Team 1 probably (Probably) wins this.
- both "warriors born" which gives them an edge in ferocity.
- T1 has more battle skill/experience. Tactically, WW will sic Thor on Supes while she stalls CM long enough for Thor (using "Full Potential" Mjolnir) to trump Superman. Then 2>1 = CM goes down.
- magic
- edge in versatility
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, you made it sound like if superman faced thor, he would losesuperman is a better fighter than thor because of higher punching power, reflexes, flight being better incorporated into his attacks, etc...need I go on?
Superman is more powerful than thor in that he is stronger and much much faster.
Yes, thor's magic is overrated.
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however team 2 should win
Originally posted by Spire
Superman does this.
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Oh really? Because clearly "Tempest=Thor" physically and Superman is anywhere as skilled as Mantis right?
Are you really trying to pass off the Mantis thing as something Clark can do, when at that time, she one shot an Elder of the Universe with one of those attacks, a giant ant for some reason, and dropped Vision a freaking android with her attack somehow to etc. Heck, he the writer had her toss Thor, Iron Man, Black Panther and Vision who were trying to restrain her like a sack of potatoes as I recall. That writer though called Thor invulnerable I believe. He also had her literally state when she was taking on the Avengers, that against her no matter how strong you are, it doesn't matter because her skill is too great. They literally gave no other reason than she was "that" good. She was the Karate Kid of Marvel in that era. She had the entire I can see weaknesses in an opponent thing going as I recall.....
I might as well post scans of Atlas beating the shit out of Superman because of the entire magic shtick, and say Thor would do it....
Originally posted by Starscream M
sigh...I should know better than to debate you on anything to do with thor.yes, I'm aware of thor's various powers....the problem is most of them are quiet useless against an enemy as fast as superman.
and superman is vastly faster than thor. thor was speedblitzed by gladiator, and superman would make gladiator look slow in comparison.
superman isn't really any more vulnerable to magic these days than any other character.
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Sure they are.
Faster in what way? Body movement? Sure. Thor has some pretty impressive reflexes and his own flight speed far beyond light, that means it's nothing he can't handle.
Speed blitzed by Gladiator? Gladiator got the jump on Thor by knocking the hammer out of his hand when Thor had his back turned destroying debree around as I recalled (Which wouldn't happen if Thor willed it to stay in his hand.). And you know why Gladiator isn't exactly a helpful example? Thor was so fast that he was beating on Gladiator before he could react it either, once he stopped fooling around so I really don't see how that proves anything....
Slow? The dude had ridiculous combat speed showings such as his fight against Hyperion. Or the time he was keeping up with the Avengers, and Thor even though the fact that the entire time thing sped them up to the point it's as if everything was standing still in time in comparison to them, and Gladiator was keeping up just fine. His also moved at speeds countless times faster than light etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusFaster.In.Every.Friggin.Way.ImaginableFaster in what way? Body movement? Sure. Thor has some pretty impressive reflexes and his own flight speed far beyond light, that means it's nothing he can't handle.
Superman is mentally faster (ie calculations, memory recall, etc).
Superman can react faster.
Superman can hit faster.
Superman can fly faster.
Superman can run faster.
Superman can dodge faster.
Thor can fly at lightspeed? good for him. can he turn on a dime and zig zag at lightspeed....NO. All he can do is travel at lightspeed...which isn't gonna help him in a fight.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Faster.In.Every.Friggin.Way.ImaginableSuperman is mentally faster (ie calculations, memory recall, etc).
Superman can react faster.
Superman can hit faster.
Superman can fly faster.
Superman can run faster.
Superman can dodge faster.
Thor can fly at lightspeed? good for him. can he turn on a dime and zig zag at lightspeed....NO. All he can do is travel at lightspeed...which isn't gonna help him in a fight.
Yea, his processing speed is faster. Especially recently.
True. Thor isn't slow though. His shown evidence of possessing faster than light reflexes.
Debatable if Thor is using Mjolnir.
Debatable.
That's a given.
Yes he is.
Thor was doing fine, and even dodging attacks from Skuttlebutt when they were moving at speeds much faster than light apparently. Even without Mjolnir Thor has some decent control of his ability to fly.
Imo, the thing about Thor and Superman is that their power are very close to each other. What they lack in one category, they make up for it on the other.
Superman is stronger, and just as durable. Thor might not has the same strength, but his power like GodBlast, and other trick make up for it. Superman is faster in anything speed related, but Thor does have Magic, or experience.
SO it comes down to people to choose if they thing experience, and magic advantage is better or Speed and slight strength advantage. If anyone wins it will be 6/10, or even a 5.5/10.
I personally thing Superman can win using his speed.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Imo, the thing about Thor and Superman is that their power are very close to each other. What they lack in one category, they make up for it on the other.
Superman is stronger, and just as durable. Thor might not has the same strength, but his power like GodBlast, and other trick make up for it. Superman is faster in anything speed related, but Thor does have Magic, or experience.SO it comes down to people to choose if they thing experience, and magic advantage is better or Speed and slight strength advantage. If anyone wins it will be 6/10, or even a 5.5/10.
