Originally posted by TheKahn
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I'd like to see how well Cap would do without his bullshit "unbreakable shield" thing and his super-soldier enhancements. He certainly woldn't be wrecking teams or embarrassing MA legends.For that matter lets take away that bs gamma radiation from the Hulk and see how much damage Bruce Banner can do. Or make Superman a regular human and put him into a pit of Singapore dick slugs and see how long he can last.
Good idea.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I was saying that Deathstroke beats most of his opponents not due to skill as much as his enhanced abilities and tactical acuity. Of course he's skilled just not to the same level as Cap or Batman. Cassandra Cain doesn't fear him because he's more skilled she fears him because he's superhuman not to mention vicious.
Judging the "skill" of any two characters is a dubious proposition at best. There is no clear way to measure it and definitions of what is "skill" can vary from person to person. In my mind....
Cap = one of the most capable h2h fighters in his universe = Deathstroke
Originally posted by BattleMage
Captain America and Deathstroke are basically one in the same in there own universe's.
In general concept, yes. That's a better comparison than Batman and Captain America. While they are radically different as *applied* characters, they are conceptually not that different.
Originally posted by tideoftime
In general concept, yes. That's a better comparison than Batman and Captain America. While they are radically different as *applied* characters, they are conceptually not that different.
and buy forum rules Ds still wins, by no means would it be easy. while they are close in terms speed and etc, he is still slightly above cap.
Originally posted by supremthor
skill - DSstrength - Tie = strength of a 100 men http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/895/deathstrokestrength9kq.jpg
hf - DS = http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3869/sladeheal10tw.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2877/sladeheal22kt.jpgDS
prove it
thats not even cannon
Feat he never reproduce, other words un usable. He for a single few issues had an actaul healing factor sinces then he shown utter crap.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Judging the "skill" of any two characters is a dubious proposition at best. There is no clear way to measure it and definitions of what is "skill" can vary from person to person. In my mind....Cap = [b]one of
the most capable h2h fighters in his universe = Deathstroke [/B]
Not really it quite easy to compare the two. Just looks at there feats. Capt crush DS.
DS is not a top Tier MA if he was he woudlent have Batman giving him all hell or NW for that matter. If he was on there skill level he destroy him, but he doesent becuase he not.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really it quite easy to compare the two. Just looks at there feats. Capt crush DS.DS is not a top Tier MA if he was he woudlent have Batman giving him all hell or NW for that matter. If he was on there skill level he destroy him, but he doesent becuase he not.
he has destroyed batman, though.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really it quite easy to compare the two. Just looks at there feats. Capt crush DS.DS is not a top Tier MA if he was he woudlent have Batman giving him all hell or NW for that matter. If he was on there skill level he destroy him, but he doesent becuase he not.
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So if you lose to a top tier MA or job to someone i their solo series, then you're automatically not one yourself?
I think Martial Arts ability gets slightly overrated on this forum. Knowing a great deal of fighting forms does not automatically make you more effective than someone who knows one or two very well. DS has made a career out of taking down metahuman many of which are stronger, faster, and more durable than Cap (and more than once mind you).
To be fair, Cap does have plenty quality feats to his name as well as low showings that tend to be forgotten.
That being said, I'm still going with DS. He as a clear speed and arsenal advantage with comparable strength and durability. I don't think any difference in their fighting ability, as small as it would be, would make enough of a difference.
Originally posted by TheKahn
🤨So if you lose to a top tier MA or job to someone i their solo series, then you're automatically not one yourself?
I think Martial Arts ability gets slightly overrated on this forum. Knowing a great deal of fighting forms does not automatically make you more effective than someone who knows one or two very well. DS has made a career out of taking down metahuman many of which are stronger, faster, and more durable than Cap (and more than once mind you).
To be fair, Cap does have plenty quality feats to his name as well as low showings that tend to be forgotten.
That being said, I'm still going with DS. He as a clear speed and arsenal advantage with comparable strength and durability. I don't think any difference in their fighting ability, as small as it would be, would make enough of a difference.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Karate Kid would like to have a word with you.
I know, as would Gamora. And in those cases exception have to be made as their MA ability is nearly incalculable. But for the majority of fights, and in this one in particular, I don't think whatever difference might exist is enough to determine the outcome.
using the few instances where DS has been given problems by comparable opponents(like NW, bats, GA, etc) doesn't undermine the fact that he routinely, since his initial conception has taken on and beaten teams of heroes......something that no one aforementioned(along with cap) can or has done consistently.
if someone wants to bring up individual matches with grade A peak humans.....why not mention how he completely embarrassed Cassandra Cain......whom is IMO a better fighter than cap and anyone of those peak humans who he has "had problems with"
also......having problems with, but also at the same time thrashing the crap outta batman is no where near a justification for cap standing a chance here.......he dominated him h2h in a way that cap just can't...........there's no argument against that
Originally posted by Battlehammerhe pounded bats mercilessly in the closing moments of that fight......the fact that he was injured is completely irrelevant........there's no way i could even imagine caps doing such a thing to bats with his bare hands
Not really he limb way extremely injuried. Thats not crushing Batman. He also physically superior in every sense.
Originally posted by namorsubby
using the [b]few instances where DS has been given problems by comparable opponents(like NW, bats, GA, etc) doesn't undermine the fact that he routinely, since his initial conception has taken on and beaten teams of heroes......something that no one aforementioned(along with cap) can or has done consistently.if someone wants to bring up individual matches with grade A peak humans.....why not mention how he completely embarrassed Cassandra Cain......whom is IMO a better fighter than cap and anyone of those peak humans who he has "had problems with"
also......having problems with, but also at the same time thrashing the crap outta batman is no where near a justification for cap standing a chance here.......he dominated him h2h in a way that cap just can't...........there's no argument against that [/B]
CC is not better then capt. She also does shitty verse him becuase as stated she can't read his movements, and when she oriignally lost that power batman would not even let her patrol.
Not really DS could barly stand after the fight thats far from dominating.
