Kazuya vS Akuma · Games 'Versus' Forum

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Originally posted by Hell Lancer
if we're playing this game then there's lots of words i can call you and justify it as what you are too. only difference is, i don't play those games. grow up, bub 😬

You called me fanboy and idiot first, Don't bother replying if you have nothing to go on besides lame bullshit trolling flames.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
my evidence is that all openings since tekken1 have been canonical/have shown feats that are considered canonical. why should T6 be an exception? your proof against this argument is what exactly?

Umm, exept they have not... Have a look a page up and you'll see that about a third of the events you've taken in as canon, have infact never happened within the storyline, thats MY proof, and I need nothing else untiil you've coroborated yours.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
look above.

Take your own advice.

Hell Lancer Restricted

You called me fanboy and idiot first, Don't bother replying if you have nothing to go on besides lame bullshit trolling flames.

you've already shown how atrocious your memory is. if you want i can prove it for you a second time by showing you who started the flames. oh, and i could always use the "dsz logic" (oxymoron) and say i'm calling you an idiot fanboy because you are one. but i won't, cuz i'm cool 😉

as for your proof, post it again. burden of proof's on you. already i had to do all the work and go back 2 pages to find your dumbass Jack/Jane comment.

don't be cruel 🙁

NemeBro Senior Member

Gouki punches Kazuya. The glancing force of the blow tears Kazuya in half.

No Tekken character (Unless this changed in 6, which I doubt) has sunk islands, split mountains, or kicked submarines in half while a thousand meters below the surface of the ocean. Kazuya died when thrown in a volcano. Gouki was fighting Gouken inside one.

So yeah.

FWahMaN Restricted

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gouki punches Kazuya. The glancing force of the blow tears Kazuya in half.

And Kazuya will stand there and take the hit. Why does this sound so similar to Kazuya clean slicing Akuma with a beam in half? Better yet how about not moving to getting disintegrated with sheer force.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No Tekken character (Unless this changed in 6, which I doubt) has sunk islands,

Ryu's Alpha 2 ending proves shit if you've been reading the thread. Saying that's proof Akuma did anything besides place his fist on the ground (which is all the ending tells and/or shows us, as nowhere does the narrator say Akuma caused the island's demolition) is also saying Kazuya could wipe the whole Mishima Zaibatsu compound (actually more as per Kazuya's T4 ending) so much as not even a single trace would be left behind, unlike pieces of the island falling in the sea, something that is clearly evident in Ryu's Alpha 2 ending.

Originally posted by NemeBro
split mountains,

Feng (who has achieved to power upgrade from scrolls, go check T6 prologue to see how he achieved no power upgrade in Tekken 5) in his T6 ending one-shotted a rock that immensely dwarfed him and was not only residing in a volcano, but was launched at him. I'm pretty sure he can bust a mountain. Don't complain we're using endings. People who get wet at the mention of M. Bison's name bring up Chun Li's Alpha 3 ending, which never happened, to prove he can destroy a city even when it's funny that if anything, it only proves he would fail when attempting so. So because now noncanonical endings are accurate portrayals, then yes, Feng can do something similar to busting a mountain. By the way, Kazuya capable of vanishing Zaibatsu and beyond >>> busting a mountain, as confirmed by T4 ending dialogue verbatim (about Zaibatsu compound and more vanishing), deal with it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
or kicked submarines in half while a thousand meters below the surface of the ocean.

As there's hardly any proof that Akuma, or Kazuya, did anything to an island or to an area like the Mishima compound, there is no proof Akuma was "thousands of meters underwater" either. Only fans with erections deny this reality. Some will use logic partially to say Akuma was the cause of so-and-so but when logic doesn't suit them, they appear as you guessed it, fans avoid of intellect.

Discussing logically isn't necessarily the same as proving, however both are fine. However it's painful to see someone say that one thing is logical while another thing isn't, when the other thing has just about the same amount of logic behind it. It's also annoying seeing someone say a thing is factual when it is according to their wishes only.

Logic most likely also says Akuma was deep, sure. Why I've yet to see the submarine feat when it's been brought up for years, I have no idea other than SF arguers prefer complaining than just posting evidence for their claims. I've seen a scan of this feat with Akuma apparently bigger than the submarine itself which is by itself weird, and that's what I could make out of it. Thousands of feet? Depends where he was. In one of the great oceans, sure. Like anyone knows.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kazuya died when thrown in a volcano. Gouki was fighting Gouken inside one.

