did Wesley's shot depend on Freeman standing right where Wesley wanted him to for several seconds?
Yes it involved Wesley out smarting the head of the most elite group of assassins in the world and making stand exactly where he wanted him to be.
Of course, his "snipe" with a mere handgun from the roof of a moving train didn't involve that kind of planning. In simply meant passing by the room where he knew the target would be...And still killing him from a large distance without line of sight and with a pistol.
Beat that, Swagger.
Lulz, he planned it, they used his rifle. He could have made the shot. Why would he not be able to?
I'm not saying he couldn't. As the FBI agent himself said...If Swagger can hit a target 5 times from a distance of 1000 yards then how come he missed by 2 and a half feet from 2000 yards...There's no reason he couldn't make the shot...But the fact is he didn't make the shot...Therefore it's not a feat.
Wait, you're right. They were ex spec ops turned mercenary.
That's never stated in the film at any point.
And this has what to do with being a sniper?
Lucky this thread isn't about the best sniper isn't it.
Good to see you've finally accepted that.
It's about skill...Which Wesley has infinitely more of.
My argument is that Swagger is a better all around sniper and would rape 47 in a sniper duel.
So you're argument against Wesley being a better sniper than Swagger is that Swagger is a better sniper than....a 0completely different character? (Wich even then, he's not)
Nice.
Originally posted by jaden101That was a pistol shit, not a rifle shot. I already said, many times, that Wesley is better with a pistol. 🙄
Yes it involved Wesley out smarting the head of the most elite group of assassins in the world and making stand exactly where he wanted him to be.Of course, his "snipe" with a mere handgun from the roof of a moving train didn't involve that kind of planning. In simply meant passing by the room where he knew the target would be...And still killing him from a large distance without line of sight and with a pistol.
Beat that, Swagger.
I'm not saying he couldn't. As the FBI agent himself said...If Swagger can hit a target 5 times from a distance of 1000 yards then how come he missed by 2 and a half feet from 2000 yards...There's no reason he couldn't make the shot...But the fact is he didn't make the shot...Therefore it's not a feat.He made the shot against the can of stew, it was the same distance.
That's never stated in the film at any point.Pretty sure it is.
Lucky this thread isn't about the best sniper isn't it.It evolved into that. Then I started the sniper thread.
It's about skill...Which Wesley has infinitely more of.Not when it comes to being a complete sniper.
So you're argument against Wesley being a better sniper than Swagger is that Swagger is a better sniper than....a 0completely different character? (Wich even then, he's not)Yes, he is. Better than both. Apparently you're one of those people who thinks that all sniping is is making long shots.Nice.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, he is. Better than both. Apparently you're one of those people who thinks that all sniping is is making long shots.
You're right. It's not just about being able to make long shots, it's about being able to Mauneuer between multiple tragets quickly AKA damn good reflexes. Wesley = superhuman reflexes +superhuman ability to shoot bullets not just impossible long distances, but in non linear trajectories= Bobby's candy ass getting absolutely pawned. Sniper duel? He's not even going to know where the bullet is coming from
*note Bobby Lee is a badass mofo and I do not consider him a candy ass. I am just quoting what Wesley will probably say right after he kills him
Originally posted by Lestov16
You're right. It's not just about being able to make long shots, it's about being able to Mauneuer between multiple tragets quickly AKA damn good reflexes. Wesley = [B]superhuman reflexes +superhuman ability to shoot bullets not just impossible long distances, but in non linear trajectories= Bobby's candy ass getting absolutely pawned. Sniper duel? He's not even going to know where the bullet is coming from*note Bobby Lee is a badass mofo and I do not consider him a candy ass. I am just quoting what Wesley will probably say right after he kills him [/B]
See, thing is, he'll have to find Swagger in his scope first. Swagger has experience in stalking other snipers, Wesley doesn't.