Originally posted by SpireI responded back to the arguments I left off at. You were irrelevant. It didn't matter who you were. I didn't just pick you out I responded to other posters as well.
So in other words, you responded to my post two weeks later, as a personal choice. However, I'm not in your mind.
I just stumbled upon this and remembered this thread, so here is Kurt Busiek's stance on the whole HV/Hammer strike:
Posters says:
Originally posted by XPac
I was a bit disappointed that Thor came off kinda stupid though. It bugged me that he just suddenly did his best Superman impression by taking the heat ray vision chest first when he had his hammer right in his hand (which could have absorbed or at least deflected it). It's like Cap taking a bullet when he's got his shield. Sure his bullet proof chain mail can probably take it... but why not just block it?
Kurt's response:
Originally posted by Kurt Busiek
Two reasons he didn't just block it:1. George thought it looked cool that way.
2. He wasn't just holding the hammer, he was swinging it back preparatory to slamming it down at Superman with a full arm swing behind it; he can't do that and block an attack with it at the same time.
So looked at that way, he's choosing to withstand the brunt of Superman's heat-vision attack in order to make his own more powerful; had he used the hammer to block the attack, he couldn't have swung it at Superman anywhere near as hard.
However, Thor has long shown great resistance to energy-attacks, so I didn't think the heat vision was doing much damage in the first place. Thor's "the lord of the living lightning," so energy attacks seem to get shrugged off relatively easily.
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Originally posted by PhilosophíaYes, I read that on cbr as well. He also backed up Thor's response if could be different on any other day. I personally asked him the question and he stated Thor even says as much in issue 4.
I just stumbled upon this and remembered this thread, so here is Kurt Busiek's stance on the whole HV/Hammer strike:Posters says:
Kurt's response:
With all things considered it was a very close fight the writer himself admits could be different on any given day.
The only part I have always had a problem with is Thor's astonishment when Nefaria did exactly the same thing over 20 years ago. That was out of character for Thor to completely freeze up when he had previously seen it.
Kurt also further expanded he doesn't go based off of combat simulations and it all comes down to writer's rigging stories and the fact that most comic fans don't understand the fact that most of these feats aren't as well thought out as you might expect. They are written to create drama not based off of their power charts or how much their handbooks say they can lift.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Strength - wash
Durability - slight advantage team 2
Magic - advantage team 1 (Cap's contribution is negated by Superman's vulnerability)
Weapons - team 1
Fighting skills - team 1I say team 1 takes it 6 or 7 out of 10.
I can agree with this. Although I would give the slight strength advantage to Team 2. It isn't a huge gap mind you.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Strength - wash
Durability - slight advantage team 2
Magic - advantage team 1 (Cap's contribution is negated by Superman's vulnerability)
Weapons - team 1
Fighting skills - team 1I say team 1 takes it 6 or 7 out of 10.
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This is pretty accurate, imo. Though I would add speed as an advantage for team 2.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆This is pretty accurate, imo. Though I would add speed as an advantage for team 2.
Yeah, I thought about that. WW and Superman are about even in terms of combat speed with Thor being able to match Superman in terms of straight line speed. For the purposes of this fight, I assumed they'd fight at their typical near-human speed.
Originally posted by tideoftime
Supes and WW spar/work out semi-regularly in JL/WW. But my point to that was really in reference to the opposition, as he isn't fighting Superman in this scenario. Should have been more clear. My bad.
Superman has skills. You don't fight against as many monsters as he has, and win, without learning how to fight.
Super speed pressure point strikes, anyone? Beating Kobra?
HOWEVER.... Captain Marvels the guy who normally holds his own against Black Adam. His power set pretty much gives him skills far beyond his experience level, because his gods are constantly giving him advice and influencing his capabilities.. Only way to explain how a child with no fighting experience can even compete with an older, more experience warrior....