also, i dunno what post it was, but Green Arrow isn't in DS' league at all. In their last fight that i can recall, he took on both him AND Black Canary, and had Ollie on his knees begging him not to kill Dinah by the end of it.
It was only the JLA turning up that stopped the fight, and DS STILL escaped.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Except the teams jobs and it obvious. A number of characters take it to teams, but does not mean they should. Yet everytime DS fights them solo he does not fair nearly as well. There more examples of him not doing well vs people solo then taking teams.CC is not better then capt. She also does shitty verse him becuase as stated she can't read his movements, and when she oriignally lost that power batman would not even let her patrol.
Not really DS could barly stand after the fight thats far from dominating.
Once or twice might indicate jobbing, but doing it consistently (even being known for it) is something else, imo.
Originally posted by Battlehammerlol......and what makes you think that?
If Capt fought Batman in h2h he would beat him harder then DS did, assume CIS was not ineffect.
seriously though, cap smashing bats in the fashion slade did is not gonna happen......many like to peg the two as equal(due to them both being described as slighty superhuman), but in reality he is much more comparable to someone like batman than someone like slade
Originally posted by TheKahn
Once or twice might indicate jobbing, but doing it consistently (even being known for it) is something else, imo.
I agree. It's actually one of DS's specialties that he often works better against a group than against individuals (as he can often play each attackers' styles/assaults against others, or in a co-defense manner).
At the end of the fight in question (at the beginning of Deathstroke #8), Slade's arm in pretty banged up, but he can still walk, stand, and even ride a bike fine. He goes on to say that without his enhancements, he wouldn't like to face Batman. I'm inclined to believe that w/o his enhancements, Rogers would be in the same boat. Also, judging from the fight itself, Batman seemed to be exerting himself more so than Slade was, actively trying to bring Slade in where Slade himself would have much rather just went about his way. In the end, Batman is KOed laying under a bookcase where Slade walks away favoring his arm and that's about it. Take that as you will.
It's clear that Cap gets wrecked in second and third scenario
As for the first scenario
DS takes this every time
Cap is peak human.
DS is metahuman.
Cap is far more comparable to Batman than Slade.
DS has downed Donna Troy in a physical fight (no swords or guns) and a gorilla transformed Beast Boy using one hand (I think Cyborg was holding his other hand or something).
Plus he is a consistently portrayed team wrecker.
DS 10/10
Originally posted by namorsubby
cap is not a team beater.......never been pegged as one because he's never done so consistently, period.if you disagree.......provide something to show otherwise......also take into consideration the caliber of the teams cap has taken on and compare them to DS's teams
I mean capt can't be any more inconsistent then a guy who has trouble everytime he versa them solo.
How many times has DS beat a team? How many times did he have one sided prep?
I bet your the kind of person who argues DS hitting flash as legitment speed feat.
Then there some one I know that consistently beat namor, but you refuse to acknolwedge it I find this interesting.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
so you think DS can beat teams really now so if I made a thread you defend slade doing so?I mean capt can't be any more inconsistent then a guy who has trouble everytime he versa them solo.
How many times has DS beat a team? How many times did he have one sided prep?
I bet your the kind of person who argues DS hitting flash as legitment speed feat.
Then there some one I know that consistently beat namor, but you refuse to acknolwedge it I find this interesting.
he does fine without prep too.
he didn't hit flash. he simply guessed where flash would run and stuck his sword out. flash ran in to him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he does fine without prep too.he didn't hit flash. he simply guessed where flash would run and stuck his sword out. flash ran in to him.
Inorder to achieve that you have to be reacting at speed able to percieve a light speed character, and that character with light speed reflexes would then not have the speed to dodge the attack.
He also shot kid flash as well..........with a gun.......which is rediculous
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Inorder to achieve that you have to be reacting at speed able to percieve a light speed character, and that character with light speed reflexes would then not have the speed to dodge the attack.He also shot kid flash as well..........with a gun.......which is rediculous
Not really. He has known Wally for years and fought him numerous times. He simply predicted what type of attack Wally would launch at the start of the fight and acted accordingly to counter.
Had Wally not been so predictable things would have been different.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Not really. He has known Wally for years and fought him numerous times. He simply predicted what type of attack Wally would launch at the start of the fight and acted accordingly to counter.Had Wally not been so predictable things would have been different.
Hell in comics it seems to be vastly harder to hit quick silver then the flashes.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
But even in there first encounter. It has nothing to due with predictability it jobbing. Everyone hits him, hell look at his rouge gallery, so if DS does it, does it really mean he even that fast? Predicting him would not matter becuase wally reflectes are light speed as well, which means he be percieving DS as moving in slow motion vast slow motion, no amount of predicting could overcome that.Hell in comics it seems to be vastly harder to hit quick silver then the flashes.
That's because the Flash(s) are subject to the same whims of the writers as everyone else in comics. You or I may not like it that powers are inconsistently depicted, but its the writers who get to decide what is canon and what is not. And DS being a team wrecker is canon in DC 😬
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Inorder to achieve that you have to be reacting at speed able to percieve a light speed character, and that character with light speed reflexes would then not have the speed to dodge the attack.He also shot kid flash as well..........with a gun.......which is rediculous
actually no. he set up his charges in a way to force wally to run a certain way. if i had his strength, i could have done it if i'd held out a sword before he'd run at me. it wasn't his reflexes that made that feat possible; it was his knowledge of how flash is likely to fight.
kid flash didn't see the attack coming. how is that in any way wrong?