...I believe Kazuya survived being dropped into one a number of times. Nothing confirms he was killed by a drop. Rather his T4 prologue says he's been killed by Heihachi, then dropped into a volcano. Key word is then.

FWahMaN Restricted

Edit time passed. I meant to add that the only thing that is confirmed that killed him is Heihachi, and nothing about falling. About the submarine scan which I saw in SF vs MK, I would say Akuma was closer to the viewer and that's why he appears larger than the submarine, had his leg not been apparently through it. It being through it can only mean he is the same distance away from the viewer as the submarine, but I probably mispercieved what the image was trying to show. Who can blame who, it's an SNES-quality game at best.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by FWahMaN
And Kazuya will stand there and take the hit. Why does this sound so similar to Kazuya clean slicing Akuma with a beam in half? Better yet how about not moving to getting disintegrated with sheer force.
Ryu's Alpha 2 ending proves shit if you've been reading the thread. Saying that's proof Akuma did anything besides place his fist on the ground (which is all the ending tells and/or shows us, as nowhere does the narrator say Akuma caused the island's demolition) is also saying Kazuya could wipe the whole Mishima Zaibatsu compound (actually more as per Kazuya's T4 ending) so much as not even a single trace would be left behind, unlike pieces of the island falling in the sea, something that is clearly evident in Ryu's Alpha 2 ending.
Feng (who has achieved to power upgrade from scrolls, go check T6 prologue to see how he achieved no power upgrade in Tekken 5) in his T6 ending one-shotted a rock that immensely dwarfed him and was not only residing in a volcano, but was launched at him. I'm pretty sure he can bust a mountain. Don't complain we're using endings. People who get wet at the mention of M. Bison's name bring up Chun Li's Alpha 3 ending, which never happened, to prove he can destroy a city even when it's funny that if anything, it only proves he would fail when attempting so. So because now noncanonical endings are accurate portrayals, then yes, Feng can do something similar to busting a mountain. By the way, Kazuya capable of vanishing Zaibatsu and beyond >>> busting a mountain, as confirmed by T4 ending dialogue verbatim (about Zaibatsu compound and more vanishing), deal with it.
As there's hardly any proof that Akuma, or Kazuya, did anything to an island or to an area like the Mishima compound, there is no proof Akuma was "thousands of meters underwater" either. Only fans with erections deny this reality. Some will use logic partially to say Akuma was the cause of so-and-so but when logic doesn't suit them, they appear as you guessed it, fans avoid of intellect.
Discussing logically isn't necessarily the same as proving, however both are fine. However it's painful to see someone say that one thing is logical while another thing isn't, when the other thing has just about the same amount of logic behind it. It's also annoying seeing someone say a thing is factual when it is according to their wishes only.
Logic most likely also says Akuma was deep, sure. Why I've yet to see the submarine feat when it's been brought up for years, I have no idea other than SF arguers prefer complaining than just posting evidence for their claims. I've seen a scan of this feat with Akuma apparently bigger than the submarine itself which is by itself weird, and that's what I could make out of it. Thousands of feet? Depends where he was. In one of the great oceans, sure. Like anyone knows.
...I believe Kazuya survived being dropped into one a number of times. Nothing confirms he was killed by a drop. Rather his T4 prologue says he's been killed by Heihachi, then dropped into a volcano. Key word is then.

1. Kazuya hasn't proven to be able to react to supersonic speeds. Something which even Abel has shown to do, in a fight with Guile where he blocked his Sonic Boom. Gouki was durable enough to fight inside of a volcanon without being injured by the heat, and fought and took hits from Gouken, who is around his level.

2. So your argument is that Gouki placed his fist upon the ground, and the island just happened to submerge itself afterwards? This notion does not even dignify a response. Ah, the good ol' Kazuya took the Mishima Zaibatsu out of existence argument. We never see what actually happens, so not a viable showing.

3. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.

