Kazuya vS Akuma

He's going to say they never met in between, but evidence is present and against him (I'd say as usual) since the introductions are there.

- Arguing the intro isn't canon is saying Bloodline Rebellion isn't canon. This is no different than when someone argues Dark Resurrection isn't. They practically serve the same purpose - adding new characters and facts to the storyline. This is not the same as Tekken Tag which plays no major plot purpose IIRC. What I will say though is it's wierd that in Tekken 5, we see Heihachi get up from the grave in the morning during his interludes with Raven, but in the Dark Resurrection intro we see him rising at night...so this could be an edit of facts, or Heihachi took a nap again and rose one night again, I'm not sure. Even still, BR is after Tekken 6, and none of the introductions contradict one another to even begin considering to say something they show isn't canon.

- If it's eye candy and something Namco used as a prototype or tossed in the bin, why is it on all copies of the game in the opening movie gallery? Showing 4 different intros which are...you guessed it. All canon (someone care to tell me when an intro to a game let alone a fighting game wasn't canon? 😆) Why don't we all also just say the scenario campaign intro was "eye candy" as well? Seeing as it's never "referred" to in cutscenes and prologues? The reason that's obvious is, never has Tekken had a non-canon intro, IIRC, so to say that all of a sudden there's one now, and using an idiotic reason like "that event isn't referred to in prologues" is no different than arguing half of the Tekken 5 intro is "eye candy" because Tekken 5 cutscenes/prologues don't mention half the shit that showed up in the intro.

All of this talk seems senseless since one would think in an intro Namco probably spent a good month or two on, the hard-working designer isn't going to point at the moment Jin and Kazuya shatter the glass and scream: "No they can't do that!" 😆

And it's FWahMaN 🙁

Akuma FTW!!! 'Specially if your a school bus.

http://schoolbuses.ytmnd.com/

Pretty big and dirty words coming from a sock Lancer

The Intro's always been Canon? Right, because Heihachi's face silluettes those machines that become the Tekken Logo right? GTFO.

And the endings are canon because they are nessisary for the story to progress, plus have been cited, give me one refference that cites that event ever actually happening within the story and you might have me at a disadvantage. Until you have this, then please go and stroke yourself to Tekken porn in private rather than in my face. You made this personal just now.

The only two in that list that are official FWah, are the first and last ones, because they actually contain events within the continuity, Where did Kazuya and Jin clash before the events of T6 but after T5? Within the canon, they didn't... This is all the proof I require until you can cite me something with more story orientated material than a fuggin intro.

Pretty big and dirty words coming from a sock Lancer

The Intro's always been Canon? Right, because Heihachi's face silluettes those machines that become the Tekken Logo right? GTFO.

Tekken3:
jin getting that devil signet=canon
heiachi finding the ruins=canon
eddy breaking from jail=canon
hwoarang leading jin away=canon
nina waking up=canon
xiao fighting=canon

tekken4:
EVERYTHING was canon

tekken5:
hachi/kaz fighting and explosion=canon
jin going apeshit in the forest=canon
feng training and killing his master=canon
king and marduk fighitng=canon
hwoa and steve fighting=probably canon
jinpachi waking up=canon

tekken5DR:
pretty much the same

Fail.

and all of a sudden we have to doubt this tekken because YOU think it shouldn't be canon? *in best terry bogard imitation* GET SERIOUS!

very few endings in Tekken4 and Tekken5 were actually canon. off the top of my head: bryan, yoshi, asuka, kazuya, heihachi, feng, paul, steve (iirc), christie, jinpachi, lee, etc etc

FAIL.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
wtf? now you can read people's mind too? 🙄

You've signed off as Sado more than once... don't try and be a smartass, especially whn your talking about stuff that was said 2 to 3 years old.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
tekken2:
kaz standing in the tower as ruler=canon
heihachi climbing out of ravine=canon
michelle finding her house ravaged and mom missing=canon
paul driving around=obviously canon cuz he's a biker
yoshi checking out his mechanic arm=canon
Jack finding jane=canon
king bumming around and rescued by Aking=canon

#1: Kaz in the tower was corroborated

#2: Again it had to happen otherwise he wouldn't be there.

#3: That had to happen or michelle wouldn't be in it.