I personally thing Superman can win using his speed.
How much stronger is Superman in your opinion than Thor? Just wondering. Is it a very small difference, large etc.? If say, Superman is a 100 in strength, what would Thor be in your opinion?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How much stronger is Superman in your opinion than Thor? Just wondering. Is it a very small difference, large etc.? If say, Superman is a 100 in strength, what would Thor be in your opinion?
Not to jump in, but I think before the current decade, Superman was marginally stronger (not in any major way, but to a degree). Nowadays, I would say they are about even, with Thor able to apply strength in combat just a readily as Supes (though Supes has an advantage of being able to apply his strength in ways that Thor can't readily do, due to the nature of Thor's flying ability, but that normally wouldn't have a bearing in most fights). Superman, Captain Marvel, and Thor are all about the same in strength, with marginal differences that don't make or break in anyone's favor. Just IMO.
EDIT: Of course, that could also be me "looking for the conceptual median-truth of the situation", and I could be wrong. But hey, whatever...
Originally posted by tideoftime
Not to jump in, but I think before the current decade, Superman was marginally stronger (not in any major way, but to a degree). Nowadays, I would say they are about even, with Thor able to apply strength in combat just a readily as Supes (though Supes has an advantage of being able to apply his strength in ways that Thor can't readily do, due to the nature of Thor's flying ability, but that normally wouldn't have a bearing in most fights). Superman, Captain Marvel, and Thor are all about the same in strength, with marginal differences that don't make or break in anyone's favor. Just IMO.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Not how it works. Most of Thor's feats are from the classic "era".
Yeah, I know what you mean. But like my edit above says, I usually try to find the conceptual median-truth in the situation; all of these powerhouse characters have had variable interpretations of their expressed abilities, both high and low, over the decades. Conceptually, while I could easily see an arguement about Superman being measurably stronger, I can also see interpretations of Thor's power manifested through his strength, winning out in some cases.
But hey, it's just comics... 😄
EDIT AGAIN: Using the old DC measuring system, if Superman were a 25, then Thor/Captain Marvel would be straddling at 24, with 25 depending on setting. (And with those statistics, Wonder Woman and Power Girl would have ratings of 23, 23 straddling 24 if CM and Thor are at 25.)
Originally posted by BattleMageThey are all vulnerable against magic. Superman just isn't invulnerable to magic like he is to most normal physical attacks. Being a magic user or having magic powers does not make you immune.
Agreed^^ But i knew someone would factor in speed. what about magic causing team 2 to lose do to superman being the weak link?
Originally posted by BattleMageThen you haven't checked Superman at all. He's shown calculated skills in combat and incorporated his own unique abilities while fighting. Your lack of knowledge regarding a character isn't an excuse to spout non-facts and inconsistencies regarding said character.
CM least skilled? Last i checked superman was not a skilled h2h fighter in any art form other than brawler!
And the wisdom of Solomon does give Marvel access to all knowledge. Some writers show it as general knowledge and some take it a step further. Depends on who's writing.
Supes and Marvel can stalemate Thor long enough for the other to take out WW. Then Thor will be hard pressed against Supes and CM.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman is strong enough to one-hand catch an all-out Thor hammer strike while standing down in a battle where everything was on the line, making Thor shocked by his strength only to be knocked unconscious by Superman's punch moments later.As for the fight, Team 2 wins.
I have to go, but I'll say this first...
When they went blow for blow as I recall, Thor knocked Superman on his ass after they traded punches, for like a page, and was down for the rest of the fight. And he was rocked hard, as I recall his speech bubble had those shaky like lines.
After Thor waded through a doss of heat vision for like a page Superman does knock him out, after barely stopping that hammer strike. And it was made pretty clear, that Busiek wanted to show that heat vision as a factor, as it clearly affected Thor severely.
What that crossover proves?
That Thor and Superman are peers in strength to the point, that if Superman resorts to something like heat vision it will allow him to win. And that's ignoring the fact that DC absolutely refuses to let Superman lose (Heck, as I recall, the original crossover was canceled in part because of Marvel's refusal to let Thor lose was it not?), and that Thor fought like a brick with a lightning show, where as Superman utilized his speed and other powers.
Superman also had an orgasm holding Mjolnir and feeling it's power. As well, according to him Thor was the toughest opponent he had ever fought. It should be noted, that Thor apparently has his measure now or whatever bullshit that was stated. A hint that Thor was holding back as he did not expect to fight someone that strong?
Anyways later.
Originally posted by SpireOh goody goody.
Superman does this.
I guess Thor does this.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_1981_305_18.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/ActionComics779-17-1.jpg
Or WW could do this.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WonderWomanv221920.jpg
Originally posted by xJLxKingAfter he fled the scene provided by his dog. Also after he was given the power of a sun.
^funny Superman KO'ed him in one hit later
Context.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThor also ran through a blast of hv wildly. He was also shocked and dropped his guard. Context.
Superman is strong enough to one-hand catch an all-out Thor hammer strike while standing down in a battle where everything was on the line, making Thor shocked by his strength only to be knocked unconscious by Superman's punch moments later.As for the fight, Team 2 wins.