YouTube video

That boulder is like 40 feet in diameter, if that. Nowhere near the size of the island Gouki destroyed, or the mountain he split. To even suggest Feng could destroy a mountain based on such laughable evidence is heresy in the eyes of God. Why would I complain we are using endings? Other than instances where a powerup is received they are viable to be used as evidence. That was not even similar to busting a city block, let alone a mountain. Gouki split Ayers rock into four pieces I believe it was, Feng Wei destroyed what is equivelant to the golden globe at universal studios. "Vanishing Zaibatsu?" And how did Kazuya do that? With his super duper reality warping paunch!? One is hyperbole, we actually see the other one.

4. Except we know Gouki punched the ground, and then the island was submerged. It may not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened, but apparently it takes more than you. Appeared in SF Guide, but the 1,000m thing doesn't really matter, so I don't care enough to prove it.

5. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW go get me a whiney burger and some french cries.

6. Was actually wrong, it was actually a sunken ship, the submarine was destroyed when Gouki kicked it in half. You want to see the feat? Kay.

YouTube video

He kicked the ship in half, and the submarine was destroyed or damaged along with it, while kicking it in half, he brought it to the surface with him.

So yeah.

7. Vid please.

NemeBro Senior Member

Oh also.

Hey hey Streetfighter, keep fighting make the future brighter biatch.

Hell Lancer Restricted

1. Kazuya hasn't proven to be able to react to supersonic speeds. Something which even Abel has shown to do, in a fight with Guile where he blocked his Sonic Boom. Gouki was durable enough to fight inside of a volcanon without being injured by the heat, and fought and took hits from Gouken, who is around his level.

the sonicboom doesn't travel faster than sound, the only thing we know is that in order to create it, guile has to move his fists really fast. look at the trailer and you see that its not even that fast once it leaves Guile's fists. stop being a moron 😬

2. So your argument is that Gouki placed his fist upon the ground, and the island just happened to submerge itself afterwards? This notion does not even dignify a response. Ah, the good ol' Kazuya took the Mishima Zaibatsu out of existence argument. We never see what actually happens, so not a viable showing.

the size of the island is unknown, we're also pretty sure he didn't "sink" it. no one's denying its a helluva feat though. we're just saying its being needlessly exaggerated into meaning things its not.
as for Zaibatsu, we already know that DevilJin pwned the entire forest into a barren wasteland. what makes you think that a complete Devil with all his powers cannot wipe out Zaibatsu? of course the ending is noncanon BUT it negates absolutely nothing about the uberness that is Devilgene...besides, we've already been shown what the Devil Gene (at a portion of its power) can do in the next frikkin game.
again: fail

[quote]3. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.[/qoute]
its bigger than anything ryu's every held, shattered or even stop up to...and yet ryu could match gouki.

why is DEVIL kazuya being written off. either admit that ryu is nothing but PIS-made-flesh or admit that others can do better against him that ryu can (because, you know, they actually have feats). you can't have it both ways....although i'm sure its not the first time you've heard that 😛

i have no problem against the submarine feat. that was impressive shite.

FWahMaN Restricted

I had this typed up 2 days ago but the computer froze and I wasn't able to retrieve the post. Since I had more time on it it should be better.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Kazuya hasn't proven to be able to react to supersonic speeds. Something which even Abel has shown to do, in a fight with Guile where he blocked his Sonic Boom.

Sweet. Not sure what this has to do with the match.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gouki was durable enough to fight inside of a volcanon without being injured by the heat, and fought and took hits from Gouken, who is around his level.

No proof Kazuya was hurt by heat inside of a volcano. His durability however testifies to the fact his body wasn't affected by heat since he's been taken out of one in one piece. In case I see mentionings of scars, environmental heat does not cause scars (and when we say inside a volcano we obviously mean fighting with nearby magma, not inside magma). Falls or blows do, and the scars have been there since childhood. Childhood durability does not have to be = current durability. Not arguing what is current either.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. So your argument is that Gouki placed his fist upon the ground, and the island just happened to submerge itself afterwards? This notion does not even dignify a response.

My argument is people (fans) don't know squat as to what happened and only conjecture based on a shit-quality scan of the island still in one piece with Akuma's hand on it. Nowhere does the ending show an animation of a sort of the island sinking, breaking apart it two pieces, a million pieces, etc. No one can make a rough estimate of the destruction level caused by Akuma or that he was the full cause of the island's disappearance from where it was, as we do not see what happens to the island. This is 0% different than we not seeing what happens to the Mishima Zaibatsu compound in Kazuya's T4 ending, no matter how loud someone screams/whines about it. I'll give them that Ryu's Alpha 2 ending does give more confirmation however, because of one ultra-low res scan of Akuma punching the ground. This still isn't evidence of details we read from fans like "ACOOMA SHIFTID TEKTONIC PLAITS!@!!", to name an example.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah, the good ol' Kazuya took the Mishima Zaibatsu out of existence argument. We never see what actually happens, so not a viable showing.