#4: ....... Pointless plug for Paul

#5: Again pointless plug it offers nothing, and like Pauls, is uncorroborated

#6: By the end of Tekken 1 Jack & Jane where already together, uncorroborated

#7: Again, unnessisary.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Tekken3:
jin getting that devil signet=canon
heiachi finding the ruins=canon
eddy breaking from jail=canon
hwoarang leading jin away=canon
nina waking up=canon
xiao fighting=canon

#1: Uncorroborated, and vague beyond beleif

#2: Corroborated, so yes

#3:Corroborated

#4: Uncorroborated, since when did Ho'Rang lead jin anywhere?

#5: Corroborated

#6: Completely unsubstaniated, uncorroborated.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
tekken4:
EVERYTHING was canon

Granted, since it actually gets corroboration in the game, this is one of the few intros I would consider nessisary, along with a sizable portion of the original T5 intro.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
tekken5:
hachi/kaz fighting and explosion=canon
jin going apeshit in the forest=canon
feng training and killing his master=canon
king and marduk fighitng=canon
hwoa and steve fighting=probably canon
jinpachi waking up=canon

#1: yes, because it's supported

#2: Again, it gets some corroboration in Jins intro

#3: Yes, it serves to intoduce Feng, confirmed.

#4: Uncorroborated, since there's no telling when they actually fought in the story.

#5: And right here is a weak assed assumption on your part.

#6: Possibly, However, you either take this one, or the DR one.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
tekken5DR:
pretty much the same

Fail.

and all of a sudden we have to doubt this tekken because YOU think it shouldn't be canon? *in best terry bogard imitation* GET SERIOUS!

No dude, as you've seen, I can pick apart your intro's by scene and I can tell you that in a lot of cases, they don't match storyline structure. You completely failed to answer my question earlier; WHERE bitween tekkens 5 and 6 did Jin and Kazuya fight? Prove that or GTFO.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
very few endings in Tekken4 and Tekken5 were actually canon. off the top of my head: bryan, yoshi, asuka, kazuya, heihachi, feng, paul, steve (iirc), christie, jinpachi, lee, etc etc

FAIL.

You unbeleivable ijit! I said that in response to your attacking the use of SFer endings! 😉

You've signed off as Sado more than once... don't try and be a smartass, especially whn your talking about stuff that was said 2 to 3 years old.

#1: Kaz in the tower was corroborated
#2: Again it had to happen otherwise he wouldn't be there.
#3: That had to happen or michelle wouldn't be in it.
#4: ....... Pointless plug for Paul
#5: Again pointless plug it offers nothing, and like Pauls, is uncorroborated
#6: By the end of Tekken 1 Jack & Jane where already together, uncorroborated
#7: Again, unnessisary.

look at all these intros and tell me ONE that couldnt' have possibly happaned. and as for Jack's ending, wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXJxTIRbXUw
jack met jane prior to the events of Tekken2.

Marduk and King fought in T4 AND T5 because that's why they became friends in T6. read their prologues, genius, they fought to a stalemate and began to respect one another. and hence, they obviously fought which was already shown in the intro. FAIL.

where did Jin/Kaz fight prior to T5 and T6? *facepalm*
the entire point of all this is that intros never show anything that didn't happen either before the tourny or during it. stop acting like a moron, dude.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
where did Jin/Kaz fight prior to T5 and T6? *facepalm*
the entire point of all this is that intros never show anything that didn't happen either before the tourny or during it. stop acting like a moron, dude.

READ WHAT I SAY!!!!
When did they fight bitween tekkens 5 and 6.

answer this and stop acting like a douchebag, or GTFO.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You've signed off as Sado more than once... don't try and be a smartass, especially whn your talking about stuff that was said 2 to 3 years old.

darkstorm....when did King and Marduk fight between T4 and T5?

It's amusing when calling out one or two people's bs (which states their assumptions based on official info are right, and all other similar guesses are incorrect) the one being called out resorts to accusing the other poster of being a sock (one reason is to steer the discussion away from its intended purpose, since he or they already have acknowledged defeat), for the main purpose of hopefully getting the other poster banned, so he/they can roam the boards, freely spouting their bs for others to listen to and accept.

Ironic is the fact someone's arguing T6BR's intro's canonicity and saying it not being canon means whatever was in it is not possible, while he would argue Chun Li's Alpha 3 ending, which is not canon (since IIRC, Ryu's is and both cannot be as far as the events and diaologue of both endings on vgmuseum, meaning they both could not have happened) proves M. Bison "can" demolish a capital/city, despite that he miserably fails in Chun's ending. So to recap, a noncanonical intro depicts lies, but a noncanonical SF ending doesn't because it's...SF. Right...

