Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've only seen Namor take Cyclop's Optic Beams twice and each time he has shrugged them off without being hurt. Once I believe it was stated Cyclops was giving it his all if I recall correctly.Unless they've had another encounter, based on what I recall, Namor beats his face in 10/10.
Especially if you take into account his speed, and ability to absorb and redirect energy. He once absorbed the energy equivalent to a nuclear warhead I believe in a fight with Presence.
when was that? cyclops use to say he was using full power a lot. he honestly seemed to just not know how powerful he was back then. i don't see namor tanking the oml blast or the one from AXM 33, especially considering cyclops can just pour it on continuously.
also, cyclops' blasts have been said to output more power than a nuclear reactor.
dunno if a missile has more than a reactor though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Raoul just jizzed.
if it were possible, i probably would have.
Is is by no means disrespect for cyclops... But do you who think cyclops pulls majority thinks his best blasts are equal to blows from
hulk, shaw, war machine , surfer, iron man, Thor, Hercules, doom ... Etc?
Namor has stood up to those attacks in or near water... And gone on to usually stalemate his opponents or possibly even beat them...
Because to say namor gets one shot if he's fresh out of water is like saying you think cyclops bests blasts are better than 100 tonner hitting strength?
Originally posted by rotiart
Is is by no means disrespect for cyclops... But do you who think cyclops pulls majority thinks his best blasts are equal to blows from
hulk, shaw, war machine , surfer, iron man, Thor, Hercules, doom ... Etc?Namor has stood up to those attacks in or near water... And gone on to usually stalemate his opponents or possibly even beat them...
Because to say namor gets one shot if he's fresh out of water is like saying you think cyclops bests blasts are better than 100 tonner hitting strength?
they should be about even, tbh, if not higher.
Originally posted by rotiart
cyclops krakoa breaker = 100 tonner punch?
cyclops krakoa breaker > 100 tonner punch?
cyclops krakoa breaker < 100 tonner punch?who is higher than whom?
hmm
There is a significant difference between the two isn't there? Assuming the total force is even, a 100 ton punch would be like getting hit in the hand with a hammer - while Cyclops' blast would be like getting your hand crushed in a vice. Its a temporary force vs a constant one (assuming Cyke keeps his eyes open that is).
Originally posted by TheKahn
hmmThere is a significant difference between the two isn't there? Assuming the total force is even, a 100 ton punch would be like getting hit in the hand with a hammer - while Cyclops' blast would be like getting your hand crushed in a vice. Its a temporary force vs a constant one (assuming Cyke keeps his eyes open that is).
See here's the issue... Will it destroy namor or just pummel him backwards after you take into account durability and hf...
And the krakoa island and forest clearing feats while impressive as area attacks... Don't tell us much as to the durability of the recipient....
And cyclops is a solar battery... How much charge does something like that take out of him... Cyclops isn't usually shown firing anytime soon after his massive blasts usually..
If that's a one time shot... And it doesn't down namor it's over for Scott..
If he has enough juice to blast the sky... He's still dealing with guy that wa holding onto human torch While he was over heating to easily melt through rock nearby....
Also namor has outrun fighterplanes in flight speed before which pits him at over 300mph flight speed... What's to say he can't dodge a good portion of the blast...
Look... I'm comparing namor to colossus durability wise... How ha cyclops fared at durable opponents... He has slowed juggs and omega red...
It's just difficult to gauge.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Juggernaut is a horrible example since Scott's strongest blast, Namor's strongest punch and Colossus' strongest punch combined wouldn't do anything to him.Omega Red would get pummeled by that blast.
Yah I know. but i couldn't think of a better example of durability off the top of my head where cyclops looks like he's trying to go all out.
as far as I'm seeing from the conversation going on here:
A. It is pretty much being argued whether or not Cyke's strongest Blast will take out namor......no real definite majority decision there.
......but we must remember:
B. There is absolutely no question as to what Namor's strongest Punch would do to scott.....or even something considerably less than his strongest.
also, I'm pretty sure namor could evade cyke at least a few times........and in flight his speed has proven too fast for wolvie to react to multiple times........if Namor charges in flight from the get-go, this fight could be over quickly, seeing as scott has no healing factor or super-human reaction time.
i also wanna say......besides just a few showings......cyke's beams are no higher than a mid-teir attack......and not sufficient to bring down big-hitting 100 tonners like namor.....whom is amongst those(like hulk,thor,etc) who have proven able to lift/withstand much more than a regular 100 class characters
Originally posted by rotiart
And cyclops is a solar battery... How much charge does something like that take out of him... Cyclops isn't usually shown firing anytime soon after his massive blasts usually..
the sunlight only powers the dimensional gateway in his eyes. it doesn't take THAT much out of him.
and he's not shown firing because when he uses his uber blast, there's rarely anyone else to shoot once he's done firing.
Originally posted by namorsubby
as far as I'm seeing from the conversation going on here:A. It is pretty much being argued whether or not Cyke's strongest Blast will take out namor......no real definite majority decision there.
......but we must remember:
B. There is absolutely no question as to what Namor's strongest Punch would do to scott.....or even something considerably less than his strongest.
also, I'm pretty sure namor could evade cyke at least a few times........and in flight his speed has proven too fast for wolvie to react to multiple times........if Namor charges in flight from the get-go, this fight could be over quickly, seeing as scott has no healing factor or super-human reaction time.
i also wanna say......besides just a few showings......cyke's beams are no higher than a mid-teir attack......and not sufficient to bring down big-hitting 100 tonners like namor.....whom is amongst those(like hulk,thor,etc) who have proven able to lift/withstand much more than a regular 100 class characters
average level blasts from cyclops have been sufficient enough to destroy sentinels. aren't they around the 60 ton mark?
I'M interested in seeing what happens with the void in cyclops mind...
It's usually the case that heroes don't know the full potential or hold back a bit of power... But when the darkness overwhelms them they are shown things about their powers they never though of:
invis woman as malice
Emma frost in icemans mind
I wanna see Scott crack the moon... :-)