Neither do SF fans see what happens to the island except in their wet dreams.

Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
YouTube video
That boulder is like 40 feet in diameter, if that. Nowhere near the size of the island Gouki destroyed, or the mountain he split.

Not only do you or anyone else for that matter knows the size of the island (since the only picture of it shown has nothing of known size to compare it to) but I never said Feng can replicate Akuma's Ayer's(sp?) rock feat. Maybe he can if Feng's T5 ending is a valid display, but I doubt it since it's based on a fake power on a non-existing scroll.

Originally posted by NemeBro
To even suggest Feng could destroy a mountain based on such laughable evidence is heresy in the eyes of God.

Of course, since a mountain must be at least as big as Ayer's rock.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why would I complain we are using endings? Other than instances where a powerup is received they are viable to be used as evidence.

Pages have been spent where one SF supporter was arguing Kazuya cannot break building glass because the events in the intro showing it were not confirmed in prologues to be canon (as if they need to have been to be canon) so go talk to him if you'd like. It should be obvious who he is if you read a little back.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That was not even similar to busting a city block, let alone a mountain.

I'm sorry, I meant a mountain must at least be as big as a city block.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gouki split Ayers rock into four pieces I believe it was, Feng Wei destroyed what is equivelant to the golden globe at universal studios.

I doubt you calculated roughly the diamater of the object based on what was shown of it when it came in contact with Feng Wei and the size of Feng Wei to make a guess, but I believe it residing in magma speaks a lot of its durabililty and the fact Feng shut off the flames upon impact speaks another thing. If you're comparing this to hitting a rock anyone would find of the same size, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vanishing Zaibatsu?" And how did Kazuya do that? With his super duper reality warping paunch!?

You are apparently ignorant of the devils' ability to release less concentrated energy (so this would not be beams) which would cause something like the fair eradication of a forest (Devil Jin). To wipe out an area like the Mishima Zaibatsu would require the same method, because only two ways the devils can cause destruction are known; the other method is clean-slicing (T6 trailer with Devil Jin, Hwoarang and Lili) and that would probably take years to erase the area piece by piece. The ending said it vanished within the day; only the other method could've been used for this reason alone.

Originally posted by NemeBro
One is hyperbole, we actually see the other one.

Yes, Akuma's hand on the ground. Woah.

Originally posted by NemeBro
4. Except we know Gouki punched the ground, and then the island was submerged.

That's like saying we see my foot on one of the twin towers in DC. Next image on the slide displays the tower with an already-occurred explosion (meaning we don't see anything about a plane). This then means by placing my foot on the base of the building, a detonation occurred many stories up. Damn my powers are nice. 😆

Originally posted by NemeBro
It may not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened, but apparently it takes more than you.

Oh how I laugh at the lack of intellect displayed from one who thinks a full-powered Devil, who was the only being at the time and relevant place capable of achieving the feat, wasn't the one who did it and/or the Zaibatsu and the area around it vanished by itself 😆. Devil Jin? drained by Kazuya. Jinpachi? Unresurrected. Azazel? Sealed. Who else I wonder, especially since Kazuya is the only one with the goal of crushing Mishima Zaibatsu.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Appeared in SF Guide, but the 1,000m thing doesn't really matter, so I don't care enough to prove it.

Chances are there is none, kind of like lack of specifics as to what happened to the island (which is the reason we hear Akuma sunk, destroyed, and/or shifted the Earth's plates). There are actually less visual specifics with the Zaibatsu, but we are told in detail that it vanished without a trace of it left behind.

Originally posted by NemeBro
5. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW go get me a whiney burger and some french cries.

What I said was very true. 😉

Originally posted by NemeBro
Was actually wrong, it was actually a sunken ship, the submarine was destroyed when Gouki kicked it in half. You want to see the feat? Kay.
YouTube video

This is probably the only time or second time this has been shown for evidence for this. Looks like a major ocean as well.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He kicked the ship in half, and the submarine was destroyed or damaged along with it, while kicking it in half, he brought it to the surface with him.
So yeah.