😆

Actaully, Bison fires the city vapin' beam in the Crimson Viper SFIV After Math Trailer as well. We don't have to go by Alpha 3 anymore. How much do you really know about SF? Just a question, I feel like I've met you before FWahMaN...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
darkstorm....when did King and Marduk fight between T4 and T5?

That wasn't the question I asked... You have failed on 3 occasions to answer a simple question, You have failed to provide any sort of adequate evidence.

You are no longer worth talking to.

As for you FWah, I have never used that argument, don't try that shit with me. No, I never did that for that purpose, had you been here for 3 years, you would know I have no desire to get people banned... I actually had respect for Sado.

I didn't use Chun Li's ending as anything, WTF are you on about?

Darko, I'm asking you a simple question: you're asking me where kaz/jin fought before T6 and all I can really say is this=stfu and wait for T7. but that aint an answer is it? so, we go back and look at older intros which goes back to the point i've been trying to drive home in your thick skull since day one: there is NOTHING in the intros of any of those games since T1 that has given us any reason to doubt that those events didn't happen and to doubt their canonity in terms of ability.

why you don't get this is beyond me.

P.S. i remember Sado always had respect for you despite all the disagreements. you guys would argue and have great make up sex 😉

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Darko, I'm asking you a simple question: you're asking me where kaz/jin fought before T6 and all I can really say is this=stfu and wait for T7. but that aint an answer is it? so, we go back and look at older intros which goes back to the point i've been trying to drive home in your thick skull since day one: there is NOTHING in the intros of any of those games since T1 that has given us any reason to doubt that those events didn't happen and to doubt their canonity in terms of ability.

why you don't get this is beyond me.

P.S. i remember Sado always had respect for you despite all the disagreements. you guys would argue and have great make up sex 😉

Alright, you want to be vague and evasive, here: King and Marduk fought During Tekken 5. However, we see from Scenario mode that Jin and Kaz havn't fought since the Honmaru incident.

Right there, in 3 lines I just destroyed your canonicity argument.

and yet, Heihachi's entire T5 was NONCANON during the game...but he was in the game, had a full storymode complete with cutscenes and what not. what does that tell you, nitwit? 😛

thus, Sado's bedroom b!tch, just because something is shown in scenario campaigns and in-game stories doesn't mean that's exactly how things went. that said, this entire argument was about how whatever is shown in game OPENINGS is canonical, not in-game stuff.

and you have been horribly pwned as far as that argument is concerned.

Saw this on the page:

The Intro's always been Canon? Right, because Heihachi's face silluettes those machines that become the Tekken Logo right? GTFO.

A faded animation of Heihachi's face in front of a Tekken logo, something that is obviously not depicting an event, and I am still laughing at how some would refer to Chun Li's never occurred Alpha 3 ending to prove Bison can pull off a certain thing, even when it hurts than helps (since he roflfailed..).

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
and yet, Heihachi's entire T5 was NONCANON during the game...but he was in the game, had a full storymode complete with cutscenes and what not. what does that tell you, nitwit? 😛

That tells me that Heihachi was non canon.... What is your point?

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
thus, Sado's bedroom b!tch, just because something is shown in scenario campaigns and in-game stories doesn't mean that's exactly how things went. that said, this entire argument was about how whatever is shown in game [b]OPENINGS is canonical, not in-game stuff.[/B]

You idiot.... The entire exerise was to show that just because the developers made it, does not mean that it is canon... Please tell me you are not THAT thick and gullible...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
and you have been horribly pwned as far as that argument is concerned.

You are HORRENDOUSLY wrong here. The only thing you have thusfar demonstrated is that you cannot tell the difference bitween artistic lisence and actual canon events/ You are a hypocondriact and hypocrite.

Originally posted by FWahMaN
Saw this on the page:...Wow...

A faded animation of Heihachi's face in front of a Tekken logo, something that is obviously not depicting an event, and I am still laughing at how some would refer to Chun Li's never occurred Alpha 3 ending to prove Bison can pull off a certain thing, even when it hurts than helps (since he roflfailed..).

I'll ask again, when did I use this? Do NOT use other peoples arguments as a staple of my own, I can debate quite fine without the backup you so desperately need for yourself.

That tells me that Heihachi was non canon.... What is your point?

also, they could easily have fought at any other point before T6 given that kazuya himself is the one who put the bounty on his head. why can't they not fight? if King and Marduk could fight (which you seem to accept btw) why is it impossible for Jin and Kazuya to fight eachother, given that that's the central theme of T6, they hate eachother and both of them have been trying to beat eachother since T4.

