Fairy Tail

Stat wise, Laxus had 6s in defense, speed, and offense which is a clear indication of his superiority. Erza may give a good fight, but she'd probably lose in the End. Lets not forget that the reporter most likely doesn't know of Laxus' implanted Lachryma. If Laxus went dragon slayer on her, the gap would be farther, imo.

Still, firepower effectively cut in *half* by Lightning Empress. And the possibility of either Fairy Armor, or her all-magic-into-one-sword-blow attacks, which'd stand a chance of taking him out even if he overall outmatches.

I'd think it'd be like a 7-8 out of 10 fight for Laxus.

Which brings me to how much of a boost did Erza get from Ultear? She wasn't shown do be squirming in pain which to me indicates that she already had some access to her second origin.

I think she's just that badass ^^

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Stat wise, Laxus had 6s in defense, speed, and offense which is a clear indication of his superiority. Erza may give a good fight, but she'd probably lose in the End.

I don't think the fight is that close. I think Laxus would handily defeat her. It won't be a super easy victory, but it won't be very difficult, either.

Also, why did you capitalize "end"? 😆 Seems like a double entendre: naughty naughty. 😈

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think the fight is that close. I think Laxus would handily defeat her. It won't be a super easy victory, but it won't be very difficult, either.

Laxus didn't seem to think so. He didn't dismiss her like he did Natsu, Gray, Gajeel, and everyone else.

Cutting a foe's offense in half is a pretty big advantage.

Originally posted by Q99
Laxus didn't seem to think so.

Scans. Because I don't remember such a strong statement from Laxus.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think the fight is that close. I think Laxus would handily defeat her. It won't be a super easy victory, but it won't be very difficult, either.

Also, why did you capitalize "end"? 😆 Seems like a double entendre: naughty naughty. 😈

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Neither do I, but having a defense for lightning would mean that Laxus would have to get close and personal. He'd have to pummel her into defeat. I dont think that it would be that taxing for Laxus, but lets face it, Erza is one tough cookie and she'd be able to take a lot of punishment before she eventually goes down.

Originally posted by Q99
Laxus didn't seem to think so. He didn't dismiss her like he did Natsu, Gray, Gajeel, and everyone else.

Cutting a foe's offense in half is a pretty big advantage.

He recognized Erza for being above Natsu but he did dismiss Erza as someone who isn't in his league.

Remember that he only considered Mystogun as the only one who is at his level and that the strongest member of Fairy Tail (besides guildarts) was one of them.

And when Mystogun emntioned Erza, Laxus went pffft.. 😛

Originally posted by Q99
Still, firepower effectively cut in *half* by Lightning Empress. And the possibility of either Fairy Armor, or her all-magic-into-one-sword-blow attacks, which'd stand a chance of taking him out even if he overall outmatches.

I'd think it'd be like a 7-8 out of 10 fight for Laxus.

I think she's just that badass ^^

Her fairy armor got busted by Erza Nightwalker's most powerful magic attack, I have no doubt that Laxus can and will do the same. But I have to admit, her no armor all offense dual wielding PIS/CIS/Plot devise mode could potentially beat Laxus.

I'm not dissing on Erza, she's crazy badass but she still has some growing up to do, plus up till the beginning of Fairy Tail, she didn't have much of anything to drive her to be strong, Laxus on the otherhand had some very steep mountains to climb seeing as he wanted to get out of his grandfather's shadow and be his own man. To do so, he'd have to surpass Markarov and that is no easy matter.

"I'll never give Fairy Tail's strongest position to anyone else. Not to Erza, not to Mystogan, not even to that geezer. I'm... the strongest!!!"
— Laxus, chapter 24.

He acknowledges Erza on the list at least. I guess he never does say she'll stand a good chance, but he doesn't say that about anyone really ^^

And when Mystogun emntioned Erza, Laxus went pffft..

That Mystogun thought so certainly doesn't hurt. And Laxus also underestimated Erza's ability to take down the thunderhall or survive, and she did both, so we know he underrates her a bit.

Her fairy armor got busted by Erza Nightwalker's most powerful magic attack, I have no doubt that Laxus can and will do the same.

Yea, but that attack also busted the heck out of Nightwalker and, I will note, the big explosion is bigger than any of Laxus's lightning attacks shown so far.

Also one advantage that doesn't have to do with her strength, he can't use Fairy Law against anyone in the guild because he doesn't consider them a true enemy.

I'm not dissing on Erza, she's crazy badass but she still has some growing up to do, plus up till the beginning of Fairy Tail, she didn't have much of anything to drive her to be strong,

But she has been facing a series of very tough opponents throughout the series (Jose, Ikaruga, Jellal, Midnight, Knightwalker, Azuma), and is strongly driven to protect the rest of the guild.

Plus, she got the magic amp from Ultear.

Hm, reading through Laxus's conversations on the subject, he seems to have mixed feelings on Erza. He'll be the one to bring her up when discussing who's strongest, but then dismiss her the same sentence.

Multiple times

So, ironically, he regularly brings her up as a top-three competitor with him and Mystogun and even talks about her promise, then always follows up by insisting she's not there yet.

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, reading through Laxus's conversations on the subject, he seems to have mixed feelings on Erza. He'll be the one to bring her up when discussing who's strongest, but then dismiss her the same sentence.

Multiple times

So, ironically, he regularly brings her up as a top-three competitor with him and Mystogun and even talks about her promise, then always follows up by insisting she's not there yet.

