Originally posted by dadudemon
This is FACT.The gun he was using couldn't have made that shot. Fact.
Even if he was using one of the newer "super" distance guns, he'd still need a spotter with one of those devices that account for ...well...EVERYTHING including the curvature of the Earth.
THEN!
He'll need special sniping BULLETS to even be usable for that distance.
In otherwords, it was PIS that he even made that shot. It is literally impossible. It is not even "super-human"...it's quite simply and literally impossible. Chalk it up to stupid writing.
Good thing we don't dismiss screen feats because they're illogical, as it would kill most threads in here. Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, Neo, Optimus Prime, Riddick etc. X infinity
Point still stands, 47 is a WAY better sniper than Swagger. Screen feats, you know. RJ won't accept this, Swagger is in his ring of tossing.
Originally posted by Robtard
Good thing we don't dismiss screen feats because they're illogical, as it would kill most threads in here. Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, Neo, Optimus Prime, Riddick etc. X infinity
What's wrong with pointing out something that's literally and inexorably impossible?
Making a human have super hard skin, super large bones, super strong muscles through genetic engineering is hardly impossible. Neo gets his powers from a damn computer program only INSIDE the program. Wolverine gets his healing factor from a mutation in his genetics. Riddick is not even the same species as a human (if he is, he is a sub-species. Think something similar to dog breeds), but gets all of his strength, endurance, agility, vision, from his nice furyian genetics.
Superman's "abilities" crome from his kryptonian genetics and his cell's ability to collect and use sunlight...again genetics. 50 years from now, none of those characters or abilities are out of reach...and a few of them are being worked today (and they suspect that the 2008 Olympics had some gene dopers.)
However, we CAN debate/discredit B.S. things that happen in movies such as a sniper make a snipe at an impossible distance, with a gun that cannot even shoot that far, with a bullet not designed to go that far. It's called sh*tty/faulty writing. It happens.
We can also point out that Superman would have pushed arm sized holes right into the Jet he tried to stop as it was crashing. There's no way the nose would have been able tolerate Superman's tiny little hands slowing the plane down. These are just examples of stupid things that happen in movies that are impossible.
Originally posted by Robtard
Point still stands, 47 is a WAY better sniper than Swagger. Screen feats, you know. RJ won't accept this, Swagger is in his ring of tossing.
Actually, I don't see how that makes him a WAY better sniper. Sure, the feat can still stand. Just to satisfy me, we will pretend he made the shot with a gun that can do it (i'm not sure one exists. I think the best they've got is a 2 mile gun.) With a bullet capable of the flight (I think thye do have bullets that can travel that far.) So, I'm pretending to humor it...
Still doesn't mean he's a better sniper. The scope clearly shows the target. As RJ has pointed out, that means he's clearly adjusted proper, there's 0 wind, and 0 atmospheric density from the firing point all the way to the perps head. (Cause his sights were right on the target's head.) Just like RJ said, an average joe with decent experience could make the same shot, no problem.
Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.
47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality', since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.
47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."
So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.
Originally posted by Robtard
Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality', since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.
47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."
So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey Rob, how was 47 able to make that 4k shot having his crosshairs centered on dudes head?
Stop dodging, answer the question.
Originally posted by Placidity
^ Hey DDM, what would this make your idol Ozymandias?He is stated to have no super powers on-screen.
Yet you argued he could beat Spider-man?
Again, sh*tty writing. He obviously had several superhuman feats with the main one of them obviously being his intellect. With the current set of genetics, no human on earth could catch a bullet (fired perfectly normal from a gun at less than what....10-20 feet?)
We can, however, say that in that Universe, humans exist with superpowers that are considered "normal." Still, I HATE having to make up stupid b.s. like that to accommodate crappy writing/feats.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Stop dodging, answer the question.
He made the impossible shot because he's a fictional character with impossible abilities, like many others in here. Swagger isn't one of these characters, he's realistic, basically.
Now stop breaking the "screen feats" rule, get Swagger's johnson out of your mouth and abide. There are rules here, yet you break them when one of your favourites is debated. Stop.
Originally posted by Robtard
Might as well argue that Swagger can fire heat from his eyes, like Superman did, by starring and concentrating.
Now, you know that that is just a rediculous strawman argument.
Originally posted by Robtard
47 made the shot, a shot that's impossible and would be impossible for Swagger who's limited by 'reality',
😆
I love it.
Originally posted by Robtard
since his abilities are governed by this (47 isn't, as his abilities are in the fantasy realm, as are many characters we debate). No amount of Swagger nob-licking will counter this.47 is a better sniper than Swagger. /the end. 47 is better all around, as the movie clearly states he's an "expert in all forms of combat."
So stop being foolish and abide by the "screen feats" rule, both of you.
Screen feat still stands. He made a shot by firing at someone lined up in his crosshairs. No denying that. That's an easy shot, for a novice. No denying that, either.
