Originally posted by -Pr-
i disagree, considering that those showings directly contradict consistently established character traits.cleared half a forest, satisfied the phoenix's hunger, broken through onslaught's armour after it had been cracked, killed the brood monster, and output more energy than a nuclear reactor.
that's why i asked. various breakworld people could hang with colossus (including ord).
cyclops has tagged people faster than namor, even in the old days.
But they are not isolated going simply by what you're position. If I see Cyclops stating his going all out against say Namor or Hulk back in the day, you cannot expect me to ignore. I don't see why they aren't valid.
Half a forest, a brood monster. How is that even worth mentioning when we are talking about Namor?
I don't recall this so have the scans or issue number? Just saying Phoenix isn't impressive. Thor's one shotted the Phoenix, and Magneto has wrecked Phoenix in the past.
We already know Namor can absorb energy more or less equal to that of a Nuclear Reactor. I even recall him shrugging off a Nuclear Warhead once, but I don't think he was directly at ground zero, but he was pretty damn close.
The Onslaught incident is the most impressive (Barring the Phoenix until I see it.) but I'm pretty sure it was Thor who flew and broke through the armor. Cyclops attacks along with others cracked it enough so they could see Xavier though.
I do recall Cyclops tagging Northstar etc. but then again plenty of people have dodge it. Heck I've seen Magneto do it.
And Namor is pretty damn fast. His blitzed Hercules once to an extent.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But they are not isolated going simply by what you're position. If I see Cyclops stating his going all out against say Namor or Hulk back in the day, you cannot expect me to ignore. I don't see why they aren't valid.Half a forest, a brood monster. How is that even worth mentioning when we are talking about Namor?
I don't recall this so have the scans or issue number? Just saying Phoenix isn't impressive. Thor's one shotted the Phoenix, and Magneto has wrecked Phoenix in the past.
We already know Namor can absorb energy more or less equal to that of a Nuclear Reactor. I even recall him shrugging off a Nuclear Warhead once, but I don't think he was directly at ground zero, but he was pretty damn close.
The Onslaught incident is the most impressive (Barring the Phoenix until I see it.) but I'm pretty sure it was Thor who flew and broke through the armor. Cyclops attacks along with others cracked it enough so they could see Xavier though.
I do recall Cyclops tagging Northstar etc. but then again plenty of people have dodge it. Heck I've seen Magneto do it.
And Namor is pretty damn fast. His blitzed Hercules once to an extent.
because they're contradicted by more recent (and more consistent)showings. do you have any of the scans?
we're talking about veritable blinks.
issue numbers for which? the phoenix was in phoenix endsong.
how is satisfying the phoenix's infinite hunger not impressive? we're talking about a fully powered phoenix here, too.
his blast was continous. so it's not just a once off explosion. we're talking constant pressure if he keeps his eyes open.
its been a while since i read it, but iirc nate and joseph cracked it, then cyclops made a hole that thor made larger.
he's also tagged pietro.
i know namor is fast. i'm not disputing that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
because they're contradicted by more recent (and more consistent)showings. do you have any of the scans?we're talking about veritable blinks.
issue numbers for which? the phoenix was in phoenix endsong.
how is satisfying the phoenix's infinite hunger not impressive? we're talking about a fully powered phoenix here, too.
his blast was continous. so it's not just a once off explosion. we're talking constant pressure if he keeps his eyes open.
its been a while since i read it, but iirc nate and joseph cracked it, then cyclops made a hole that thor made larger.
he's also tagged pietro.
i know namor is fast. i'm not disputing that.
The first incident happened in X-men #6. I don't know the issue of the second incident.
Seeing as how he has no control of his power with his visor off, and his blast is nearly omnidirectional the first incident doesn't impress me. The second incident is a much more impressive showing off control than it is of power output in my opinion. Incinerating half a brood monster is nothing impressive. At all.
Okay. The Phoenix Endsong incident was in the mini where they trapped the Phoenix in some sort of cage etc.? I don't recall it being full powered. A full powered Phoenix being the Cosmic Entity Phoenix. And I recall him blasting into the container, ricocheting or something along those lines. Got any scans? I can look it up but I'm not on my pc so it will take a moment. My pc is wacky recently.
I'm pretty sure there combined attacks made a crack so you could see Xavier's head. Thor then flew in through Onslaught.
Pietro I recall back in the day.