I see a much clearer reading with 3 interpretations:

1. He clearly thinks he's the strongest by Erza is not in contender for top 2: that's between Laxus (himself) and Mistogun.

2. He is full of himself.

Nowhere does he ever say that Erza would be tough to beat. I believe "weakling" was used.

So back to what I said: Laxus would beat her, but not with lots of ease. He would not have much trouble, though. 🙂

Nowhere does he ever say that Erza would be tough to beat. I believe "weakling" was used.

Still- he brings her up umprompted when talking contenders for the top.

And Mystogun thinks he underrates her, and she pulls off multiple things Laxus thought she couldn't do, so it seems fairly definite that he does underrate her a bit. Which makes sense- he mostly goes off and does his own thing with his team and hasn't seen her fight since the series started, so he wouldn't know if Erza's improved from experience, while Jellal who has an interest in Erza would.

but not with lots of ease. He would not have much trouble, though.

Doesn't 'not with ease' mean there's trouble? And conversely, not have much trouble imply ease? Pick one ^^

Or do you mean, like, 'moderate ease, moderate trouble'?

Erza is an S-class after all. Laxus knows she's strong, but he thinks he stronger. Either its true or Laxus is full of it. But judging from the few showings we have of Laxus, I'm inclined to believe that he is stronger.

If we go by the manga, he's somewhere inbetween Erza and Guildarts. If we go by the anime, Hades was surprised that the brat (Markarov) had another relative who was at Guildart's level.

Laxus may be closer to Guildarts than he is to Erza in terms of strength. If we scale it from a scale of 1-10 wherein 10 is the gap between erza and gulidarts, laxus is probably 6 stronger than erza but 4 weaker than guildarts.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Erza is an S-class after all. Laxus knows she's strong, but he thinks he stronger. Either its true or Laxus is full of it. But judging from the few showings we have of Laxus, I'm inclined to believe that he is stronger.

I do think he is stronger too, just that it's close enough that a fight between them wouldn't be a sure thing, and would be drawn out and epic in any case.

Originally posted by Q99
I do think he is stronger too, just that it's close enough that a fight between them wouldn't be a sure thing, and would be drawn out and epic in any case.

Well, I'd give Erza one sure win if she busts out that one-hit-everything-ive-got-all-out-offense-dual-sword-super-nina-samurai-slash-attack-why-is-she-wearing-bandage-on-her-bust of hers.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Well, I'd give Erza one sure win if she busts out that one-hit-everything-ive-got-all-out-offense-dual-sword-super-nina-samurai-slash-attack-why-is-she-wearing-bandage-on-her-bust of hers.

That does seem to be her best move, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Q99
Still- he brings her up umprompted when talking contenders for the top.

The more obvious reason why would not be that he thinks she is strong enough to beat him or give him trouble: it's because she's a fellow S-Class mage that almost all of the guild members look up to for wisdom/advice. Erza is a great people leader.

Originally posted by Q99
And Mystogun thinks he underrates her, and she pulls off multiple things Laxus thought she couldn't do, so it seems fairly definite that he does underrate her a bit. Which makes sense- he mostly goes off and does his own thing with his team and hasn't seen her fight since the series started, so he wouldn't know if Erza's improved from experience, while Jellal who has an interest in Erza would.

That was before now, however. Erza very well could be better than Laxus. She got a bump, he did not. 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Doesn't 'not with ease' mean there's trouble? And conversely, not have much trouble imply ease? Pick one ^^

No. There's a massive gap between "with ease" and "with trouble."

Originally posted by Q99
Or do you mean, like, 'moderate ease, moderate trouble'?

No. It's 10 out of 10 for Laxus. But it isn't as superficially easy as the 10 out of 10 seems.

But, that's the old system. I can't rule out the bump Erza got. Now, Erza may very well be stronger/faster/better/etc. than Laxus. Laxus didn't get a bump.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That was before now, however. Erza very well could be better than Laxus. She got a bump, he did not. 🙂

But, that's the old system. I can't rule out the bump Erza got. Now, Erza may very well be stronger/faster/better/etc. than Laxus. Laxus didn't get a bump.

I wonder why she didn't squirm in pain like the others...

it would be interesting to see how much of a boost she got.

But laxus is a 2nd generation dragon slayer, his 6s stats are for his usual lightning magic, i'd like to see how Erza will match up with dragon slayer Laxus...

Who knows, maybe Laxus' pops will make an appearance then he'd go traitor or better yet, double agent like Gajeel then he'd have to fight Erza to show his loyalty.

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Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
I wonder why she didn't squirm in pain like the others...

She's used to being in pain, iirc.

However, so is Natsu. Natsu, arguably, has endured the most pain out of any character.

No. It's 10 out of 10 for Laxus. But it isn't as superficially easy as the 10 out of 10 seems.

Eh, she has attacks that can take him out. That makes it not 10 out of 10, even if it'll be hard to pull off.

She's used to being in pain, iirc.

However, so is Natsu. Natsu, arguably, has endured the most pain out of any character.

Well, Erza had to endure torture as a child and lost her eye.

I dunno, I don't think it's a pain thing, she didn't even seem to be uncomfortable. I think it's just some aspect of, y'know, Erzaness ^^

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, she has attacks that can take him out.

But won't succeed 10 out of 10 times.

Originally posted by Q99
That makes it not 10 out of 10, even if it'll be hard to pull off.

No, it's still 10 out of 10 for Laxus.