Originally posted by Placidity
It's called a movie. It was to show how skilled 47 was.Remember: M-o-v-i-e
AHHHHHHH!
How DARE you! 😆
Originally posted by PlacidityHe used a rifle with a scope, which exist in real life, therefore real life logic must be applied.
It's called a movie. It was to show how skilled 47 was.Remember: M-o-v-i-e
Now. Why were the crosshairs centered on dudes forehead?
Its OK, you can go ahead and say it, we all know the answer.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Now, you know that that is just a rediculous strawman argument.😆
I love it.
Screen feat still stands. He made a shot by firing at someone lined up in his crosshairs. No denying that. That's an easy shot, for a novice. No denying that, either.
Don't pull the strawman argument, as that wasn't one. I never passed that off as your argument. It was a comparison to illustrate a point.
He made an impossible feat, because he has impossible in reality abilities. Swagger can't make these, going by the "screen feats" rule. I suggest you abide the rules.
Originally posted by Robtard
He made the impossible shot because he's a fictional character with impossible abilities, like many others in here. Swagger isn't one of these characters, he's realistic, basically.Now stop breaking the "screen feats" rule, get Swagger's johnson out of your mouth and abide. There are rules here, yet you break them when one of your favourites is debated. Stop.
Bullshit. It's obvious you know shit about zeroing in a rifle.
The "screen feat" was not just him squeezing the trigger, man, it was everything that went into the shot. The scouting, the planning, 47 calibrating the scope so that all he had to do was center the crosshairs on dudes head and squeeze the trigger.
Or are you implying that 47 used a bullet that kept a straight trajectory for 4k? If so, what's so hard about sniping? Why cant anyone do it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't pull the strawman argument, as that wasn't one. I never passed that off as your argument. It was a comparison to illustrate a point.
Exactly. It was a strawman comparison. It is unrelated to what I said and it does not follow, logically.
Originally posted by Robtard
He made an impossible feat, because he has impossible in reality abilities. Swagger can't make these.
No, no, no, no. lol
It is not "impossible" abilities. It's "impossible" for the gun and ammunition to even do that. Even a superhuman (baring TK or other trajectory augmenting abilities) couldn't make that shot. It's literally impossible with the equipment he had.
Now, if you can prove he had TK or some othe superhuman ability that kept the bullet on path and at speed, I'll jump right on the 47 bandwagon (even if it doesn't exist yet).
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. It's obvious you know shit about zeroing in a rifle.The "screen feat" was not just him squeezing the trigger, man, it was everything that went into the shot. The scouting, the planning, 47 calibrating the scope so that all he had to do was center the crosshairs on dudes head and squeeze the trigger.
Or are you implying that 47 used a bullet that kept a straight trajectory for 4k? If so, what's so hard about sniping? Why cant anyone do it?
LoL. Again, reality doesn't apply here, as that shot was in the fantasy realm.
Exactly, 47 can do all these things on the "impossible and unrealistic" level, becuase he's this kind of fictional character.
Swagger can't, no amount of adoration or the character will change this. Abide by the screen feats rule.
Originally posted by RobtardSo, 47 centered his crosshairs on dudes head, then squeezed the trigger. This is the extent of the screen feat, because this is all we can SEE him doing. Right? THAT means you or I could have made the shot. Seriously, look through the scope, center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger. How hard is that?
LoL. Again, reality doesn't apply here, as that shot was in the fantasy realm.Exactly, 47 can do all these things on the "impossible and unrealistic" level, becuase he's this kind of fictional character.
Swagger can't, no amount of adoration or the character will change this. Abide by the screen feats rule.
BTW:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Rifle-Scope
Educate yourself.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly. It was a strawman comparison. It is unrelated to what I said and it does not follow, logically.No, no, no, no. lol
It is not "impossible" abilities. It's "impossible" for the gun and ammunition to even do that. Even a superhuman (baring TK or other trajectory augmenting abilities) couldn't make that shot. It's literally impossible with the equipment he had.
Now, if you can prove he had TK or some othe superhuman ability that kept the bullet on path and at speed, I'll jump right on the 47 bandwagon (even if it doesn't exist yet).
"strawman comparison" now? LoL.
I don't have to prove anything, it's on screen; it's a screen feat. 47 made a shot with a sniper that Swagger couldn't make in RJ's wettest dream, ergo, 47 is a better sniper (and better all around, as I showed above with another screen feat).
All you're doing is ignoring the "screen feats" rule and it's bordering on trolling now. Abide the rules.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So, 47 centered his crosshairs on dudes head, then squeezed the trigger. This is the extent of the screen feat, because this is all we can SEE him doing. Right? THAT means you or I could have made the shot. Seriously, look through the scope, center the crosshairs, squeeze the trigger. How hard is that?BTW:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Rifle-Scope
Educate yourself.
All you are saying is that how they use rifles in the film wasn't depicted accurately. Doesn't change anything.