The radio cutting off does not imply the submarine was destroyed. It's a logical guess though.

Originally posted by NemeBro
7. Vid please.

Actually, it saying he was killed by Heihahi doesn't prove he wasn't killed by the fall, I think, because Heihachi was the one who dropped him. In other words, this doesn't prove your claim nor does it mine.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
as for Zaibatsu, we already know that DevilJin pwned the entire forest into a barren wasteland. what makes you think that a complete Devil with all his powers cannot wipe out Zaibatsu? of course the ending is noncanon BUT it negates absolutely nothing about the uberness that is Devilgene...

The non-canon ending is displaying a very canon power. It is Devil with his old powers, meaning both halves. Not saying you didn't know though.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
besides, we've already been shown what the Devil Gene (at a portion of its power) can do in the next frikkin game.
again: fail

No indication the devil gene was used to cause the damage, meaning there are no signs of devil on either Jin or Kazuya besides a tattoo that is always where it is and a permanent red eye on the other person.

its bigger than anything ryu's every held, shattered or even stop up to...and yet ryu could match gouki.
why is DEVIL kazuya being written off. either admit that ryu is nothing but PIS-made-flesh or admit that others can do better against him that ryu can (because, you know, they actually have feats). you can't have it both ways....although i'm sure its not the first time you've heard that 😛
i have no problem against the submarine feat. that was impressive shite. [/B]

He wasn't even talking about Ryu.

FWahMaN Restricted

About the Third Stike feat, two things that were mentioned that the video doesn't confirm. One is as said already there's nothing there about the submarine getting destroyed. Giving the benefit of the doubt the speaker who yelped was from the submarine and not the bald guy on the surface, that could've been him surprised of what he was seeing or the submarine shook a bit. Quite vague to say the least. The other thing is Akuma kicking the ship to the surface. Since we do not see what happens below the surface besides him descending, all we can say is he brought the ship to the surface and broke it with one of his attacks. It clearly shows the ship starting to dissemble upon reaching the surface. Had it been broken in four parts 1000m or so deep with the parts spacing away from each other as fast as we see in the ending, they would be much farther from each other by the time they reach the surface, so why is it starting to fly apart when it's near the surface? I don't know, iz just SF.

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Does he need to destroy the sub as well as the ship, to win this fight? Lol, standin' in the ocean depths and kickin' a sunken battle ship to the surface is beyond any Tekken character.

Or splittin' Ayers Rock or destroyin' Goukentou or fighting in a volcano...

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Also

Gokuentou is the island Akuma destroyed and the island are those 2 little dots below Japan. 'Bout the size of a regular island.

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yes, because that's world map there is such an accurate depiction.

FWahMaN Restricted

Wait, what world map?

Also I should've said this before, though I'm pretty much laughing at the use of endings for Akuma (Third Strike, Second Impact etc.) when we've yet to see proof of their canonicity, yet, someone had the nerve to argue that of T6BR's opening movie. 😆 The hilarity.

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Originally posted by Hell Lancer
yes, because that's world map there is such an accurate depiction.

It is for SF...

Originally posted by FWahMaN
Wait, what world map?
Also I should've said this before, though I'm pretty much laughing at the use of endings for Akuma (Third Strike, Second Impact etc.) when we've yet to see proof of their canonicity, yet, someone had the nerve to argue that of T6BR's opening movie. 😆 The hilarity.

Second Impact's endin is canon cuz he has the move in 3rd Strike and 3rd Strike's endin' is canon cuz he has the the move in Super SFIV, albeit a toned down version.

Classic NES Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Based on what I know, Akuma has greater feats.

That depends on which interpretation of the characters we are using.

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Originally posted by FWahMaN
Wait, what world map?
Also I should've said this before, though I'm pretty much laughing at the use of endings for Akuma (Third Strike, Second Impact etc.) when we've yet to see proof of their canonicity, yet, someone had the nerve to argue that of T6BR's opening movie. 😆 The hilarity.

I argued the validity of the images because they do NOT hold sway in the chain of events, IE: they never happened, this is something you two seem to have trouble understanding for some reason....