Never said you were.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The first incident happened in X-men #6. I don't know the issue of the second incident.Seeing as how he has no control of his power with his visor off, and his blast is nearly omnidirectional the first incident doesn't impress me. The second incident is a much more impressive showing off control than it is of power output in my opinion. Incinerating half a brood monster is nothing impressive. At all.
Okay. The Phoenix Endsong incident was in the mini where they trapped the Phoenix in some sort of cage etc.? I don't recall it being full powered. A full powered Phoenix being the Cosmic Entity Phoenix. And I recall him blasting into the container, ricocheting or something along those lines. Got any scans? I can look it up but I'm not on my pc so it will take a moment. My pc is wacky recently.
I'm pretty sure there combined attacks made a crack so you could see Xavier's head. Thor then flew in through Onslaught.
Pietro I recall back in the day.
Never said you were.
ill have a look shortly.
he has control of his power with his visor off. he simply can't turn it off. he can adjust the width, height and strength of the beam as much as he likes.
its on my hard drive. might take a few mins. and no. it was emma possessed by the phoenix.
it was cracked before cyclops shot it. cyclops broke through, and then thor made the hole larger, iirc.
good. uhuh
i remember when he tagged quicksilver.......pietro dodged him a million times.....and he got him with an extremely lucky shot......i remember cyke saying something about "being blind as a bat" when he made it.
besides that, namor can fly at around the speed he runs, the speed of sound........if pietro can dodge him on the ground, namor can in flight
Originally posted by -Pr-
ill have a look shortly.he has control of his power with his visor off. he simply can't turn it off. he can adjust the width, height and strength of the beam as much as he likes.
its on my hard drive. might take a few mins. and no. it was emma possessed by the phoenix.
it was cracked before cyclops shot it. cyclops broke through, and then thor made the hole larger, iirc.
good. uhuh
Cool.
Well that's true, as he can squint his eyes etc. I just meant in terms of intensity. He can't control how much power comes out of his eyes. Doesn't really matter how narrow or wide the beam is.
I just logged into my PC.
Apparently the Phoenix was really weakened and it needed Cyclops optic energy to survive. Once Emma became the host, they were dropped in the Beast's egg where they were in a perfect equilibrium. Apparently Cyclops eyes were releasing what seemed to be an unlimited amount of energy that satisfied the Phoenix in Emma's body unlimited hunger. Unfortunately though, the Phoenix started burning Emma out apparently. From what I understand, the egg prevented any energy from escaping, so everything was in a constant cycle. None of Cyclops' energy would escape so it would be a perfect cycle until they died.
No, Cyclop's didn't break through from what I recall. He combined with their other blasts did enough damage, that the armor cracked and you could see Xavier's face. Thor then flew in and broke through.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cool.Well that's true, as he can squint his eyes etc. I just meant in terms of intensity. He can't control how much power comes out of his eyes. Doesn't really matter how narrow or wide the beam is.
I just logged into my PC.
Apparently the Phoenix was really weakened and it needed Cyclops optic energy to survive. Once Emma became the host, they were dropped in the Beast's egg where they were in a perfect equilibrium. Apparently Cyclops eyes were releasing what seemed to be an unlimited amount of energy that satisfied the Phoenix in Emma's body unlimited hunger. Unfortunately though, the Phoenix started burning Emma out apparently. From what I understand, the egg prevented any energy from escaping, so everything was in a constant cycle. None of Cyclops' energy would escape so it would be a perfect cycle until they died.
No, Cyclop's didn't break through from what I recall. He combined with their other blasts did enough damage, that the armor cracked and you could see Xavier's face. Thor then flew in and broke through.
he can. he can control the intensity of the blast psionically. he just can't shut it off all the way.
i don't think it needed the energy to survive. it had a hunger that it needed satisfied, and scott provided it.
if you could see xavier's face, that would be more than a crack. that would be a hole 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
he can. he can control the intensity of the blast psionically. he just can't shut it off all the way.i don't think it needed the energy to survive. it had a hunger that it needed satisfied, and scott provided it.
if you could see xavier's face, that would be more than a crack. that would be a hole 😛
I always thought Cyclops entire shtick was that if he takes off his visor he can't control the intensity of his attack. Well whatever.
I'm pretty sure that it needed the optic energy because it was extremely weak, but more than that it just wanted Scott because that's what Jean wanted. At least that's how I understood it.