You are HORRENDOUSLY wrong here. The only thing you have thusfar demonstrated is that you cannot tell the difference bitween artistic lisence and actual canon events/ You are a hypocondriact and hypocrite.

T6 prologues aren't everything, also. They are not all the info needed to confirm what's canon and not. Nowhere in T5 prologues does it confim Raven fighting Heihachi though we know from T6, Raven fighting Heihachi is canon to T5. What someone is arguing is T6BR intro is not canon since it's not referred to in prologues...ok, where in the prologues of T5 confirm Asuka riding on roof buildings and saving a cat? I'm sure that's not canon either. I'm sure Feng kicking Lei in the chin, and Jinpachi lifting the boulder off is also not, because of the "it's not confirmed in prologues" logic. Now since when prologues can confirm canon events but intros cannot really beats me. Saying something like "I see Heihachi's face in front of a Tekken logo!" is dumb. That is obviously not depicting any sort of event, be it canon or uncanon. That's like complaining about his face showing up with the Tekken logo at the end of the T5 intro. Again, that part doesn't depict an event. Much like gameplay appearing on Xiaoyu's phone in the train of T6BR's intro. Event-wise it was obviously not Tekken gameplay but a call or a text message, but logic says Namco put it there to legitimize gameplay in the intro in a showy manner. That part has nothing to do with canon and is the eye candy part. This is no different than logos or writings/flashing text/etc.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
*facepalm*
if an entire character scenario can be shown to be non-canon in the next game why are you so anally fixated on T6 scenario campaign as being exactly what happened? did it occur to you that prior to T6BR, the entire premise of T6 was Jin and Kazuya fighting and Lars wasn't even in the picture?

Right, because events always happen twice in Tekken. My word, the actual idea of new canon overriding old canon never even crosses your mind... Now I see why you are having difficulty understanding the basic principals of the rules of canonicity...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
also, they could easily have fought at any other point before T6 given that kazuya himself is the one who put the bounty on his head. why can't they not fight? if King and Marduk could fight (which you seem to accept btw) why is it impossible for Jin and Kazuya to fight eachother, given that that's the central theme of T6, they hate eachother and both of them have been trying to beat eachother since T4.

You don't seem to understand anything I'm telling you. Unlike the Marduk vs King fight, which was actually corroborated on by later events, Jin fighting Cazuya after the Honmaru event never actually happened anywhere, since Kaz was never anywhere near Jinpachi, and Jin after that point was reorganizing the Zaibatsu, organizing a war. Kaz was busy dealing with the G Corp traitors and reorganizing the G Corp for war against the Zaibatsu. Where would they have had the time to have a fight like that? Remember, Jin was prolonging the war to draw out Azazel, if he had confronted Kazuya directly too early, he was risking not drawing out Azazel, which was his entire goal of starting the war in the first place...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
dude, you tried to argue about the endings and only showed that you don't recall most endings. stop embarrassing yourself 🙁

Given the fact that you miss almost every underlying truth within the story, I would say that you cannot seem to follow basic chain of events, much less anything more subtle.

Originally posted by FWahMaN
T6 prologues aren't everything, also. They are not all the info needed to confirm what's canon and not. Nowhere in T5 prologues does it confim Raven fighting Heihachi though we know from T6, Raven fighting Heihachi is canon to T5. What someone is arguing is T6BR intro is not canon since it's not referred to in prologues...ok, where in the prologues of T5 confirm Asuka riding on roof buildings and saving a cat? I'm sure that's not canon either. I'm sure Feng kicking Lei in the chin, and Jinpachi lifting the boulder off is also not, because of the "it's not confirmed in prologues" logic. Now since when prologues can confirm canon events but intros cannot really beats me. Saying something like "I see Heihachi's face in front of a Tekken logo!" is dumb. That is obviously not depicting any sort of event, be it canon or uncanon. That's like complaining about his face showing up with the Tekken logo at the end of the T5 intro. Again, that part doesn't depict an event. Much like gameplay appearing on Xiaoyu's phone in the train of T6BR's intro. Event-wise it was obviously not Tekken gameplay but a call or a text message, but logic says Namco put it there to legitimize gameplay in the intro in a showy manner. That part has nothing to do with canon and is the eye candy part. This is no different than logos or writings/flashing text/etc.

Do you not read what I say?

Anything that receives corroboration within the story IS canon, and nothing else... What is so difficult to understand about that?