Originally posted by Hell Lancer
its because you've GOT nothing to say besides unproven, exaggerated fanboy claims that have been busted long ago along with the lokness monster and big foot.
It's a real shame that your side of the argument offers nothing but jack and shit besides vague halucinations for Kazuya.
I am not one for people jumping in out of nowhere and offering nothing but one dude wins over the other, but lets be fair... In terms of actual demonstrated capability, Kazuya has no actual feats to even come close to Akuma's in the long run.
Hallucination based on what? What was said about Kazuya that wasn't accurate?
Hardly anything (arguments, stated facts that are not from makers) is completely confirmed when it comes to character showings in fiction but I'll be specific with Akuma today, and there will be some speculation to come to desirable or logical ends (read the latest post in SF vs MK to see what I mean). This is true with Kazuya and Akuma's case. Most if not all of Akuma's doings, involved speculation to create the image of him in the minds of some KMC members. Some see him as an "island sinker" (most common image) even when, some speculation was thrown in to justify this portrayal of Akuma. I've yet to see people do this with Kazuya, on the other hand. No one knows about the character because no one goes around saying as much as a bit of relative information..
Yes...there was a claim saying Kazuya vanished the Mishima Zaibatsu in the sense he blinked it. That kind of speculation is the same, since "vanished" can imply absolute destruction, blinking out, etc. It all comes down to how one wants to see it. Devil's power in the T4 ending of Kazuya (same whole Devil in T2) arguably eradicated the Mishima Zaibatsu and the area around it as stated (in the game). This isn't canon but is a what-if situation where Kazuya became full (like before...so prime Kazuya is from Tekken 2). Instead of mentioning the word sock as it has nothing to do with the discussion, why not explain in your own words the meaning of "that day, the Mishima Zaibatsu compound and the area surrounding it vanished without a trace" so we can increase our knowledge of possible explanations for this statement? Since my guess isn't absolute, neither is what people concluded based on Ryu's ending with Akuma in it. All that is known from that is Akuma punched the island, and in a matter of time it crumbled (crumbling animation in the sea with Ryu). That could've been Akuma's strength or ki that did it, and/or the demolition was due to a chain reaction (which would then mean it wasn't fully Akuma's fault for the vanishing of the island from where it was). How informative do you think one should expect a 90's ending of a video game to be anyway? Though that doesn't mean much I guess.
Anyway here's Kuma's T5 prologue another time showing the Zaibatsu half-way through...if anyone is interested in seeing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHgSHKV6oFo
Well the fact that Devil Kaz never actually "Vanished" anything, the deplorable number of times people reffer to the crumbling glass event in the arcade intro of Tekken 6 (Which by the way was probably nothing more than eye candy, since the actual story introductions never refference this, and in fact Kazuya and Jin have never met bitween Tekkens 5 and 6 to actually do this event seems to skip over most peoples perceptions and simply state 'But he can!"😉
It's a real shame that your side of the argument offers nothing but jack and shit besides vague halucinations for Kazuya.
I am not one for people jumping in out of nowhere and offering nothing but one dude wins over the other, but lets be fair... In terms of actual demonstrated capability, Kazuya has no actual feats to even come close to Akuma's in the long run.
the bullet shattering effect is from the intro. deal with it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Well the fact that Devil Kaz never actually "Vanished" anything, the deplorable number of times people reffer to the crumbling glass event in the arcade intro of Tekken 6 (Which by the way was probably nothing more than eye candy, since the actual story introductions never refference this, and in fact Kazuya and Jin have never met bitween Tekkens 5 and 6 to actually do this event seems to skip over most peoples perceptions and simply state 'But he can!"😉
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
kaz could survive that massive trench fall at the age of 8 then its LOGICAL to assume that his damage soak has only gotten higher than that now
....unless THERE IS! DUHN DUHN DUUUHN!!!
No really, there's not. Stop making me do that.
Quoted thanks to StyleTime (who's been gone from here for God knows how long) doing the same and hence rendering my ignore list useless. haermm
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSort of like many ridden Street Fighter feats that never happened but only in comics and movies. I've mentioned "proven capability" and this is all in the last post as well as on the first page you didn't attempt to refute. Saying nothing was vanished and/or Kazuya didn't do it is no different that arguing the same for Akuma and the island, as anyone can say "it doesn't say Akuma did it (since it doesn't, that being the narrator)" and all that is shown to justify this is one, shitty still-image of Akuma's fist on the ground. Why not use logic and say Akuma destroyed his island (which is of speculated size) and Kazuya, if he were to complete his goal and enact revenge on the Zaibatsu (since he's been an enemy of it ever since) caused the Zaibatsu (which is also, of speculated size and has a picture of it just like the island does from far away. Watch Kuma's T5 prologue if you haven't.) to "vanish without a trace" once becoming full as before, hence this is a power level previously achieved. Because a Tekken character cannot rival Akuma, I forgot.
