Getting back on topic, Team 1 brings more skill and battle seasoning whereas Team 2 brings more overt strength and speed. CM, while a powerhouse in his own right, is fighting two people who basically have powers or abilities or equipment catered to bring him down. I'm unsure whether or not any kind of lightning bolt reverts Marvel back to Billy (I've read some comics where it applies to Freddy and Mary, so it's reasonable to assume it applies to Billy, but because he's the original receipient of the PoS, it may not be valid for him), but if it does, Thor could summon a bolt from on high to trigger the transformation. Even if he can't do this, this means that CM can't get Shazam happy around him, less Thor redirect the lightning bolt. Also, Diana, again, if she gets that lasso around him gets a insta-win. End of the day, I'm inclined to believe Thor and WW have the advantage.
Originally posted by ZeuodinActually, with us ordinary mortals, running speed and reflex speed (and you need good reflexes in combat) are about equal: about 20 mph.
Huh? If you can travel that fast you can move that fast? that does not compute.
But I know what you're saying. I know of only one scan where Surfer is moving his arms FTL while his body isn't moving (it's in his Respect Thread). So while this (and some inferential logic) suggest Surfer does have top-tier combat speed, it's not a strong case, not like with, say, Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit to being completely and utterly biased?
If by biased you mean the book Superman lifted was infinite and the weight Thor was resisting wasn't infinite, yes I'm 100% biased.
Tell you what, how about you concede now and save yourself the trouble of extending your shitty logic, dodges, derailments, and strawman arguments in an attempt to salvage your position?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's attention was elsewhere as was Superman's. Superman's jaw was shattered. Thor was ko'd by someone with uber skill. Now if I were a smart man and I am I'd rather my character have Thor's showing than Superman's which was in his own book which makes it all the worse.[/B]
In other words, Superman can be hurt. Oh, and he can also be hurt if he isn't paying attention.
If by 'smart' you mean 'not so smart', then I absolutely agree.
Originally posted by SpireTo even administer that feat is biased. He only did so with an alternate version of Marvel. I mean come on now. 🙂
If by biased you mean the book Superman lifted was infinite and the weight Thor was resisting wasn't infinite, yes I'm 100% biased.Tell you what, how about you concede now and save yourself the trouble of extending your shitty logic, dodges, derailments, and strawman arguments in an attempt to salvage your position?
In other words, Superman can be hurt. Oh, and he can also be hurt if he isn't paying attention.
If by 'smart' you mean 'not so smart', then I absolutely agree.
Are you saying Superman has infinite strength?
You keep ignoring the context of "hurt." His jaw was absolutely crushed by an equal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
To even administer that feat is biased. He only did so with an alternate version of Marvel. I mean come on now. 🙂Are you saying Superman has infinite strength?
You keep ignoring the context of "hurt." His jaw was absolutely crushed by an equal.
😂
Originally posted by Spire
Tell you what, how about you concede now and save yourself the trouble of extending your shitty logic, dodges, derailments, and strawman arguments in an attempt to salvage your position?
Originally posted by SpireSo you're this desperate? You are using shared feats as proof of Superman's strength. He seemed to be an equal of another Marvel while his strength seems to be equal to the mainstay version. I see just more of the same.
😂
At least you are quoting yourself instead of repeating yourself. I am glad to see you save yourself the time. Superman=Captain Marvel-5.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're this desperate? You are using shared feats as proof of Superman's strength. He seemed to be an equal of another Marvel while his strength seems to be equal to the mainstay version. I see just more of the same.At least you are quoting yourself instead of repeating yourself. I am glad to see you save yourself the time. Superman=Captain Marvel-5.
Derailment.
Remember? I'm biased... Thor... Infinite weight...
Originally posted by SpireI don't think Thor can lift infinite weight nor can Superman. Both have limits. This should all be common sense. One thing I wouldn't do is tout some strength feat of Thor's if he had the Hulk help him lift something. 😂
Derailment.Remember? I'm biased... Thor... Infinite weight...
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think Thor can lift infinite weight nor can Superman. Both have limits. This should all be common sense. One thing I wouldn't do is tout some strength feat of Thor's if he had the Hulk help him lift something. 😂
Still trying to derail.
I'm biased... Thor feat... Superman feat...
Originally posted by SpireNeither proves anything. It seems that Superman is no stronger than that Marvel save his own. He needed him to lift the book.
Still trying to derail.I'm biased... Thor feat... Superman feat...
I never touted Thor with infinite strength. Don't be silly. You running around proclaiming a shared feat as uber is pretty funny though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither proves anything. It seems that Superman is no stronger than that Marvel save his own. He needed him to lift the book.I never touted Thor with infinite strength. Don't be silly. You running around proclaiming a shared feat as uber is pretty funny though.
Concession accepted, true Thor fan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speechless again? I am A TRUE THOR FAN. Next time don't be foolish enough to use feats a character only accomplished with help.I remember the time you claimed a oneshot was in all actuality a ko.
Speechless?
I accepted your concession.
I even called your bullshit. THEN you responded to it, doing exactly as I stated.
Originally posted by SpireI didn't concede I called you on your bs. I guess shared feats prove how infinitely strong he is let alone he doubted his own strength against Subjekt.
Speechless?I accepted your concession.
I even called your bullshit. THEN you responded to it, doing exactly as I stated.
Next time use feats Superman does on his own.