Well as I recall from the angle Xavier's face was right at the edge of the armor so it was akin to a crack. I think it was even stated that the armor was cracked/breached. A hole would indicate something deep.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I always thought Cyclops entire shtick was that if he takes off his visor he can't control the intensity of his attack. Well whatever.I'm pretty sure that it needed the optic energy because it was extremely weak, but more than that it just wanted Scott because that's what Jean wanted. At least that's how I understood it.
Well as I recall from the angle Xavier's face was right at the edge of the armor so it was akin to a crack. I think it was even stated that the armor was cracked/breached. A hole would indicate something deep.
it's that he can't turn it off. 😛
maybe. it's been a while since i read it.
only if the armour itself was incredibly thick, i think.
so you honestly think namor could tank a full on cyclops blast?
Sorry random question - Anyone ever read that X-Man unlimited like 1 or 2 when cyke is in the tundra with prof x and a mentally shattered storm? He was using his beams through this ribbon and not only that he appeared to be sodring something together in the ship to fix it... like huh? How can that happen?
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's that he can't turn it off. 😛maybe. it's been a while since i read it.
only if the armour itself was incredibly thick, i think.
so you honestly think namor could tank a full on cyclops blast?
Cool.
Cool.
Well Onslaught was drawn weird. His upper body seemed big but his torso wasn't proportionally as thick.
Unless they've had an encounter where Cyclops harms him I really don't see why not. Especially since recently Green Scar tanked his attack full on and was unharmed except a few scratches and a hair cut. Namor tanking Cyclops attacks in the past simply supports my stance more.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cool.Cool.
Well Onslaught was drawn weird. His upper body seemed big but his torso wasn't proportionally as thick.
Unless they've had an encounter where Cyclops harms him I really don't see why not. Especially since recently Green Scar tanked his attack full on and was unharmed except a few scratches and a hair cut. Namor tanking Cyclops attacks in the past simply supports my stance more.
by green scar you don't mean wwh, do you?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pretty much. Why?
it wasn't a full power blast. pak was high.
i don't care what cyclops said. he isn't actually capable of doing full power blasts with his visor on. he hasn't been since onslaught, when they finally realised that the slit in his visor isn't big enough to allow enough energy through to constitute a high/max powered blast.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it wasn't a full power blast. pak was high.i don't care what cyclops said. he isn't actually capable of doing full power blasts with his visor on. he hasn't been since onslaught, when they finally realised that the slit in his visor isn't big enough to allow enough energy through to constitute a high/max powered blast.
He said he was going full power.....
It wasn't written by Pak.
Really? I just thought that the visor simply prevented the blast from being as wide as it would be without it and that if he let loose the blast would simply be concentrated.
Well at the very least it should constitute as a blast close enough to full power so that it's safe to say, Cyclops can do jack shit to World War Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He said he was going full power.....It wasn't written by Pak.
Really? I just thought that the visor simply prevented the blast from being as wide as it would be without it and that if he let loose the blast would simply be concentrated.
Well at the very least it should constitute as a blast close enough to full power so that it's safe to say, Cyclops can do jack shit to World War Hulk.
sorry, not pak. whoever it was.
and yes, he said it, which just makes it writer error, as it's contradicted by more consistent showings.
the visor's slit is simply not large enough to allow a blast as high and wide as his full power one is to escape. the inside is lined with ruby quartz to reflect/absorb any blast he fires. yes it focuses the blast, but only what part of the blast actually escapes the visor.
no, it shouldn't, tbh. no offence, and i'm not saying that he can take wwh, but cyclops has shown over the years that he can't really replicate the destructive force with his visor on that he can when it's not.
Originally posted by -Pr-
sorry, not pak. whoever it was.and yes, he said it, which just makes it writer error, as it's contradicted by more consistent showings.
the visor's slit is simply not large enough to allow a blast as high and wide as his full power one is to escape. the inside is lined with ruby quartz to reflect/absorb any blast he fires. yes it focuses the blast, but only what part of the blast actually escapes the visor.
no, it shouldn't, tbh. no offence, and i'm not saying that he can take wwh, but cyclops has shown over the years that he can't really replicate the destructive force with his visor on that he can when it's not.
Well, in any case it was pretty clear that what it was intended to show that Cyclops can't do jack shit to Green Scar.