Well the fact that Devil Kaz never actually "Vanished" anything,
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWhat did we say before? You want to bring up how many showings in SF that aren't canon but people like you use in their arguments? And this coming from the guy who's telling people to look for proof of Capcom's supposed statement of "the animes have accurate portrayals of character showings", please. If they are by the makers themselves, it's a little stupid to say they didn't portray their characters accurately. Yes, I am talking about non-canon endings. I thought this was a dead discussion.
the deplorable number of times people reffer to the crumbling glass event in the arcade intro of Tekken 6 (Which by the way was probably nothing more than eye candy, since the actual story introductions never refference this, and in fact Kazuya and Jin have never met bitween Tekkens 5 and 6 to actually do this event seems to skip over most peoples perceptions and simply state 'But he can!"😉
I never made anything personal HellLancer.
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Sort of like many ridden Street Fighter feats that never happened but only in comics and movies. I've mentioned "proven capability" and this is all in the last post as well as on the first page you didn't attempt to refute. Saying nothing was vanished and/or Kazuya didn't do it is no different that arguing the same for Akuma and the island, as anyone can say "it doesn't say Akuma did it (since it doesn't, that being the narrator)" and all that is shown to justify this is one, shitty still-image of Akuma's fist on the ground. Why not use logic and say Akuma destroyed his island (which is of speculated size) and Kazuya, if he were to complete his goal and enact revenge on the Zaibatsu (since he's been an enemy of it ever since) caused the Zaibatsu (which is also, of speculated size and has a picture of it just like the island does from far away. Watch Kuma's T5 prologue if you haven't.) to "vanish without a trace" once becoming full as before, hence this is a power level previously achieved. Because a Tekken character cannot rival Akuma, I forgot.What did we say before? You want to bring up how many showings in SF that aren't canon but people like you use in their arguments? And this coming from the guy who's telling people to look for proof of Capcom's supposed statement of "the animes have accurate portrayals of character showings", please. If they are by the makers themselves, it's a little stupid to say they didn't portray their characters accurately. Yes, I am talking about non-canon endings. I thought this was a dead discussion.
Name one time I have used a non-canon instance to rpove a point. Every time I mention anything non-canon, I specifically mark it as so. AND, If I do mention anything like that, it is because the creators SPECIFICLLY state that that is what the character is capable of, I don't run around making vague assumptions to the effect of "If they made it in an intro, then it's possable!" No... Creative lisence renders this kind of statement relatively null and void.
Events like Nightmare's army slaying is an exeption because he does this all the time. As for the Anime's and the Comics for Capcom, I only stated that stuff because it was confirmed, I hardly ever use it myself, thats like using CVS or MVC stuff.
Darkstorm Zero: we have no reason to suspect the intro because its from the intro, and everything in the intro of tekken has always been canon (from T1 all the way to T5). no reason to suspect otherwise.
and if ANY of you have reasons to doubt it: take Hwoarang's prologue which talks about how he was blasted away with just the release of power when Jin turned to Devil. now as we all know, devil powers is something accessable with or without morphing because its in their blood, its their genetic code.
problem solved.
...But we see Jin transformed. That wasn't a good example, Hellsing.
You should've used when Jin confronted Azazel. He brought out the Devil Gene without even having to have some kind of tattoo on his forehead. That's when he used the gene without transforming.
As for the intro, it is the Bloodline Rebellion intro. No reason to think it's not canon. That's like saying because we don't see Asuka on her bike anywhere in prologues or "in the game", then it's "eye candy" in the T5 intro. Quite stupid logic actually.
Bloodline Rebellion was also not eye candy. It is the BR intro in the openings gallery of Tekken 6. Tekken 6 has:
-Tekken 6 Opening Movie
-Tekken 6 Arcade Version Opening Movie
-Tekken 6 BR Opening Movie
-Scenario Campaign Opening Movie
But, only the 3rd one isn't canon because it has a feat signifying some degree of threat to the SF verse. 😆
he's being a fanboy. we give him proof from the INTRO of the game and he's talking about it being non-canon een though every opening of tekken has ALWAYS been canonical and we have yet to come across any statement by Namco that says that the videos they show are not canonical. he insists its not canon but insists that the island busting is a feat even though we know 1) how shaky the translation is 2) how badly Capcom of USA tends to phuck things up in translations 3) how there is no concrete evidence of the size of the island
PS. up yours Fawh-whatever, i'm not reading your huge as PM's